Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 02/15/2014 09:23 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: Whenever someone says I installed pulseaudio and my sound stopped working, the right answer is *not* here are some tools that let you reconfigure pulseaudio. The right answer is let's figure out how to fix pulseaudio so that this doesn't happen.

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
In data sabato 15 febbraio 2014 21:52:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha scritto: The problem is that many people who complain about PulseAudio issues are often prejudiced about it Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look at the facts: it comes by default, in the last 3 desktop

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 02/15/2014 10:12 PM, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: In data sabato 15 febbraio 2014 21:52:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha scritto: The problem is that many people who complain about PulseAudio issues are often prejudiced about it Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look at the

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Salvo Tomaselli: Reporting bugs doesn't really help very much https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702884 So please stop blaming it on users. Umm, what? Looking at that bug, it was obvious from your first email that you have a basic problem with pulse being installed,

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Meh, I don't want to start another flame war. It works fine for me and for all users (~1000) at my Physics Department where we deploy Debian I do believe you Well, Anton couldn't reproduce the bug, so you probably didn't provide enough information. I did offer to provide the information

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
In data sabato 15 febbraio 2014 23:46:24, Matthias Urlichs ha scritto: Umm, what? Looking at that bug, it was obvious from your first email that you have a basic problem with pulse being installed, and that you aren't really interested in helping find the cause of the problem. Hm.. Please let

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread Martin Eberhard Schauer
The problem (insane pulseaudio defaults disabling audio output) has not been debugged yet because there is an easy workaround: deinstall pulseaudio. There seems to be little interest in investigating the issue. Why not document the status quo somewhere (known issues in the release notes or the

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread Scott Leggett
On 15/02/14 19:58, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: So, in order to be able to properly configure PulseAudio, install pavucontrol or use the sound preferences in GNOME3 or MATE (with the package mate-media-pulse being installed). I'd like to take the opportunity to plug the pasystray

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 02/16/2014 12:39 AM, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: Hm.. Please let me copy and paste some passages from that bug-report: I said: If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperate and send you configuration and details about my system. To which I got this answer: No, thanks. See my

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-15 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not reporting a bug, you were just ranting. I am glad I don't need to use any of your packages then :-) How about writing a proper bug report without being so hostile? How would another bug help, when my offer to send further

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