Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Call me a wimp
wimp
The problem lies not in the basic four directions (hjkl), but in the
completely mad diagonals. They're plain unnatural and cumbersome to
use
I _completely_ disagree -- I find the rogue diagonals astonishly smooth
and natural to
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
It's too trivial to ask a debconf question
about it upon install so it boils down to a popularity contest.
As an aside, you might want to make this a low priority debconf
question. It might be trivial, but it's obviously generating a
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 02:47:38AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
It's too trivial to ask a debconf question
about it upon install so it boils down to a popularity contest.
As an aside, you might want to make this a low priority
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's trivial to reconfigure it in nethack's option screen, just like any
other option. I'm not sure why this one should be special.
IMO, leave it at the upstream default; you'll surprise nethack players
coming from non-Debian systems less that way. And
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 08:09:00AM -0400, Lukas Geyer wrote:
Right, that reminds me of a default option which I always change,
namely pickup_types. I don't know what the default is at the moment
(in woody it seems to be just $), but IMHO things to be auto-pickuped
are $!?+/=, and some
Steve C. Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 08:09:00AM -0400, Lukas Geyer wrote:
Right, that reminds me of a default option which I always change,
namely pickup_types. I don't know what the default is at the moment
(in woody it seems to be just $), but IMHO things to be
I definitely prefer hjkl -- the huge amount of extra hand movement
required by the number-pad layout is downright painful.
[and I'm a longtime emacs user!]
-miles
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Occam's razor split hairs so well, I bought the whole argument!
BTW, another point is that the original layout is a fairly unique part
of rogue culture, and shipping with it turned off seems a bit like using
graphical tiles by default, or having emacs start up in wordpad-
compatibility mode -- one can perhaps understand the appeal for the
rawest of newbies,
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 12:29:31PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Joshua Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use
nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :) I'm searching for as
many opinions as possible so please speak up!
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 20:30, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Searching for a general consensus here...
These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which
enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due
to a bug filed on the packages a long time ago. Of course,
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use
nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :) I'm searching for as
many opinions as possible so please speak up!
Disabling hjkl results in a rather nasty
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 08:40:10AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
Disabling hjkl results in a rather nasty and inconvenient surprise when
you fire up the Debian nethack package. I seem to remember that in
previous versions of nethack enabling the numeric keypad did not disable
the standard movement
* Joshua Kwan
Searching for a general consensus here...
These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which
enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due
to a bug filed on the packages a long time ago. Of course, there are some
who like it
* Miles Bader
| I definitely prefer hjkl -- the huge amount of extra hand movement
| required by the number-pad layout is downright painful.
|
| [and I'm a longtime emacs user!]
C-[np] and C-[bf] we need, then :)
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On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:15:00AM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Well, one problem I see with that immediately is that 'k' when
number_pad is enabled means kick; if number_pad is off it means go up.
Of course, we could disable k for kick and use ^D; but in the end we
might end up with an awkward
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Miles Bader wrote:
BTW, another point is that the original layout is a fairly unique part
of rogue culture, and shipping with it turned off seems a bit like using
graphical tiles by default, or having emacs start up in wordpad-
compatibility mode -- one can perhaps
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Mark Brown wrote:
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:15:00AM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Well, one problem I see with that immediately is that 'k' when
number_pad is enabled means kick; if number_pad is off it means go up.
Of course, we could disable k for kick and use ^D; but in
Thomas Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
number_pad is your friend. It's far easier to remember the keys.
I used to use the number pad, but then I got a laptop...
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Let me be one of the first to welcome you back...
* Joshua Kwan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Searching for a general consensus here...
number_pad is hellish on laptops, and the hjkl keys are just better
dangit.
iain
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not shared. -- St. Augustine
Hello,
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use
nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :)
I am in favour of both :-O
* The hjkl style keys are really impossible to remember.
So of course the
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 12:29:31PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Real men use hjkl.
And Real Real Men even use a German keyboard for this,
where Y and Z are exchanged. So going to the north-west
ist more fun :-)
Jochen
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Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello,
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use
nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :)
I am in favour of both :-O
* The hjkl style keys are really
yes, number_pad
why, because I don't need to remember what the arrows on the keys mean
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Searching for a general consensus here...
These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which
enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due
to a bug filed on the packages a long time
Joshua Kwan wrote:
These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which
enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due
to a bug filed on the packages a long time ago. Of course, there are some
who like it and some who don't. It's too trivial to ask a
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use nvi
very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :) I'm searching for as many
opinions as possible so please speak up!
i agree. hjkl keys are betterand gives
Searching for a general consensus here...
These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which
enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due
to a bug filed on the packages a long time ago. Of course, there are some
who like it and some who don't. It's
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use
nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :) I'm searching for as
many opinions as possible so please speak up!
number_pad is your friend. It's far easier
I find difficult to play nethack using the default keys - not because of
the standard hjkl vi keys, but because I can't get used to the yubn diagonals.
And number_pad leaves k for kicking stuff :)
Anyway, I'd guess anyone playing nethack is geek enough to figure out
how to change the keys.
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Joshua Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use
nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :) I'm searching for as
many opinions as possible so please speak up!
Real men use hjkl.
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Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 is out! (
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
Searching for a general consensus here...
These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which
enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due
to a bug filed on the packages a long time ago.
Joshua Kwan writes:
Which is better?
The default keys are fine with me, but it would be nice to not have the @
white when in a black on white xterm.
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