Re: Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-11-16 Thread Ramunas Vabolis
Hello there, I was wondering too, why there is no SA3 in sarge yet. A friend of mine asked to write a couple words about this new version from a system administrator view. When I was using 2.6x series, the main tool to mark spam was bayes database, and some others tests would help to identify

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-11-16 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, * Ramunas Vabolis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041116 09:15]: I was wondering too, why there is no SA3 in sarge yet. A friend of mine asked to write a couple words about this new version from a system administrator view. Given that SA3 is a major change, and we had massive memory issues with

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-11-16 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:54:44AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: Given that SA3 is a major change, and we had massive memory issues with the previous upload, the transfer to sarge is a bit delayed. I expect that SA3 will go in one of these days, and it is _definitly_ on my direct watch list.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-11-16 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steinar H. Gunderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041116 12:30]: On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:54:44AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: Given that SA3 is a major change, and we had massive memory issues with the previous upload, the transfer to sarge is a bit delayed. I expect that SA3 will go in one of

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-11-16 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: * Steinar H. Gunderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041116 12:30]: On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:54:44AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: Given that SA3 is a major change, and we had massive memory issues with the previous upload, the transfer to sarge is a bit

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-11-16 Thread Andreas Barth
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041116 14:55]: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: * Steinar H. Gunderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041116 12:30]: On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:54:44AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: Given that SA3 is a major change, and we had massive

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-11-16 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 03:01:03PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: IMHO it only *has* to be fixed in sarge if it affects upgrades from 2.20, which is in stable. Otherwise, documentation on NEWS.Debian should be enough. It doesn't affect upgrades from 2.20 which have no Bayes at all. The only

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-11-16 Thread Andreas Barth
* Duncan Findlay ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041116 16:50]: On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 03:01:03PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: I agree with you that fixing is only required if this might be a problem for upgrades from woody. As this bug report is quite young, I think the best thing really is to give

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:56:25 -0500, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Under your scheme, Sarge would be bereft of all the packages that build on SA that have not changed, at the cost of something that has shown all evidence of being flakey and not ready for prime time yet.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-10 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 04:46:10AM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote: The only official interfaces SpamAssassin ever provided (to the best of my knowledge) are: 1) calling spamassassin directly (as a commandline tool) 2) calling the spamc client (again, as a commandline tool) 3) accessing spamd over

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-10 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Sven Mueller | Tollef Fog Heen [u] wrote on 07/10/2004 09:52: | * Duncan Findlay | Umm... I'd like to see that | 7122 root 15 0 660m 332m 4692 D 0.0 43.8 8:18.64 spamd | 7123 nobody15 0 287m 257m 4692 D 0.0 34.0 0:17.01 spamd | | Furthermore, you should use the -m

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-10 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 12:23:26PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: I don't follow your logic here. First, you say that using SA via the Perl modules are not supported; then, you say that the SA Perl APIs were frozen and officially published seven months ago? Oh, and checking on

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-10 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Sven Mueller | Tollef Fog Heen [u] wrote on 07/10/2004 10:00: | | * Sven Mueller | Well, perl modules don't have an SO name. | : [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/lib apt-cache show libvideo-capture-v4l-perl| | grep ^Depends | Depends: perlapi-5.8.3, perl (= 5.8.3-2), libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-4) | Seems

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-10 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 10:43:14AM +0900, Clemens Schwaighofer wrote: Furthermore, we should all know that Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus is a CPU memory hog. It needs tons of memory and fastest cpu ... always. I'm using now bogofilter and razor, without CPU and memory problems at all. So your

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-10 Thread Sven Mueller
Tollef Fog Heen [u] wrote on 10/10/2004 13:01: * Sven Mueller From the front page of spamassassin.org: : Flexible: SpamAssassin encapsulates its logic in a well-designed, : abstract API so it can be integrated anywhere in the email : stream. The Mail::SpamAssassin classes can be used on a wide

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Sven Mueller
Tollef Fog Heen [u] wrote on 07/10/2004 09:52: * Duncan Findlay | Umm... I'd like to see that 7122 root 15 0 660m 332m 4692 D 0.0 43.8 8:18.64 spamd 7123 nobody15 0 287m 257m 4692 D 0.0 34.0 0:17.01 spamd | Furthermore, you should use the -m option to limit the number of

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/07/2004 01:43 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * martin f krafft | What do you think? API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. Also, SA3 is useless, as it eats about half a gig of RAM on my system. Per child.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/08/2004 07:25 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Duncan Findlay | A lot of that is shared, but not reported as such by top/ps due to | changes in how the kernel reports shared memory. The kernel only | reports memory that is used in shared

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Sven Mueller
Tollef Fog Heen [u] wrote on 07/10/2004 10:00: * Sven Mueller | Well, perl modules don't have an SO name. : [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/lib apt-cache show libvideo-capture-v4l-perl| grep ^Depends Depends: perlapi-5.8.3, perl (= 5.8.3-2), libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-4) Seems like perl provides an API that

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-09 Thread Sven Mueller
Sven Mueller [u] wrote on 10/10/2004 04:46: Go learn perl, than come back. Sheesh, I shouldn't write mail after prolonged discussions with my boss... I apologize for the rudeness of that comment. Even though it was meant somewhat jokingly, I realize it probably was too harsh. Sorry. cu, sven

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-08 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 07:37:42PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Now it's running at -m5 (the suggested value) and I have not had problems since. Of course, now I only get half the throughput, and my queue has not emptied for a whole day because SA is unable to keep up. I had -m2 and each

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias | For me sa work well: That doesn't help me. | Can you give some steps to reproduce such memory comsuption. Yeah, receive the mail/spam I get and you'll see it within twenty minutes. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Duncan Findlay | A lot of that is shared, but not reported as such by top/ps due to | changes in how the kernel reports shared memory. The kernel only | reports memory that is used in shared libraries, I believe. More | memory is shared between spamd and it's children. My system ran out of

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-08 Thread Greg Norris
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 12:24:18PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | Can you give some steps to reproduce such memory comsuption. Yeah, receive the mail/spam I get and you'll see it within twenty minutes. Unless you're offering to provide relevant samples of the messages in question, that

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-08 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 12:24:18PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias | For me sa work well: That doesn't help me. | Can you give some steps to reproduce such memory comsuption. Yeah, receive the mail/spam I get and you'll see it within twenty minutes. Do

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-08 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Greg Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.08.1601 +0200]: Unless you're offering to provide relevant samples of the messages in question, that response is quite worthless from a troubleshooting perspective. Yes, please forward your spam to debian-devel so that we can all feel it.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Duncan Findlay | On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 12:24:18PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias | | | For me sa work well: | | That doesn't help me. | | | Can you give some steps to reproduce such memory comsuption. | | Yeah, receive the mail/spam I get and

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-08 Thread Greg Norris
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 04:10:14PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Greg Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.08.1601 +0200]: Unless you're offering to provide relevant samples of the messages in question, that response is quite worthless from a troubleshooting perspective. Yes,

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-08 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Duncan Findlay | On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 12:24:18PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * Emilio Jess Gallego Arias | | | For me sa work well: | | That doesn't help me. | | | Can you give some steps to reproduce such memory comsuption.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Duncan Findlay | On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:43:47PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * martin f krafft | | | What do you think? | | API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. | | Also, SA3 is useless, as it eats about half a gig of RAM on my | system.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Sven Mueller | Well, perl modules don't have an SO name. : [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/lib apt-cache show libvideo-capture-v4l-perl| grep ^Depends Depends: perlapi-5.8.3, perl (= 5.8.3-2), libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-4) Seems like perl provides an API that the module depends on, no? | And actually, the

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:03:18PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: (And my home server is a AMD K6-II 450, with 192MB RAM, not bad for my own amount of daily mail) Perhaps you simply need to tune the -m option. Spamassassin has switched to a preforking model (similar to apache) rather than a

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Adam D. Barratt
Duncan Findlay wrote, Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:03 PM On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 10:51:46PM +0200, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: [...] And, BTW, since version 2.64 we have: - Rules backported from 3.0.0 So though SA3 can make other things better (bayesian and so), SA2 is not so

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:29:38PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: Eh. spamassassin has had a long-standing, well-known API, and suddenly changes it. It is _SA_ which broke this, not the other applications. SA has had a long-standing, well-known API in the many packages which went to

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:46:04PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: Well, I'm not at all convinced this is so good. Didn't the RMs say something about 'no major new upstream releases', in order to be able to ship sarge this year? 2.64-1 is in testing. since sa3 has RCs, it will not get

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 11:08:55AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: And I have been running it ever since beta1 in a 512GB PII-350 and my mail has ^ That might explain why you haven't been seeing any problems ;-) /* Steinar */ -- Homepage:

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.07.1252 +0200]: And I have been running it ever since beta1 in a 512GB PII-350 and my mail has That might explain why you haven't been seeing any problems ;-) I didn't think the x86 architecture can handle 512 Gb of RAM. --

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:37:19AM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: I'm not really sure what you mean by rules backported from 3.0.0. Unfortunately, rules are fairly linked to releases. The above was a /direct/ quote from the 2.64-1 changelog: spamassassin (2.64-1) unstable; urgency=high

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:52:15PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 11:08:55AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: And I have been running it ever since beta1 in a 512GB PII-350 ^ That might explain why you haven't

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 04:11:26PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Sorry, but the basic problem I'm speaking about has nothing to do with volatile - but just that requiring substancially more memory might be a bad idea. We still have inn1 and inn2 parallel (and I'm a happy user of inn1), for

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 04:17:23PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: That's silly. Maybe 2.x is obsolete but it catches about 90% of my spam. Which still leaves 20 or so per day in my inbox. But I'd be very pissed if upgrading my PII-233 with 128MB of RAM installs a program which just can't

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias
El jue, 07-10-2004 a las 09:52 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen escribi: * Duncan Findlay | On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:43:47PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * martin f krafft | | | What do you think? | | API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. | |

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 01:24:57PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:37:19AM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: I'm not really sure what you mean by rules backported from 3.0.0. Unfortunately, rules are fairly linked to releases. The above was a /direct/ quote from

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-07 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:52:40AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Duncan Findlay | On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:43:47PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * martin f krafft | | | What do you think? | | API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. | |

possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
Hi folks, Spamassassin 3 is finally in unstable. Thanks to Duncan (and possibly others involved)! If you'd be so kind as to refer to #274993, I think we have a problem. A number of packages (see the bug report) depend on spamassassin, but some are not going to work with version 3, which changed

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Richard Atterer
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 11:52:04AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: If you'd be so kind as to refer to #274993, I think we have a problem. A number of packages (see the bug report) depend on spamassassin, but some are not going to work with version 3, which changed the API considerably. The

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004, martin f krafft wrote: b. provide a new version that can interface with spamassassin 3. Just for the record, current amavisd-new can talk to spamassassin 3, even if not perfectly (chroots needs some... tweaking). As for the bugs, go ahead. spamassassin 2 is pretty much

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 11:52:04AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Hi folks, Spamassassin 3 is finally in unstable. Thanks to Duncan (and possibly others involved)! Just for record, I and a few other people removed spamassassin 3 on my workstation due to performace problems. It is really a

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Francesco P. Lovergine [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.1418 +0200]: Just for record, I and a few other people removed spamassassin 3 on my workstation due to performace problems. It is really a memory and cpu hog. I have to confirm. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Andreas Barth
* Francesco P. Lovergine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041006 14:20]: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 11:52:04AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Spamassassin 3 is finally in unstable. Thanks to Duncan (and possibly others involved)! Just for record, I and a few other people removed spamassassin 3 on my

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:32:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: If this is not solved, we really should consider to re-introduce spamassassin 2 as spamassassin, and the version 3 as spamassassin3. Or we should not consider it. In such case 2.64 will become obsolete even faster than 2.20 did

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:40:47PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:32:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: If this is not solved, we really should consider to re-introduce spamassassin 2 as spamassassin, and the version 3 as spamassassin3. Or we should not consider

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Andreas Barth
* Francesco P. Lovergine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041006 15:05]: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:40:47PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:32:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Just for record, I and a few other people removed spamassassin 3 on my workstation due to performace

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 06, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but the basic problem I'm speaking about has nothing to do with volatile - but just that requiring substancially more memory might be a bad idea. We still have inn1 and inn2 parallel (and I'm a happy user of inn1), for similar reasons.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 11:52:04AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: If you'd be so kind as to refer to #274993, I think we have a problem. A number of packages (see the bug report) depend on spamassassin, but some are not going to work with version 3, which changed the API considerably. The

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.1616 +0200]: This is backwards. The conflicts must be added in spamassassin in order that we don't forget to remove said other packages from sarge if necessary. That prevents SA from entering Sarge. I say: remove all the others from Sarge

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is backwards. The conflicts must be added in spamassassin in order that we don't forget to remove said other packages from sarge if necessary. Won't work, at least not by itself. Since we expect the other packages to sooner or later be updated to

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 04:33:37PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: I say: remove all the others from Sarge unless or until they comply with SA 3. OK, so you want to remove exim4 from sarge, thus breaking installation altogether? I fail to see yours and Adrian's rationale for why spamassassin

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* martin f krafft | What do you think? API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. Also, SA3 is useless, as it eats about half a gig of RAM on my system. Per child. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Adam Majer
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * martin f krafft | What do you think? API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. Also, SA3 is useless, as it eats about half a gig of RAM on my system. Per child. After running for a little while, PID USER PR NI VIRT RES

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.1934 +0200]: After running for a little while, [...] I wouldn't say it uses half a gig of ram. Something else is going on.. I had -m10 passed to spamd for 2.64. When I upgraded, I left that in place. I almost hosed a server that went up to

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.1934 +0200]: After running for a little while, [...] I wouldn't say it uses half a gig of ram. Something else is going on.. I had -m10 passed to spamd for 2.64. When I upgraded, I left that

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Also, SA3 is useless, as it eats about half a gig of RAM on my system. Per child. This is a ridiculous big RSS. What are you telling SA to do? Load 20MB of AWL and 20MB of Bayes data into memory? -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Adam Majer
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.1934 +0200]: After running for a little while, [...] I wouldn't say it uses half a gig of ram. Something else is going on.. I had -m10 passed to spamd for 2.64. When I upgraded, I left that in place.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 11:52:04AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Hi folks, Spamassassin 3 is finally in unstable. Thanks to Duncan (and possibly others involved)! Well, I'm not at all convinced this is so good. Didn't the RMs say something about 'no major new upstream releases', in order to

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.2023 +0200]: How much network latency do you have? If -m10 is helping you, you must be waiting on TCP/IP requests like crazy. I am not sure. A normal run via spamd takes about 3 seconds per message. At peak times, the

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Sven Mueller
Steinar H. Gunderson [u] wrote on 06/10/2004 18:29: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 04:33:37PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: I say: remove all the others from Sarge unless or until they comply with SA 3. OK, so you want to remove exim4 from sarge, thus breaking installation altogether? ??? Since

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.1616 +0200]: This is backwards. The conflicts must be added in spamassassin in order that we don't forget to remove said other packages from sarge if necessary. That prevents SA from

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06. +0200]: The major change that I'm aware of is the nonsensical change of 'hits' to 'score'[1] in the output. Just provide both 'hits' and 'score' and this particular problem will go away. [This was the major issue facing

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041006 16:35]: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.1616 +0200]: This is backwards. The conflicts must be added in spamassassin in order that we don't forget to remove said other packages from sarge if necessary. That prevents SA

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 10:01:12PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote: ??? Since when does exim4 use SA by default? AFAIK, you have to specifically configure it to use it. Right? If so, there should be no reason to remove it or for it to conflict with SA3. Well, if I dist-upgrade my mail server so a

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.2234 +0200]: I guess spamassassin3 won't be added to sarge. Can you remember the upload of the latest kde to unstable, and the explicit NO from the release masters? Can you remember that already before that it was said no new upstream

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041006 22:40]: also sprach Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.2234 +0200]: I guess spamassassin3 won't be added to sarge. Can you remember the upload of the latest kde to unstable, and the explicit NO from the release masters? Can you remember

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El mi, 06-10-2004 a las 08:03 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh escribi: On Wed, 06 Oct 2004, martin f krafft wrote: b. provide a new version that can interface with spamassassin 3. Just for the record, current amavisd-new can talk to spamassassin 3, even if not perfectly (chroots needs

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.2244 +0200]: That can be done of course - as well as we have exim4 in addition to exim, or inn2 in addition to inn. But in this case, reverting the latest upload of spamassassin might be a good idea. I can't wait for Duncan to join in and

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 06, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if I dist-upgrade my mail server so a new spamassassin comes in, my mail setup breaks. Now, that is clearly broken, and an RC bug on some package. We are talking about unstable. -- ciao, | Marco | [8393 idbw1qdMcWarw]

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Sven Mueller
Steinar H. Gunderson [u] wrote on 06/10/2004 22:37: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:10:39PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote: ??? Since when does exim4 use SA by default? AFAIK, you have to specifically configure it to use it. Right? If so, there should be no reason to remove it or for it to conflict with

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:33:37 +0200, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.1616 +0200]: This is backwards. The conflicts must be added in spamassassin in order that we don't forget to remove said other packages from sarge if necessary.

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.2256 +0200]: Under your scheme, Sarge would be bereft of all the packages that build on SA that have not changed, at the cost of something that has shown all evidence of being flakey and not ready for prime time yet. My

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Andreas Barth
* Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041006 23:05]: On Oct 06, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if I dist-upgrade my mail server so a new spamassassin comes in, my mail setup breaks. Now, that is clearly broken, and an RC bug on some package. We are talking about

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 10:51:46PM +0200, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: But the problem is that spamassassin 2 works in usual people MX systems (which usually is your older desktop) while SA3 has a big problem in that machines, making it unusable. And, BTW, since version 2.64 we have:

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 10:37:04PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 10:01:12PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote: ??? Since when does exim4 use SA by default? AFAIK, you have to specifically configure it to use it. Right? If so, there should be no reason to remove it or

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 01:22:02PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: The major change that I'm aware of is the nonsensical change of 'hits' to 'score'[1] in the output. Just provide both 'hits' and 'score' and this particular problem will go away. [This was the major issue facing spamass-milter,

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:43:47PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * martin f krafft | What do you think? API changed generally means you bump soname. Why not for SA as well. Also, SA3 is useless, as it eats about half a gig of RAM on my system. Per child. Umm... I'd like to see

Re: possible mass bug filing: spamassassin 3

2004-10-06 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 11:52:04AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: I really think spamassassin 3 should make it into Sarge, if at all possible, and not be held up by depending packages which aren't up to speed. I'm currently inclined to leave 2.64 in sarge (as has been my intention ever since