Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-24 Thread brian m. carlson
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 02:16:05AM +0100, Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: Considering that modern machines can boot from network or USB stick, some machine classes lack optical drives (small laptops, many non ia32/amd64/ppc machines), DVD readers are uncommon outside the ia32/amd64/ppc world,

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Steve, Am 2008-03-16 23:59:52, schrieb Steve McIntyre: 1. Is it worth making full sets of CDs at all? Can we rely on people having a net connection or being able to use DVDs if they want *everything*? CD's are maybe not usefull in this size... Maybe only the first 8. 2. Is

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-22 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
On 2008-03-16 23:59:52 (+), Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Please note Reply-To: to debian-cd... ] Hi folks, It's time for me to ask the question again - what CDs and DVDs will we find useful enough that we should make them for lenny? The reason I'm asking is that we're

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-19 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Wednesday 19 March 2008, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Anthony Towns dijo [Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 03:39:05PM +1000]: (...) and the real question is where you say if you really want the 23rd CD for mipsel, you're probably smart/dedicated enough to use jigdo. I completely agree with this. I don't

BitTorrent and ISP interference (was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?)

2008-03-19 Thread Ben Finney
Gunnar Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) dijo [Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 09:28:03AM +0100]: er, you do realise torrent is used for way more then that right? I do know, and I do think the idea is a darn good one. Several ISPs, however, only see you are sharing via P2P -

Re: BitTorrent and ISP interference (was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?)

2008-03-19 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 07:51 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: That is a problem that won't be solved by avoiding use of BitTorrent; on the contrary, reducing legitimate use of BitTorrent can only result in supporting those who would paint BitTorrent as a tool without significant legitimate use.

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:13:05PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 03:14:51AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: If someone were to write a general library that did this, it would be trivial to wrap a apache handler around it that fed out iso images for the less popular

Re: Blueray software, was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/17/08 23:38, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:16:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/17/08 04:47, Philip Charles wrote: [snip] worrying about. Even then bluray disc(s) will take up about the same space as a CD set.

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: I guess there's an inequality like: images on mirrors = images on torrents = images via jigdo Is there any way we can construct the torrent image on the fly from the jigdo file? [That is, transform the packages that make up bits x-y into what

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 02:21:45AM -0700, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: I guess there's an inequality like: images on mirrors = images on torrents = images via jigdo Is there any way we can construct the torrent image on the fly

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: I guess there's an inequality like: images on mirrors = images on torrents = images via jigdo Is there any way we can construct the torrent image on the fly from the jigdo file? [That is, transform

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Mike Hommey wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 02:21:45AM -0700, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: I guess there's an inequality like: images on mirrors = images on torrents = images via jigdo Is there any way we

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:32:29AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: I guess there's an inequality like: images on mirrors = images on torrents = images via jigdo Is there any way we can construct the

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Richard Atterer
[Followups set to debian-cd] On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:32:29AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: It would also be useful for me who runs the main cd torrent seeder in that I could just have an up-to-date debian archive and snapshot (minor rsync update), instead of syncing 300+ gigs of data

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Richard Atterer wrote: [Followups set to debian-cd] On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:32:29AM +0100, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: It would also be useful for me who runs the main cd torrent seeder in that I could just have an up-to-date debian archive and snapshot (minor rsync

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Owen Townend
On 18/03/2008, Mattias Wadenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: I guess there's an inequality like: images on mirrors = images on torrents = images via jigdo Is there any way we can construct the

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-18 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 02:21:45AM -0700, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: I guess there's an inequality like: images on mirrors = images on torrents = images via jigdo Is there any way we can construct the torrent image on

Blueray software, was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:59:52PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: 2 small CDs per arch (business card, netinst) ~30 CDs per arch for a full CD set ~4 DVDs per arch for a full DVD set (total 353 CDs, 51 DVDs, 426 GB) Bluray image? Apparently there's

Re: Blueray software, was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Philip Charles
On Monday 17 March 2008, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 09:29:12AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:59:52PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: 2 small CDs per arch (business card, netinst) ~30

Re: Blueray software, was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 09:29:12AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:59:52PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: 2 small CDs per arch (business card, netinst) ~30 CDs per arch for a full CD set ~4 DVDs per

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Riku Voipio
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:59:52PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: 3. For some arches, should we just provide the first couple of CDs and a full set of DVDs? This is a bit of a compromise option - if a given machine will not boot from DVD, but can boot from CD and get the rest of its

Re: Blueray software, was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/17/08 04:47, Philip Charles wrote: [snip] worrying about. Even then bluray disc(s) will take up about the same space as a CD set. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Working with women is a pain in the a**. My wife -BEGIN PGP

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ /me sets the Reply-To: to debian-cd again... ] AJ wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:59:52PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: 2 small CDs per arch (business card, netinst) ~30 CDs per arch for a full CD set ~4 DVDs per arch for a full DVD set (total 353 CDs, 51 DVDs, 426 GB) Bluray image?

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi All, Steve McIntyre wrote: Is it possible to create a jigdo image without creating the full ISO? ie, to go from a list of files you want on the ISO straight to a jigdo template without the intervening step of actually copying all the files around? Oh, absolutely. That's one of the biggest

Re: Blueray software, was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:16:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/17/08 04:47, Philip Charles wrote: [snip] worrying about. Even then bluray disc(s) will take up about the same space as a CD set. 21GB on CD is 21GB on Bluray. Physical space isn't an issue for us. Cheers, aj --

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 01:39:40PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: [ /me sets the Reply-To: to debian-cd again... ] But not Mail-Followup-To:... At a bare minimum: - installer - downloadable (business card) - installer+base - downloadable (netinst) - CD - disk 1

What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-16 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ Please note Reply-To: to debian-cd... ] Hi folks, It's time for me to ask the question again - what CDs and DVDs will we find useful enough that we should make them for lenny? The reason I'm asking is that we're looking at a *huge* number of discs, and it's not clear that they'll all be

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-16 Thread Paul Cager
Steve McIntyre wrote: [ Please note Reply-To: to debian-cd... ] Hi folks, It's time for me to ask the question again - what CDs and DVDs will we find useful enough that we should make them for lenny? [...] 1. Is it worth making full sets of CDs at all? Can we rely on people having a net

Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:59:52PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: 2 small CDs per arch (business card, netinst) ~30 CDs per arch for a full CD set ~4 DVDs per arch for a full DVD set (total 353 CDs, 51 DVDs, 426 GB) Bluray image? Apparently there's been a winner in the format wars, and we