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Theodore Ts'o writes ("Re: recommends for apparmor in newest linux-image-4.13"):
> [something about] security-weenies
IMO this language is completely inappropriate in any formal Debian
context.
Furthermore, the targets of this insult don't deserve it, because
there are real scenarios where "fail
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On 12/04/2017 04:41 PM, eamanu15 . wrote:
>>3- if yes, let the user decide:
>>
>> "Your network card/wifi adapter needs non-free spftware to operate. You
>> may choose to keep this install 100% free software, in which case you
>> will have no network connection until you plug-in a supported
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On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 06:49:05PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > There are alternatives?
>
> always.
Non-x86, I assume.
--
WBR, wRAR
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On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 08:21:21PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 10:34:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >Holger Levsen writes:
> >
> >>yes, I also agree this would work and be better than the status-quo.
> >>however I'm inclined to believe doing
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 10:34:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> For the discoverability, I would be quite comfortable with putting both
> the free and the non-free download links prominantly on the page with the
> non-free link going to or closely tied with a page that discusses the
> issues,
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 11:41:34PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> There are alternatives?
always.
--
cheers,
Holger
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Am 04.12.2017 um 19:03 schrieb Holger Levsen:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 05:36:30PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)"):
>>> Myself, I would prefer us to keep both the free-software-only ISO and
>>> the non-free ISO with firmware
Hello,
On Mon, Dec 04 2017, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
> I vote for:
>1- putting the non-free firmware on all our images,
This seems more controversial than it needs to be, and misses an
opportunity for us to express our values.
Why are you against maintaining the fullly free images alongside
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 05:36:30PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)"):
> > Myself, I would prefer us to keep both the free-software-only ISO and
> > the non-free ISO with firmware and other things needed to get typical
> >
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On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 10:34:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Holger Levsen writes:
yes, I also agree this would work and be better than the status-quo.
however I'm inclined to believe doing this and adding a fourth repo,
non-free-firmware (additionally to main, contrib
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Holger Levsen writes:
> yes, I also agree this would work and be better than the status-quo.
> however I'm inclined to believe doing this and adding a fourth repo,
> non-free-firmware (additionally to main, contrib and non-free) would be
> even better and also not need a
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Andrey Rahmatullin writes:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 10:34:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> For the discoverability, I would be quite comfortable with putting both
>> the free and the non-free download links prominantly on the page with
>> the non-free link going to or closely
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On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 10:34 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Holger Levsen writes:
>
> > yes, I also agree this would work and be better than the status-quo.
> > however I'm inclined to believe doing this and adding a fourth repo,
> > non-free-firmware (additionally to main,
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 23:41:34 +0500
Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 10:34:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > For the discoverability, I would be quite comfortable with putting both
> > the free and the non-free download links prominantly on the page with the
>
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On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> No, not really. I want the installation to end up with a *more*
> predictable set of packages. Attempting to do any sort of harware based
> package selection will result in less predictability.
Understood.
> Imagine a Debian user trying to
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On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 21:01 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> I end up needing non-free firmware on most bare metal systems, but
> nothing else from non-free. I never remember how to include it at
> installation time. And I don't want us to gloss over the fact that
> it is non-free and therefore not
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On Dec 04, Russ Allbery wrote:
> +1. I think firmware is something conceptually different than non-free
> software in general, and it would be good to give users a simple way to
> choose to enable non-free firmware without enabling other non-free
> software.
Me too.
Mostly
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 11:46:37PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Dec 04, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> > +1. I think firmware is something conceptually different than non-free
> > software in general, and it would be good to give users a simple way to
> > choose to enable non-free
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On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 11:18:21PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> I guess the question from my side is if the list of archive components
> in §5 of the Social Contract is supposed to be exhaustive or not. I.e.
> if we need to change that or not. If we don't need to: yay. (Maybe
> because we
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On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 05:56:45PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Theodore Ts'o writes ("Re: recommends for apparmor in newest
> linux-image-4.13"):
> > [something about] security-weenies
>
> IMO this language is completely inappropriate in any formal Debian
> context.
The second definition from
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On 04.12.2017 19:03, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 05:36:30PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)"):
>>> Myself, I would prefer us to keep both the free-software-only ISO and
>>> the non-free ISO with firmware and
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On 05.12.2017 00:11, Adam Borowski wrote:
> How exactly firmware is not software?
> We may take a concession and offer non-free or parts of non-free more
> prominently (as it's needed on modern x86, all wifi cards I've seen, etc),
> but let's not declare that non-software.
>
> Thus, until the
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On Dec 04, Michael Lustfield wrote:
> As long as I avoid Nvidia, I usually have excellent luck finding systems
> (specifically laptops) that work well without anything from non-free. With
> servers, I usually need something for the networking drivers but nothing else.
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:45:33AM +0800, Yao Wei wrote:
> About alternatives, I found it difficult to buy a brand-new laptop with
> 802.11ac wifi chip which is available on the market. All of them
> requires firmware or even non-free Linux modules.
All wifi chips use firmware so this is a bad
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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> Yes, I've never managed to get d-i to find firmware I've put on a USB
> myself, and always resorted to this approach. I never got around to
> reading the source to figure out where it expects to look (nor to
> improve the docs etc.)
The
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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:18 AM, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 04.12.2017 19:03, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> yes, I also agree this would work and be better than the status-quo.
>> however I'm inclined to believe doing this and adding a fourth repo,
>> non-free-firmware (additionally to main, contrib and
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 06:49:05PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 11:41:34PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> > There are alternatives?
>
> always.
>
>
> --
> cheers,
> Holger
About alternatives, I found it difficult to buy a brand-new laptop with
802.11ac wifi
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