Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:54:05PM +0300, Arto Jantunen wrote: > Peter Hutterer writes: > > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 02:56:50PM +0300, Arto Jantunen wrote: > >> Is it possible to remap two finger tap to the middle button (button 2) > >> without remapping the right side

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

Peter Hutterer writes: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 02:56:50PM +0300, Arto Jantunen wrote: >> Is it possible to remap two finger tap to the middle button (button 2) >> without remapping the right side of the clickpad at the same time >> (set-button-map seems to only do

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Sun, 2016-07-17 at 14:56 +0300, Arto Jantunen wrote: > Peter Hutterer writes: > > > > [Disclaimer: I'm jumping in because of the LWN quote of the week > > and I'm > > just reconstructing the emails from the archives, I'm not > > subscribed. > > Apologies if the

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 02:56:50PM +0300, Arto Jantunen wrote: > Peter Hutterer writes: > > [Disclaimer: I'm jumping in because of the LWN quote of the week and I'm > > just reconstructing the emails from the archives, I'm not subscribed. > > Apologies if the thread

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

Peter Hutterer writes: > [Disclaimer: I'm jumping in because of the LWN quote of the week and I'm > just reconstructing the emails from the archives, I'm not subscribed. > Apologies if the thread breaks or any other side effects. Please keep me in > CC] After this list

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On 17/07/2016 05:49 , Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 01:57:13PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: libinput is a lot smarter than synaptics when it comes to palm detection. Question about libinput? The main reason why I'm using synclient because I have a Thinkpad T540p which doesn't

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 01:57:13PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: > libinput is a lot smarter than synaptics when it comes to palm > detection. Question about libinput? The main reason why I'm using synclient because I have a Thinkpad T540p which doesn't have hard buttons for the "mouse buttons".

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Thu, 2016-07-14 at 14:13 +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > The second component is that apparently tapping doesn't work when > > enabled. That's most probably a bug, file one against libinput at > > bugs.freedesktop.org and it'll get fixed. > > Done. For anyone still following along it is

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

[Disclaimer: I'm jumping in because of the LWN quote of the week and I'm just reconstructing the emails from the archives, I'm not subscribed. Apologies if the thread breaks or any other side effects. Please keep me in CC] On Tue, 2016-07-12 at 07:48 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > For me, the

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

[Disclaimer: I'm jumping in because of the LWN quote of the week and I'm just reconstructing the emails from the archives, I'm not subscribed. Apologies if the thread breaks or any other side effects. Please keep me in CC] On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 09:36:16AM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > On Mon,

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Thu, 2016-07-14 at 13:41 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: Thanks for the thorough analysis. > The second component is that apparently tapping doesn't work when > enabled. That's most probably a bug, file one against libinput at > bugs.freedesktop.org and it'll get fixed. Done.  Having to filing

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On 12 July 2016 at 19:29, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 06:39:28PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: >> On Tue, 2016-07-12 at 16:34 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: >> > GNOME 3.22 will be released before squeeze freezes >> >> That seems a little unlikely. :) > >

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 06:39:28PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Tue, 2016-07-12 at 16:34 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > GNOME 3.22 will be released before squeeze freezes > > That seems a little unlikely. :) Yeah, it was a mistake to name two close releases such similar names. We should

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Tue, 2016-07-12 at 16:34 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > GNOME 3.22 will be released before squeeze freezes That seems a little unlikely. :) Regards, Adam

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

Guus Sliepen writes ("Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics"): > I'm using XFCE, and recently when an apt-get upgrade caused the X server > to use libinput instead of the synaptics driver, I had a very difficult > time getting my touchpad c

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 at 12:52:08 +0200, 殷啟聰 wrote: > Probably making Wayland the default GNOME session is the simplest (but > impractical, probably) solution to this? I think GNOME 3.20 on Wayland still has too many "papercuts" to be something we can support as a long-term default. I'm using it

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

Hi everyone, I don't know if this as a feedback from a user helps. If you login GNOME in Wayland session, the touchpad settings comes back to the control panel. I have been using GNOME on Wayland for several weeks and nothing is bad. Probably making Wayland the default GNOME session is the

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > We thought about backporting synaptics support back for Stretch, to give > > more > > time to libinput to mature and to other DEs to add support for it. Not sure > > how > > much work that would be though. > > Ok, let's try to convince upstream

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 04:34:22PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > it has been some time that GNOME 3.20 users have been unable to configure > their touchpad[1] because: > 1/ xserver-xorg-input-synaptics cherry-picked an upstream commit[2] >that gives the priority to the synaptics driver to

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Tue, 2016-07-12 at 10:07 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I've been using the following script, with variations on the > parameters to find a working setup. The values below are the best I > could manage, and they aren't any good. > > #!/bin/sh > > synclient \ > TapButton1=1 \ >

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 03:52:56PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > Maybe libinput does the typing detection syndaemon does, but I can't > find any evidence for it. I remember trying the typing detection some years ago. It didn't help me much, since the order of events, for me, tend to be that the

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:45:49PM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote: > It's just probably that your config didn't have palm detection enabled > with the synaptics driver. `synclient | grep PalmDetect` would tell you. I've been using the following script, with variations on the parameters to find a

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 07:48:44AM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 09:36:16AM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > > Briefly: synaptics is much better touchpad driver than libinput. > > For me, the opposite is true. After Raphael's mail yesterday, I > switched from the synaptics

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

❦ 12 juillet 2016 06:48 CEST, Lars Wirzenius  : >> Briefly: synaptics is much better touchpad driver than libinput. > > For me, the opposite is true. For me too. When the switch was done to libinput, my touchpad was enabled again. I was first surprised but notice that palm

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Tue, 2016-07-12 at 07:48 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > After Raphael's mail yesterday, I switched from the synaptics driver > to the xinput one (by removing xserver-xort-input-synaptics) and > since then, I've not had a single case of moving the mouse or > clicking by tapping by accident. When

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 09:36:16AM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > Briefly: synaptics is much better touchpad driver than libinput. For me, the opposite is true. After Raphael's mail yesterday, I switched from the synaptics driver to the xinput one (by removing xserver-xort-input-synaptics) and

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Mon, 2016-07-11 at 23:51 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Well, if some KDE/XFCE/etc. packages work only with synaptics and not > with libinput, then we should get those packages updated to depend on > xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, no? I don't know about KDE/XFCE, but in the etc category is

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I'm starting now to prepare updated packages with the above changes > reverted... just to see how hard it is and whether it seems to work. Please find attached the two patches that I came up with. The packages compile and seem to work in so far that I

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On 11/07/16 18:48, Michael Biebl wrote: > Hi > > Am 11.07.2016 um 18:41 schrieb Raphael Hertzog: >> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >>> The other good option I can think of is to make GNOME prefer libinput by >>> passing >>> some options to X through gdm. No idea how feasible

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > > Looking at https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-xorg/debian/xorg.git I see > > that we have unreleased changes to not install the synaptics driver by > > default. Timo or Emilio, can you upload those changes? > > That would break non-GNOME

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

Hi Am 11.07.2016 um 18:41 schrieb Raphael Hertzog: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> The other good option I can think of is to make GNOME prefer libinput by >> passing >> some options to X through gdm. No idea how feasible that is. > > It would still break KDE or XFCE

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

Hi, On Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > On 11/07/16 16:34, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > The best solution would be to have gnome-control-center handle properly > > synaptics-managed touchpads but I don't think that upstream developers are > > very open to that idea given that they

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

On 11/07/16 16:34, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > [ Bcc debian-x and debian-gtk-gnome, discussion on -devel as the topic > crosses the boundaries of multiple teams ] > > Hello, > > it has been some time that GNOME 3.20 users have been unable to configure > their touchpad[1] because: > 1/

synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

[ Bcc debian-x and debian-gtk-gnome, discussion on -devel as the topic crosses the boundaries of multiple teams ] Hello, it has been some time that GNOME 3.20 users have been unable to configure their touchpad[1] because: 1/ xserver-xorg-input-synaptics cherry-picked an upstream commit[2]