Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-24 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:15:18PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 the mental interface of Domenico Andreoli told: [...] i doubt seriously a new package like libcurl3-gnutls is appropriate, but let me know your opinion. is this stuff urgent? Yes! unfortunately

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-22 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 the mental interface of Domenico Andreoli told: [...] i doubt seriously a new package like libcurl3-gnutls is appropriate, but let me know your opinion. is this stuff urgent? Yes! Elimar -- Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads ;-) --

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 20, sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think that would solve the problem by muting the symptoms. what happens when the next free-but-not-quite-gpl-compatible licensed software is linked against libcurl (or something similar)? Not relevant, gnutls is LGPL'ed. i know i'm repeating

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-20 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 the mental interface of Marco d'Itri told: On Jul 20, sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] i know i'm repeating myself here, but the real fix is to politely solicit the upstream author to change or add a clause to their license that makes such allowances. that,

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-19 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:19:54PM -0400, sean finney wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 09:04:57PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: Why not building curl --without-sssl and --with-gnutls=/usr? Maybe a NMU? this is definitely NOT a reason to NMU libcurl. remember that it is your package that

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-19 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:45:09PM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote: i saw the bug report, i'm sorry to not have commented the request which i find absolutely reasonable. i'll try to figure out if curl may suffer from limitations due to the use of gnutls in place of openssl. i would guess

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Don Armstrong] All that needs to happen is that GPLed packages without an OpenSSL linking exception either need to: 1) Get a linking exception. 2) Stop linking with OpenSSL. 3) For indirect dependencies: make sure you're only using the bits of the (for example) libcurl ABI

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Damian Pietras
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 01:02:53AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Don Armstrong] All that needs to happen is that GPLed packages without an OpenSSL linking exception either need to: 3) For indirect dependencies: make sure you're only using the bits of the (for example)

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:19:54PM -0400, sean finney wrote: Why not building curl --without-sssl and --with-gnutls=/usr? Maybe a NMU? this is definitely NOT a reason to NMU libcurl. remember that it is your package that is broken. of course you could still file a The same issues as

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 11:09:04PM +0300, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: apt-get remove --purge libssl0.9.7 gives me tons of packages. Just an estimation: We need to repack half of all packages then? NO.[1] All that needs to happen is that GPLed

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 11:07:41AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: apt-get remove --purge libssl0.9.7 gives me tons of packages. Just an estimation: We need to repack half of all packages then? NO.[1] All that needs to happen is that GPLed packages without an OpenSSL linking

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Bartosz Fenski] Seems that part of developers think that indirect linking with OpenSSL is ok, and part think it's not. Yeah. Well. Stand back and look at why this 'linking' thing matters in the first place. The point is to determine whether one work is a derivative of another work. If it

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 05:16:27AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Bartosz Fenski] Seems that part of developers think that indirect linking with OpenSSL is ok, and part think it's not. Yeah. Well. Stand back and look at why this 'linking' thing matters in the first place. The point is

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 11:06:13AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:19:54PM -0400, sean finney wrote: this is definitely NOT a reason to NMU libcurl. remember that it is your package that is broken. of course you could still file a The same issues as with

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/18/05, sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 11:06:13AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:19:54PM -0400, sean finney wrote: this is definitely NOT a reason to NMU libcurl. remember that it is your package that is broken. of

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:29:46AM -0400, sean finney wrote: The same issues as with libcurl applied to libldap2. They were considered a bug in libldap2 back then because half the distribution links it. Gave me a lot of recurring head aches. yes, and the same with libmysqlclient, which

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 03:40:30PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 7/18/05, sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, and the same with libmysqlclient, which is why there's no longer ssl support in the mysql packages :( Wouldn't it be possible to support SSL transparently in such a

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-18 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050717 21:20]: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 09:04:57PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: Why not building curl --without-sssl and --with-gnutls=/usr? Maybe a NMU? this is definitely NOT a reason to NMU libcurl. remember that it is your package that is broken.

Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-17 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 the mental interface of Marco d'Itri told: On Jul 17, Elimar Riesebieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comfortable to build curl against gnutls in general? Any hints? Upstream developers should get a clue and either properly license their software, stop using libcurl or

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-17 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 08:21:00PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: I don't see a gpl'd alternative to curl for internet streaming. I am thinking about to build moc --without-curl then :( or you could always contact the author and inform them of their self-inflicted license violation. in my

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-17 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 the mental interface of sean finney told: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 08:21:00PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: I don't see a gpl'd alternative to curl for internet streaming. I am thinking about to build moc --without-curl then :( or you could always contact the author

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-17 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 09:04:57PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: Why not building curl --without-sssl and --with-gnutls=/usr? Maybe a NMU? this is definitely NOT a reason to NMU libcurl. remember that it is your package that is broken. of course you could still file a wishlist bug against

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-17 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 the mental interface of sean finney told: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 08:21:00PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: I don't see a gpl'd alternative to curl for internet streaming. I am thinking about to build moc --without-curl then :( or you could always contact the author

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: apt-get remove --purge libssl0.9.7 gives me tons of packages. Just an estimation: We need to repack half of all packages then? NO.[1] All that needs to happen is that GPLed packages without an OpenSSL linking exception either need to: 1) Get a