Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-07 Thread Steve Greenland
On 06-Aug-05, 17:42 (CDT), Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, what exactly is the problem kernel-image-x.y.z providing a kernel image for *bsd or hurd or whatever on the matching platform? Bug reports. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-07 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 10:59:51AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 06-Aug-05, 17:42 (CDT), Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, what exactly is the problem kernel-image-x.y.z providing a kernel image for *bsd or hurd or whatever on the matching platform? Bug

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-06 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 06:48:49PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 03 August 2005 18:15, Steve Greenland wrote: Thanks for the pointer, Adam, and a giant Feh! to the genius who came up with that idea. Did you even think of asking for the rationale behind the name change? No

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 04, Paul Brossier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would also like to understand. 2.6.12 being available doesn't help. The package remains un-upgradable from sarge or etch. Sarge or etch do not have newer versions of udev to upgrade to. As Manoj and Blars said, solutions would be to have

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Thomas Hood
Steve Greenland wrote: I know what the rationale is: to avoid offending the *BSD and Hurd users, because, ya know, they have kernels too. And if we were starting from scratch, I'd be all for it. But at this point, it's just a stupid annoying change that makes it hard for people to find

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Steve Greenland
On 04-Aug-05, 05:09 (CDT), Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Greenland wrote: I know what the rationale is: to avoid offending the *BSD and Hurd users, because, ya know, they have kernels too. And if we were starting from scratch, I'd be all for it. But at this point, it's just a

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Paul Brossier
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 11:34:16AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 04, Paul Brossier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would also like to understand. 2.6.12 being available doesn't help. The package remains un-upgradable from sarge or etch. Sarge or etch do not have newer versions of udev to

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 04-Aug-05, 05:09 (CDT), Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Greenland wrote: I know what the rationale is: to avoid offending the *BSD and Hurd users, because, ya know, they have kernels too. And if we were starting from scratch, I'd be

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Goswin von Brederlow may or may not have written... [snip] I would have suggested using kernel-hurt-image ^ Ouch. ;-) -- | Darren Salt | linux (or ds) at | nr. Ashington, | sarge,| youmustbejoking | Northumberland | RISC OS | demon co uk |

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I demand that Goswin von Brederlow may or may not have written... [snip] I would have suggested using kernel-hurt-image ^ Ouch. ;-) Pun intended. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Brian May
Goswin == Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One can't even claim that using 'kernel-image*' will confuse the users of the *BSD or Hurd ports, because those packages simply won't be in their Package files, will they? There may be good reasons to install Linux even if

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin == Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One can't even claim that using 'kernel-image*' will confuse the users of the *BSD or Hurd ports, because those packages simply won't be in their Package files, will they? There may

What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
In short: The udev from sid breaks ugrade process because it doesn't support kernels 2.6.12. There is no kernel 2.6.12 packages in the distro, yet. As far as the more packages depends on newer udev (i.e. alsa-base, usbmount) I have to hold on more and more packages. See Bug#317332. It seems

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Adam Mercer
On 03/08/05, Piotr Roszatycki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short: The udev from sid breaks ugrade process because it doesn't support kernels 2.6.12. There is no kernel 2.6.12 packages in the distro, yet. As far as the more packages depends on newer udev (i.e. alsa-base, usbmount) I have to

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 03-Aug-05, 04:11 (CDT), Adam Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it has been renamed from kernel-image to linux-image Oh, sweet Jesus. Thanks for the pointer, Adam, and a giant Feh! to the genius who came up with that idea. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 18:15, Steve Greenland wrote: Thanks for the pointer, Adam, and a giant Feh! to the genius who came up with that idea. Did you even think of asking for the rationale behind the name change? Hint: check the archives of the kernel mailing list. Cheers, FJP

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 8/3/05, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 03 August 2005 18:15, Steve Greenland wrote: Thanks for the pointer, Adam, and a giant Feh! to the genius who came up with that idea. Did you even think of asking for the rationale behind the name change? Hint: check the

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 18:48 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 03 August 2005 18:15, Steve Greenland wrote: Thanks for the pointer, Adam, and a giant Feh! to the genius who came up with that idea. Did you even think of asking for the rationale behind the name change? Hint: check the

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 19:04, Ben Armstrong wrote: ... which, for the lazy and/or impatient starts here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/07/msg00192.html To be honest, I was thinking more of: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/05/msg00403.html pgpwqNMtXaRDY.pgp

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 14:02 -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: Closing, it isn't a bash against the kernel team. It isn't my point, my problem is with this didn't you know, read X stupid! approach. I don't think pointing at the mailing list was an unreasonable reaction to the genius comment, which

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 19:16 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 03 August 2005 19:04, Ben Armstrong wrote: ... which, for the lazy and/or impatient starts here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/07/msg00192.html To be honest, I was thinking more of:

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 19:02, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 8/3/05, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 03 August 2005 18:15, Steve Greenland wrote: Thanks for the pointer, Adam, and a giant Feh! to the genius who came up with that idea. Did you even think of asking for

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 8/3/05, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Closing, it isn't a bash against the kernel team. It isn't my point, my problem is with this didn't you know, read X stupid! approach. Just reply or let anyone else help the developer or user asking us. Didn't he asked the rationale

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Andres Salomon
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:18:01 -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 14:02 -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: Closing, it isn't a bash against the kernel team. It isn't my point, my problem is with this didn't you know, read X stupid! approach. I don't think pointing at the mailing list

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 03 August 2005 18:15, Steve Greenland wrote: Thanks for the pointer, Adam, and a giant Feh! to the genius who came up with that idea. Did you even think of asking for the rationale behind the name change? Hint:

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 03-Aug-05, 11:48 (CDT), Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 03 August 2005 18:15, Steve Greenland wrote: Thanks for the pointer, Adam, and a giant Feh! to the genius who came up with that idea. Did you even think of asking for the rationale behind the name change? I know

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-03 Thread Paul Brossier
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 10:51:19AM +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: In short: The udev from sid breaks ugrade process because it doesn't support kernels 2.6.12. There is no kernel 2.6.12 packages in the distro, yet. As far as the more packages depends on newer udev (i.e. alsa-base,