Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 05/21/2017 09:17 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:45:46PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: >> >> On 05/15/2017 02:02 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: On 15 May 2017 at 13:30, Paul Wise

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:45:46PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > > > On 05/15/2017 02:02 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: > >> On 15 May 2017 at 13:30, Paul Wise wrote: > >>> TBH if I was confronted with the

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Hello Paul, On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 01:25:06PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > I, frankly, don't even pretend to care what our developer community > thinks of the site -- the site isn't just for you. I agree that it would be great to have data from usability testing of our site. I disagree

Re: LXDE web page bashing thread Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

The website is on GitHub so anyone can suggest things by throwing me issues or PRs at https://github.com/lxde/lxde.org The hamburger menu requiring JavaScript is something that I don't have good alternative with right now. Also, welcome back, Martin :) Yao Wei On Fri, 19 May 2017 at 21:18

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

[loads of bikeshedding and grandstanding] So this thread is a shitshow. Has anyone thought about taking the website (or really, anything we put out), going and talking with **our users** and see what they have to say? What they think of the site? Record them finding and creating an install

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Hi there, please remember: it is not the design, that makes a website interesting, but the content! So maybe we should first discuss, and maybe confirm, what might people interest on the debian site. I suggest just to collect ideas, and make a ranking (i.e. freedom was named 1563 times,

LXDE web page bashing thread Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2017-05-19 15:00, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > Well Debian on its page doesn't mention it is Linux based > or has Linux kernel or at all word Linux. We have Linux, HURD and the FreeBSD kernel, though. I suspect the thought was

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 05/18/2017 12:32 PM, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello Zlatan, > [...] > > The community consensus seems to be that we want to promote ourselves, > but we care more about providing quality information than do the people > who designed sites like lxde.org (sorry to keep using that example). > This

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

One local team of BSP Debian paris ask me to propose a new webiste. i did :) If it fit to any use you need, i'm happy, if not, i'm happy to help in fit it better :) Elisa 2017-05-18 16:54 GMT+02:00 Sean Whitton : > Hello Elisa, > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 03:14:49PM

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Hello Elisa, On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 03:14:49PM +0200, Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra wrote: > To finish this website we need : > - the text to present stretch to news user to debian (who do ?) Are you suggesting this as a "Get Stretch" website, similar to ? This thread has been about replacing

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Thanks, To finish this website we need : - the text to present stretch to news user to debian (who do ?) - more ilustration to be more firendly and attractive (i can do) - official publication after official approval from community :) - a available deadline to help in organization ^^' 2017-05-18

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 02:37:33PM +0200, Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra wrote: > I participate to the BSP debian meeting in paris last week end. > I propose a little webpage. > https://gitlab.com/yemanjalisa/debianstretchwebsite > > I would love finish this work to fit for your need. > I dit it

When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Hi, My name is elisa, Sorry for my english... I participate to the BSP debian meeting in paris last week end. I propose a little webpage. https://gitlab.com/yemanjalisa/debianstretchwebsite I would love finish this work to fit for your need. I dit it very quickly on last sunday in collaboration

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Hello Zlatan, On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 02:58:14AM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > Improving things doesn't mean destroying identity. We add and remove > archs, we added graphical installer, we don't configure graphics > manually anymore - did we loose identity? Social Contract and DFSG > ensure our

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:13:38AM +0100, Wookey wrote: > I will observe that the debian wiki is a lot more up-to-date than the > website because it is much easier to update (much as I admire wml as > a tool/language). A relevant read is

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:49:26AM +0200, Steffen Möller wrote: > We should vividly demonstrate on our home page that we are just that - > alive and developing. If we could have users contribute success stories > like "I switched my Granny from Windows to Debian and she likes it" or > "We

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

But responsive design does not only matters for mobile, it also matters on bigger screen, like high resolution or hi dpi screen, which is what Debian lack of. Like what I said the website is bizarre on a bigger screen. You can try reading the website with the window maximized on 1920x1080 screen.

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Simon McVittie writes ("Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)"): > On Wed, 17 May 2017 at 13:33:06 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > * Websites which reorganise themselves through CSS and/or JavScript > >to try to

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Wed, 17 May 2017 at 13:33:06 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > * Websites which reorganise themselves through CSS and/or JavScript >to try to produce a better selection of visibloe bits depending on >the screen size. > >I find these mildly annoying, but I don't use a smartphone and >

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Steffen Möller writes ("Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)"): > And there is a confusion over "dynamic web sites" (maybe problematic) > with "non-static content" (must have). I don't know what these terms mean.

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 16/05/2017 07:07, Mechtilde wrote: > these two questions come into my mind: > > What does a "newcomer" expect from > such a website? > what do we expect from a newcomer? > > To go from user to dev is a gliding way. > > "Want To Become Debian Developer" is the last step for a dev not

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Arturo Borrero Gonzalez dijo [Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200]: > Hi Paul, > > I believe that what we are actually looking for is a bit of > improvement in the marketing side. > Modern and fancy things. > > The LXDE example is good on that. Is a good example on how to craft content-void

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 2017-05-15 13:42 +0200, Hans wrote: > Maybe other things, that people do not know yet, which show the power of > debian, should be mentioned (I think of biggest community, best documentation, 'Best documentation' is a strong claim that I don't think many would agree with :-) Debian is many

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 05/16/2017 04:56 AM, lumin wrote: >> I'll take any day a sort animations that explains things rather then >> going through forest of information to figure out what is it, but I >> guess these all are personal opinions. > A tiny bit of animations should be enough for our homepage. The style >

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

2017-05-15 13:12 GMT+03:00 lumin : > Especially look at the homepage of Gentoo It's ugly, seriously.

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, 15 May 2017, Adrian Bunk wrote: > The contents of the Gentoo homepage is similar to what Debian has but > presented with a different CSS - something like that would be a good > improvement. I took a look at the Gentoo website and there's more than just better CSS. I find it much better

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Le 16/05/2017 03:47, Nicholas D Steeves a écrit : On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 02:17:40AM +0200, Stéphane Aulery wrote: Yes, Debian is a community like another, and a community is build with shared principles. Design isn't principle, it is just a shameful exploitation of the idea of beauty, serving

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Hello, Am 15.05.2017 um 21:45 schrieb Zlatan Todoric: > > > On 05/15/2017 02:02 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: >>> On 15 May 2017 at 13:30, Paul Wise wrote: TBH if I was confronted with the new LXDE

Re: Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

> I'll take any day a sort animations that explains things rather then > going through forest of information to figure out what is it, but I > guess these all are personal opinions. A tiny bit of animations should be enough for our homepage. The style of lxde.org does not fit Debian's style and I

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Let's begin with a sin of big screen users. Say, I am using 2560x1440 display, and the website is painful to view. Adding a max-width to the container can help. Secondly, I think the fonts can be larger and be less crowded (by increasing line-height). I think there are much more we can do even

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On May 15 2017, Adam Borowski wrote: >> https://www.debian.org/ > > Not that different from Gentoo's. What's the problem you're seeing? I think this is one of the those situations where if you don't see it yourself right away, you'll just have to take other people's word

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 02:17:40AM +0200, Stéphane Aulery wrote: > > Yes, Debian is a community like another, and a community is build > with shared principles. Design isn't principle, it is just a shameful > exploitation of the idea of beauty, serving a precise purpose which > is not a shared

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Hi, On 05/16/2017 01:48 AM, Sean Whitton wrote: > > More generally, while I agree that we should be flexible in the pursuit > of new contributors and users, we mustn't lose our identity in that > process. Improving things doesn't mean destroying identity. We add and remove archs, we added

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Le 16/05/2017 02:27, Ben Hutchings a écrit : On Tue, 2017-05-16 at 02:17 +0200, Stéphane Aulery wrote: [...] Yes, Debian is a community like another, and a community is build with shared principles. Design isn't principle, it is just a shameful exploitation of the idea of beauty, serving a

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Tue, 2017-05-16 at 02:17 +0200, Stéphane Aulery wrote: [...] > Yes, Debian is a community like another, and a community is build > with shared principles. Design isn't principle, it is just a shameful > exploitation of the idea of beauty, serving a precise purpose which > is not a shared

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Le 16/05/2017 01:48, Sean Whitton a écrit : Hello Zlatan, On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:45:46PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: Then lets forget about getting newcomers (fresh blood) to Debian as you're so close minded to modern/new things - the same way they probably close the window when they

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Hello Zlatan, On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:45:46PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > Then lets forget about getting newcomers (fresh blood) to Debian as > you're so close minded to modern/new things - the same way they probably > close the window when they see '90 style with a lot of text that >

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 2017-05-15.15:02, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > http://lxde.org/ seems to be the site in question. I agree with Paul, > I don't like it, and when I encounter pages in that style, I tend to > close the window. > > * It's not nearly information-dense enough. www.debian.org is too > dense, but the

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 05/15/2017 08:01 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:12:26AM +, lumin wrote: >> On Mon, 2017-05-15 at 11:19 +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: >>> Our users are really complaining about our look in the web and we >>> should address it. >> I'm looking forward to a new

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 05/15/2017 03:01 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:39:25PM +, Medical Wei wrote: >> As for concerns of not informative, i think the informative part should be >> placed in the wiki and/or have few recent articles in display. The home >> page should be able to attract

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 05/15/2017 02:02 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: >> On 15 May 2017 at 13:30, Paul Wise wrote: >>> TBH if I was confronted with the new LXDE web design with CSS turned >>> on, I would probably just close the

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 05/15/2017 01:42 PM, Hans wrote: > Hi there, > > just a suggestion/idea. IMO it might be a good idea and advertisement to > debian, if people could see on the website, that debian is one of the most > used linuces in the world. It should also be strong pointed to, that debian > is > the

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 05/15/2017 12:32 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:12 PM, lumin wrote: > >> https://www.debian.org/ >> >> We are the last major distro that move to systemd as the >> default init system. And now we are the last major distro >> that keeps an old design of homepage. > I'd like to

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 08:01:40PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > A good page is one that lets you find information quickly, [...] which sadly www.debian.org doesnt deliver. I still use the sitemap to find *anything*… and even with that, I still also resort to bookmarks and search engines. it's

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 08:01:40PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > I'd really prefer a website written by a programmer [...] > A good page is one that lets you find information quickly Which is not the same. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:12:26AM +, lumin wrote: > On Mon, 2017-05-15 at 11:19 +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: > > Our users are really complaining about our look in the web and we > > should address it. > > I'm looking forward to a new design of our homepage, but I'm not > able to

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 04:01:36PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Non-informative frontpages like the LXDE one are what scares me away. Actually I agree as a user already using GNU/Linux, but for new users it might have different experience. > The contents of the Gentoo homepage is similar to what

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:39:25PM +, Medical Wei wrote: > As for concerns of not informative, i think the informative part should be > placed in the wiki and/or have few recent articles in display. The home > page should be able to attract people to use Debian rather than scaring > people

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Also, as for concerns of i18n, getfedora.org gives us a good example that it is translatable while being stylish. Though it seems that the page is heavily purposed as a download page. On Mon, 15 May 2017 at 20:39 Medical Wei wrote: > As for concerns of not informative, i think

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

As for concerns of not informative, i think the informative part should be placed in the wiki and/or have few recent articles in display. The home page should be able to attract people to use Debian rather than scaring people away. Thanks for the comments too! On Mon, 15 May 2017 at 20:10 Hans

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Le 15/05/2017 13:42, Hans a écrit : just a suggestion/idea. IMO it might be a good idea and advertisement to debian, if people could see on the website, that debian is one of the most used linuces in the world. It should also be strong pointed to, that debian is the source of ubuntu. You may

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Hi there, just a suggestion/idea. IMO it might be a good idea and advertisement to debian, if people could see on the website, that debian is one of the most used linuces in the world. It should also be strong pointed to, that debian is the source of ubuntu. You may also point to, that debian

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: > On 15 May 2017 at 13:30, Paul Wise wrote: > > TBH if I was confronted with the new LXDE web design with CSS turned > > on, I would probably just close the page. The old page is way more > > informative and

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Le 15/05/2017 12:54, Medical Wei a écrit : > I think we need to start having a catchphrase and things that can attract new > users. > > What I know is that we have revised our design but that is not attractive > enough. It's just that this sort of things is like black holes. You can't expect

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 15 May 2017 at 13:30, Paul Wise wrote: > TBH if I was confronted with the new LXDE web design with CSS turned > on, I would probably just close the page. The old page is way more > informative and less heavy on the marketing. > Hi Paul, I believe that what we are actually

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On 2017, മേയ് 15 5:00:13 PM IST, Paul Wise wrote: >TBH if I was confronted with the new LXDE web design with CSS turned >on, I would probably just close the page. The old page is way more >informative and less heavy on the marketing. Are we confusing website with

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Medical Wei wrote: > I think we need to start having a catchphrase Check: $ curl -s https://www.debian.org/ | grep '' Debian -- The Universal Operating System > What I know is that we have revised our design but that is not attractive > enough. We revised

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

I think we need to start having a catchphrase and things that can attract new users. What I know is that we have revised our design but that is not attractive enough. (I did lxde.org from old.lxde.org but I don't know if that seems "attractive".) On Mon, 15 May 2017 at 18:33 Paul Wise

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:12 PM, lumin wrote: > https://www.debian.org/ > > We are the last major distro that move to systemd as the > default init system. And now we are the last major distro > that keeps an old design of homepage. I'd like to point out that what you are seeing is the *new*

When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

On Mon, 2017-05-15 at 11:19 +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: > On 14 May 2017 at 11:58, lumin wrote: > > On the other hand, I fancy modern platforms such > > as Gitlab, as a user. And wondering when Debian > > will update its homepage (www.d.o) to a modern > >