Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-09-01 Thread Agustin Martin
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 01:26:09PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org, 2014-07-30, 22:26: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! apt-transport-https Install these packages without verification? [y/N] E: Some packages could not be authenticated [...] But

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-31 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org, 2014-07-30, 22:26: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! apt-transport-https Install these packages without verification? [y/N] E: Some packages could not be authenticated [...] But if the authentication troubles are really related to the

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-30 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org, 2014-07-28, 13:06: This can actually lead to a weird behavior for users. In a system having something under people.debian.org in apt sources.list and apt-transport-https not installed, in today's testing upgrade, $ sudo apt-get update [...] E: The method

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-30 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org, 2014-07-30, 22:26: * Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org, 2014-07-28, 13:06: This can actually lead to a weird behavior for users. In a system having something under people.debian.org in apt sources.list and apt-transport-https not installed, in today's testing

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-28 Thread Agustin Martin
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 02:00:12PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Dixi quod… Martin Zobel-Helas dixit: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). […] Take it as a heads-up to

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-23 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 19:44:18 +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Peter Palfrader wea...@debian.org, 2014-07-20, 12:07: we have been moving towards https for most services over the last 12 months. Is that intentional that the http-https redirect for bugs.d.o is only temporary (302)? Should we

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-23 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Peter Palfrader wea...@debian.org, 2014-07-20, 12:07: we have been moving towards https for most services over the last 12 months. Is that intentional that the http-https redirect for bugs.d.o is only temporary (302)? Should we update devscripts and

Re: people.debian.org redirecting browsers to HTTPS (was: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only)

2014-07-21 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 07/21/2014 12:19 AM, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: These are all good arguments for enabling HTTPS and making it the default (which I've said repeatedly is a move that I support, or at the very least don't oppose), but not for *disabling* the

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 21:22:48 schreef Peter Palfrader: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: If HSTS is enabled and you access people.debian.org even once (and you don't clear out their entire cache for as long as the HSTS timeout lives), then HSTS will ensure that the HTTP URL gets

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, July 20, 2014 21:34, Steve Langasek wrote: Because it's not an improvement to the service; it's a change that makes the *service* to Debian developers worse, for political reasons. I don't agree that it gets worse or that it is for political reasons, but even if it were, it being

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Yes it does. No... I just tried chromium and iceweasel on this laptop (running sid, a few days out of date). Both will turn http://www.debian.org; into https://www.debian.org; due to HSTS. This works whether I enter the http://;

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op maandag 21 juli 2014 17:39:44 schreef Paul Wise: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Yes it does. No... I just tried chromium and iceweasel on this laptop (running sid, a few days out of date). Both will turn http://www.debian.org; into https://www.debian.org;

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op zondag 20 juli 2014 21:22:48 schreef Peter Palfrader: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: If HSTS is enabled and you access people.debian.org even once (and you don't clear out their entire cache for as long as the HSTS timeout

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op maandag 21 juli 2014 11:34:53 schreef Thijs Kinkhorst: On Sun, July 20, 2014 21:34, Steve Langasek wrote: Because it's not an improvement to the service; it's a change that makes the *service* to Debian developers worse, for political reasons. I don't agree that it gets worse You're no

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op maandag 21 juli 2014 11:34:49 schreef Peter Palfrader: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Are you talking about something else? If so, can you clarify in more than two words? Sure, I can clarify: As I understand the RFC, servers MUST NOT send HSTS headers on insecure

myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Iain, On Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: The main one is that there are places in the world you just can't use HTTPS for legal reasons [...] I'm curious, can you name one? cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 01:12:37PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi Iain, On Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: The main one is that there are places in the world you just can't use HTTPS for legal reasons [...] I'm curious, can you name one? The United Kingdom when using

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 21. Juli 2014, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: The United Kingdom when using IPv4 over AX.25 on Amateur Radio. Encryption is illegal because it goes against the self-policing nature of the amateur bands. and so are probably prison inmates, workers of armed forces and other who might

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 7/21/14, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi Iain, On Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: The main one is that there are places in the world you just can't use HTTPS for legal reasons [...] I'm curious, can you name one? I'm also curious - is there a Debian

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 7/21/14, Iain R. Learmonth i...@fsfe.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 01:12:37PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi Iain, On Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: The main one is that there are places in the world you just can't use HTTPS for legal reasons [...] I'm

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014, at 13:12, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi Iain, On Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: The main one is that there are places in the world you just can't use HTTPS for legal reasons [...] I'm curious, can you name one?

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
Hi Jacob, On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 01:14:14PM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I believe you are mistaken. My understanding is that you're not supposed to use crypto on the radio layer and IP packets are already several layers away from that concern. It would be great to hear from a HAM radio

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote: The current problem with HTTPS is that it bundles encryption with authenticity. This needs to be unbundled[1]. My opinion is that even a transparent opportunistic encryption (f.e. like DANE implementation in postfix) would improve the

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 7/21/14, Iain R. Learmonth i...@fsfe.org wrote: Hi Jacob, On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 01:14:14PM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I believe you are mistaken. My understanding is that you're not supposed to use crypto on the radio layer and IP packets are already several layers away from that

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 02:38:14PM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: On 7/21/14, Iain R. Learmonth i...@fsfe.org wrote: By that reasoning, we may not authenticate except by sending plaintext passwords over such a network. That seems to either be an old policy, a mistake or a network that is simply

RFH Packaging DNSSEC/TLSA Validator (Was: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only)

2014-07-21 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi, On Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 08:47, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Not many HTTP clients support DANE, unfortunately, and MITM-ing DNSSEC-secured domains is a bit more effort than just MITM-ing a plaintext HTTP connection. my team has just produced js-types version of DNSSEC/TLSA Validator so it

Re: myth(?): places in the world where https is illegal? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net, 2014-07-21, 13:09: I'm also curious - is there a Debian developer who will not use HTTPS but does use SSH to access servers? Very unlikely, with or without the “but …” part. (But I'm afraid I don't understand what point you're trying to make.) Is

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-21 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Peter Palfrader wea...@debian.org, 2014-07-20, 12:07: we have been moving towards https for most services over the last 12 months. Is that intentional that the http-https redirect for bugs.d.o is only temporary (302)? Should we update devscripts and python-debianbts to use HTTPS for

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zaterdag 19 juli 2014 22:54:47 schreef u: ]] Wouter Verhelst Op zondag 13 juli 2014 22:13:10 schreef Martin Zobel-Helas: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected).

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Wouter Verhelst Op zaterdag 19 juli 2014 22:54:47 schreef u: ]] Wouter Verhelst Op zondag 13 juli 2014 22:13:10 schreef Martin Zobel-Helas: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Additionally, since debian.org uses DNSSEC, if you can somehow MITM people.debian.org then due to DANE you can MITM it for HTTP as well as HTTPS, so forcing HTTPS really doesn't gain you much. But that implies that the attacker has access

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Ondřej Surý: Pervasive monitoring. In and of itself, if you only access publicly-availble files, that's not a threat. Really we should introduce encryption *everywhere*. This change does not introduce encryption. It disables the option not to use encryption. I can accept that e.g. if

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 09:23:55 schreef u: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Additionally, since debian.org uses DNSSEC, if you can somehow MITM people.debian.org then due to DANE you can MITM it for HTTP as well as HTTPS, so forcing HTTPS really doesn't gain you much.

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 08:47:07 schreef Tollef Fog Heen: ]] Wouter Verhelst Op zaterdag 19 juli 2014 22:54:47 schreef u: ]] Wouter Verhelst Op zondag 13 juli 2014 22:13:10 schreef Martin Zobel-Helas: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 09:23:55AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: There are lots of attack vectors. It's not a response to a single attack being exploited in the wild. So name one? Pervasive monitoring. Really we should introduce

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no, 2014-07-20, 08:47: Would you be happy with http://people.debian.org/THIS-IS-INSECURE/YES-I-WANT-TO-PROCEED/~user/file as the URLs? No need to be condescending. :-( Also, I wouldn't say “insecure”, which might be vague in this context. My proposal:

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Tim Retout
On 20 July 2014 10:07, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: With the state of the CA cartel these days, I have little trust in the strength of HTTPS as a verification mechanism, and so I wouldn't trust a file to be correct even if it came through an HTTPS connection that validates. Instead, I

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:45:10 +0200, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: Op zondag 20 juli 2014 09:23:55 schreef u: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Additionally, since debian.org uses DNSSEC, if you can somehow MITM people.debian.org then due to DANE you can MITM it for

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 09:23:55AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: There are lots of attack vectors. It's not a response to a single attack being exploited in the wild. So name one?

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Ondřej Surý wrote: Pervasive monitoring. Really we should introduce encryption *everywhere*. And indeed we have been moving towards https for most services over the last 12 months. www is still not done, due to unfortunate push-bash by the service owners, but most others

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
At Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:07:16 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Even ignoring that, assuming people trust that code off people.debian.org is safe, if they run a validating DNS resolver they don't run more of a risk than if they use only HTTPS. I don't really follow that. A validating DNS resolver

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 11:06:00 schreef Tim Retout: On 20 July 2014 10:07, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: With the state of the CA cartel these days, I have little trust in the strength of HTTPS as a verification mechanism, and so I wouldn't trust a file to be correct even if it came

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 12:53:59 schreef Jeroen Dekkers: At Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:07:16 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Even ignoring that, assuming people trust that code off people.debian.org is safe, if they run a validating DNS resolver they don't run more of a risk than if they use only

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, July 20, 2014 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op zaterdag 19 juli 2014 22:54:47 schreef u: Please note that there remain cases where accessing HTTPS is difficult or impossible. One of these (but by no means the only one) is the current release of debian-installer: the wget

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 11:38:13 schreef Marc Haber: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:45:10 +0200, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: Op zondag 20 juli 2014 09:23:55 schreef u: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Additionally, since debian.org uses DNSSEC, if you can somehow MITM

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:21:03 +0200, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: Op zondag 20 juli 2014 11:38:13 schreef Marc Haber: I might me missing something, and I admit not having read the entire thread, but how would they have access to private key material? Beyond GPG keys there are also DNSSEC

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Wouter Verhelst AFAIK, people.debian.org does not allow running server-side HTTP scripts (and even if it does, I think that's a bad idea and we should disable it ASAP). As such, people.debian.org is not an interface for reading mail in your browser over HTTP, or doing IRC, or whatnot. So

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: These are all good arguments for enabling HTTPS and making it the default (which I've said repeatedly is a move that I support, or at the very least don't oppose), but not for *disabling* the possibility of plain HTTP. Pray tell: How do you make it

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:38:23AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Pervasive monitoring. In and of itself, if you only access publicly-availble files, that's not a threat. 1 Security service has unknown exploit. 2 Pervasive monitoring sees you install a package from somewhere over HTTP. 3

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:03:59PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: My proposal: http://nohttps.people.debian.org/~user/file This is similar to my proposal[1], using a seperate VHOST that would allow HTTP access. It's clear in the URL what is going on, and most people will be using HTTPS but there are

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 01:52:20PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: These are all good arguments for enabling HTTPS and making it the default (which I've said repeatedly is a move that I support, or at the very least don't oppose), but not for

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: Pray tell: How do you make it default. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security It sends a header to tell you you should be using HTTPS. Alas, that's not what HSTS is about or for. It cannot be used for this. --

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Mirosław Baran
W dniu 20/07/2014 11:01, Peter Palfrader napisał(a): I do think that if DSA are going to enforce such a policy, they should be able to explain why. What Ondřej said a.k.a. “because”. Do try better. – j. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 13:52:20 schreef Peter Palfrader: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: These are all good arguments for enabling HTTPS and making it the default (which I've said repeatedly is a move that I support, or at the very least don't oppose), but not for *disabling*

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 13:28:43 schreef Marc Haber: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:21:03 +0200, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: Op zondag 20 juli 2014 11:38:13 schreef Marc Haber: I might me missing something, and I admit not having read the entire thread, but how would they have access to

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 12:06, Tim Retout wrote: On 20 July 2014 10:07, Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be wrote: With the state of the CA cartel these days, I have little trust in the strength of HTTPS as a verification mechanism, and so I wouldn't trust a file to be correct even if it came

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: These are all good arguments for enabling HTTPS and making it the default (which I've said repeatedly is a move that I support, or at the very least don't oppose), but not for *disabling* the possibility of plain HTTP. Pray tell: How do

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 06:19:14PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: None of these brings people who type in people.debian.org into their browser to https. Right. AFAICT the only technical change that will do that (sanely) is an HTTP-level redirection from http://(.*) to https://$1 . Having that

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2014-07-20 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: True, but debian-installer simply does not support any signed/encrypted preseeding. […] Granted, these are probably bugs, and IIRC Colin was working on providing HTTPS support for jessie. Still, I while I support enabling HTTPS for people.d.o, I

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 08:23:58PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2014-07-20 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: True, but debian-installer simply does not support any signed/encrypted preseeding. […] Granted, these are probably bugs, and IIRC Colin was working on providing HTTPS support for

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 20 juli 2014 18:19:14 schreef Peter Palfrader: On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: These are all good arguments for enabling HTTPS and making it the default (which I've said repeatedly is a move that I support, or at the very least don't oppose), but not for

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: AFAICT the only technical change that will do that (sanely) is an HTTP-level redirection from http://(.*) to https://$1 . That is my understanding as well. - it's not entirely clear how much extra work implementing this would require. In

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/20/2014 03:08 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op zondag 20 juli 2014 18:19:14 schreef Peter Palfrader: None of these brings people who type in people.debian.org into their browser to https. If they type it in because they want to avoid

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: If HSTS is enabled and you access people.debian.org even once (and you don't clear out their entire cache for as long as the HSTS timeout lives), then HSTS will ensure that the HTTP URL gets turned into an HTTPS URL automatically. Alas, no. --

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 01:19:58PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Sun, July 20, 2014 08:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op zaterdag 19 juli 2014 22:54:47 schreef u: Please note that there remain cases where accessing HTTPS is difficult or impossible. One of these (but by no means the only

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 09:00:05PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: IMO, a dedicated vhost name sounds much more appealing than magic apache configs. I wonder whether it should use the same UserDirs. Oh, right. With different UserDirs (bonus point: the default one, public_html/, being the one

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:05:56AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 09:00:05PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: IMO, a dedicated vhost name sounds much more appealing than magic apache configs. I wonder whether it should use the same UserDirs. Oh, right. With

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-20 Thread Philipp Kern
Hi, On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 07:30:35PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: I'll hopefully get to finishing this at DebConf; I think I merged most of the safe and independent pieces already, and mostly just need to deal with wget-udeb. I'm not expecting to backport this to wheezy though. yeah, it

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zondag 13 juli 2014 22:13:10 schreef Martin Zobel-Helas: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). Why? Please note that there remain cases where accessing HTTPS is difficult

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-19 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Wouter Verhelst Op zondag 13 juli 2014 22:13:10 schreef Martin Zobel-Helas: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). Why? Because the world is a nastier place than it

Re: Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-17 Thread Bálint Réczey
2014-07-17 2:20 GMT+02:00 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:43:17PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: Some sites (I mean, deployments) like to use a caching proxy, especially if many machines use the same resource, and/or bandwidth is scarce. Or even

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-16 Thread Bálint Réczey
2014-07-15 21:39 GMT+02:00 Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org: On 2014-07-15 16:00, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Martin Zobel-Helas dixit: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). […]

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 19:50 +0200, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2014-07-15 21:39 GMT+02:00 Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org: On 2014-07-15 16:00, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Martin Zobel-Helas dixit: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will

Re: Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-16 Thread Steven Chamberlain
Some sites (I mean, deployments) like to use a caching proxy, especially if many machines use the same resource, and/or bandwidth is scarce. Or even just one machine accessing the same resource often. Maybe this won't apply to anything particular on people.d.o, but certainly a lot of websites

Re: Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-16 Thread brian m. carlson
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:43:17PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: Some sites (I mean, deployments) like to use a caching proxy, especially if many machines use the same resource, and/or bandwidth is scarce. Or even just one machine accessing the same resource often. Maybe this won't apply

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Dixi quod… Martin Zobel-Helas dixit: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). […] Take it as a heads-up to maybe move stuff elsewhere, if it needs http (e.g. APT repos work well via

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-15 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2014-07-15 16:00, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Martin Zobel-Helas dixit: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). […] Take it as a heads-up to maybe move stuff elsewhere, if it

m68k too slow for https? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-14 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sonntag, 13. Juli 2014, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). This means that requests from wget (since it switched from OpenSSL to GnuTLS) and

Re: m68k too slow for https? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-14 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:16:01AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: am I getting this right, that there are architectures which are too slow to use https??? if so: wow... This seems likely, especially for embedded platforms where power is a massive constraint. (And, if that's the case, I dont't

Re: m68k too slow for https? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-14 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:36:10AM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: If Debian stops supporting embedded platforms, it stops being a universal operating system. FSVO universal. I think this is not a good argument unless/until we have some more-or-less common and official agreement about what does

Re: m68k too slow for https? Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-14 Thread Thorsten Glaser
h01ger wrote: On Sonntag, 13. Juli 2014, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). This means that requests from wget (since it switched from OpenSSL to

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-13 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Martin Zobel-Helas dixit: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). This means that requests from wget (since it switched from OpenSSL to GnuTLS) and other utilities from slow

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-13 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org, 2014-07-13, 22:13: The plan is to execute a final sync of home directories on 2014-JUL-26 starting at 0800Z. http://xkcd.com/1179/ we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-13 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Martin, On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 10:13:10PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). Could you elaborate on why people.d.o will enforce https?

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-13 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 15:19:22 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 10:13:10PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Furthermore, we will change the people.debian.org web-service such that only HTTPS connections will be supported (unencrypted requests will be redirected). […]

Re: people.debian.org will move from ravel to paradis and become HTTPS only

2014-07-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Guillem Jover wrote: HSTS protects mostly from MITM (except for first connection), but I'm not sure if DSA is planning to add it. HSTS is a standard part of HTTPS setup on machines run by DSA, so it is very likely they will. -- bye, pabs