systemd is here to stay, get over it now (was: Re: Pinning vs. conflicting)

2014-07-03 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Folks, Le jeudi, 3 juillet 2014, 14.20:24 Juliusz Chroboczek a écrit : Isn't the proper solution to add blacklisting support to dpkg, then? The proper solution is to stop trying to hide ourselves from to the fact that some sort of systemd interfaces have been made unavoidable in modern

Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now (was: Re: Pinning vs. conflicting)

2014-07-03 Thread Alexander Pushkin
Didier, Hello. The proper solution is to stop trying to hide ourselves from to the fact that some sort of systemd interfaces have been made unavoidable in modern desktop environments (fact which is rightfully reflected in our dependencies tree). Can we get over this now and start making

Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now (was: Re: Pinning vs. conflicting)

2014-07-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Alexander Pushkin: It's core developers *Its. I think we can do without (quite unfounded, IMHO) insinuations that systemd is somehow infected with an NSA-sponsored backdoor or two, thank you very much. Please respect our decision to stay away from systemd and still be Debian users. If

Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now (was: Re: Pinning vs. conflicting)

2014-07-03 Thread Axel Wagner
Hi, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de writes: Please respect our decision to stay away from systemd and still be Debian users. If possible, please, don't resist changes that make our lives easier. *Sigh*. The problem is not that anybody resists such changes. I disagree. People *do* in