Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-30 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Friday 30 December 2005 01.19, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 05:55:03PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: On Thursday 29 December 2005 14.45, Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: Would it not be enough for apt if d-i created an fstab that linked /dev/hdX - /media/cdrom ? Won't

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-30 Thread Max Vozeler
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 12:02:44AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: Would it not be enough for apt if d-i created an fstab that linked /dev/hdX - /media/cdrom ? Hmm, that's what it does, so maybe things will be ok. I don't know really what else might depend on there

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 11:48:56AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: Network interfaces may be renamed after sarge to etch upgrades is acceptable. Network interfaces may completely lose any stable naming and may be randomly named after every reboot after sarge to etch upgrades unless you

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 29, Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember them being reliable. Sacrificing their reliability at the altar of boot speed (AIUI) wasn't really a good idea... No reliability will be sacrified, but some things will have to be implemented differently. -- ciao, Marco

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-30 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Marco d'Itri may or may not have written... On Dec 29, Darren Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember [%e etc.] being reliable. Sacrificing their reliability at the altar of boot speed (AIUI) wasn't really a good idea... No reliability will be sacrified, [...] That'd be

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-30 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Adrian von Bidder may or may not have written... [snip] stable Ethernet interface names suddenly becoming unstable in out of the box upgrades is not funny either. Yes, there are solutions, but at least one of these needs to be installed in a default installation of Debian.

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 29, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some component of debian will have to install a rules file with static aliases, and so far I think that this should be a task for d-i. Comments and other ideas are welcome. What will provide this for systems upgraded from sarge? Good

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Joey Hess
Marco d'Itri wrote: Good point. So it looks like that this will have to be managed by an installed package. I do not expect to be pratical to do this e.g. at boot time, so we need a script to be run by a catch-all rule for devices without an alias. BTW, does d-i actually need the /dev/cdrom

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Finn-Arne Johansen
Joey Hess wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: Good point. So it looks like that this will have to be managed by an installed package. I do not expect to be pratical to do this e.g. at boot time, so we need a script to be run by a catch-all rule for devices without an alias. BTW, does d-i actually need

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Thursday 29 December 2005 14.45, Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: Would it not be enough for apt if d-i created an fstab that linked /dev/hdX - /media/cdrom ? Won't work because the problem at hand is exactly that /dev/hdX won't necessarily be stable anymore. (and, once more, and much worse:

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 29, Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Won't work because the problem at hand is exactly that /dev/hdX won't necessarily be stable anymore. No: the /dev/[sh]d* devices are as stable as they have always been. ONLY rules using %e (the /dev/cdrom-like aliases) are unreliable.

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Marco d'Itri may or may not have written... On Dec 29, Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Won't work because the problem at hand is exactly that /dev/hdX won't necessarily be stable anymore. No: the /dev/[sh]d* devices are as stable as they have always been. Which is,

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 05:55:03PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: On Thursday 29 December 2005 14.45, Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: Would it not be enough for apt if d-i created an fstab that linked /dev/hdX - /media/cdrom ? Won't work because the problem at hand is exactly that /dev/hdX

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-29 Thread Joey Hess
Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: Would it not be enough for apt if d-i created an fstab that linked /dev/hdX - /media/cdrom ? Hmm, that's what it does, so maybe things will be ok. I don't know really what else might depend on there being a /dev/cdrom. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description:

stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
As you can see, %e will go away soon so /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules will not be supported anymore. Some component of debian will have to install a rules file with static aliases, and so far I think that this should be a task for d-i. Comments and other ideas are welcome. BTW, udevsend will go away

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-28 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 29 December 2005 01:00, Marco d'Itri wrote: Some component of debian will have to install a rules file with static aliases, and so far I think that this should be a task for d-i. Is this document still usable for writing udev rules? http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 29, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this document still usable for writing udev rules? http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html The basics are there, but since then many new features like support for environment variables have been added (they are documented in the man

Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 01:00:40AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: As you can see, %e will go away soon so /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules will not be supported anymore. Some component of debian will have to install a rules file with static aliases, and so far I think that this should be a task for d-i.

[OT: HUMOR] Re: stable aliases for CD drives

2005-12-28 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 01:00:40AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: As you can see, %e will go away soon so /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules will not be supported anymore. Some component of debian will have to install a rules file with static aliases, and