Chow Loong Jin hyperair at debian.org writes:
For the record, there's CONFIG_BINFMT_SCRIPT, which when disabled, causes
all
#! scripts to be run under /bin/sh unconditionally.
*everything* runs under /bin/sh, including Perl, Python, and Bash scripts.
Yes, and /bin/sh is supposed to parse
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:27:01AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Chow Loong Jin hyperair at debian.org writes:
For the record, there's CONFIG_BINFMT_SCRIPT, which when disabled, causes
all
#! scripts to be run under /bin/sh unconditionally.
*everything* runs under /bin/sh, including
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:16:15 Undefined User wrote:
The problem is that right now Debian project is changing its default
desktop environment, and I think that this is not a good move. Of course,
it all depends on where the
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:27:01AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
For the record, there's CONFIG_BINFMT_SCRIPT, which when disabled, causes
all
#! scripts to be run under /bin/sh unconditionally.
*everything* runs under /bin/sh, including Perl, Python, and Bash scripts.
Yes, and
Chow Loong Jin wrote...
Some references would be helpful. I can't seem to find anything on this
through
some cursory googling.
Perl scripts, when installed by ExtUtils::MakeMaker or similar, do
have
| eval 'exec /usr/bin/perl -S $0 ${1+$@}'
| if 0; # not running under some shell
in
In other news for Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 05:24:50PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin has
been seen typing:
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:27:01AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Chow Loong Jin hyperair at debian.org writes:
Yes, and /bin/sh is supposed to parse the shebang and call out to
the interpreter.
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
Are you sure about this?
Yes.
Some references would be helpful. I can't seem to find anything on this
through
Sure. I’ve patched mksh to use “#?” ipv “#!” as shebang, to
simulate a kernel not supporting the shebang:
Index: exec.c
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 12:58:23PM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Are you sure about this?
Yes.
Some references would be helpful. I can't seem to find anything on this
through
Sure. I’ve patched mksh
mksh doesn't count as a reference.
some cursory googling.
Try duckduckgoïng
Hi,
Thorsten Glaser t.gla...@tarent.de writes:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
Are you sure about this?
Yes.
Some references would be helpful. I can't seem to find anything on this
through
Sure. I’ve patched mksh to use “#?” ipv “#!” as shebang, to
simulate a kernel not
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
I'm interested where POSIX says what you are sure it says (that the
shell is responsible for evaluating #!).
I said the shell is supposed to, and suggested to search POSIX, but
I wasn’t sure that it was POSIX standardised, and never said so. As
you
* Thorsten Glaser t.gla...@tarent.de, 2014-04-04, 12:58:
Try duckduckgoïng instead ☻ or searching POSIX, or something.
SUSv4 “helpfully” says:
If the first line of a file of shell commands starts with the characters
#!, the results are unspecified.
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In data venerdì 04 aprile 2014 17.38.12, Andrey Rahmatullin ha scritto:
Sure. I’ve patched mksh
mksh doesn't count as a reference.
Did you even read before replying? He patched it to use #? Instead of #! that
was using.
He was sure about it being there because he had patched it to behave
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 02:00:46PM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
I'm interested where POSIX says what you are sure it says (that the
shell is responsible for evaluating #!).
I said the shell is supposed to, and suggested to search POSIX, but
I wasn’t sure that it was POSIX standardised,
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 02:04:32PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
Sure. I’ve patched mksh
mksh doesn't count as a reference.
Did you even read before replying? He patched it to use #? Instead of #! that
was using.
He was sure about it being there because he had patched it to behave
Well, it's almost impossible to avoid personal judgments on this matter.
This involves personal taste. But when talking about new users or
not-that-advanced users, I'm really suggesting Gnome 3 to be the choice
of the project.
I know that its size is bigger than Xfce and it takes more resources,
previously on this list Undefined User contributed:
It's not about Gnome, Xfce or whatever desktop environment being focused
only on touchscreen devices or identical to a mobile platform (that would
be terrible for everyone), but at least something that doesn't make people
think that Debian
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 10:03:46AM -0300, Undefined User wrote:
This involves personal taste. But when talking about new users or
not-that-advanced users, I'm really suggesting Gnome 3 to be the choice
of the project.
But what are your definitions of „new users”? Someone who has never used
[Please don't top post on this mailing list.]
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 10:03:46AM -0300, Undefined User wrote:
Well, it's almost impossible to avoid personal judgments on this matter.
This involves personal taste. But when talking about new users or
not-that-advanced users, I'm really
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of *no*
default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
necessary.
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Perfect solution.
Debian installer should provide you information about desktop environments
and let the user choose it.
2014-04-04 10:52 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org:
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of
*no*
default. You must pick one from
Sorry for not deleting the reply text over my last e-mail.
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On 04/04/2014 09:57 AM, Undefined User wrote:
Sorry for not deleting the reply text over my last e-mail.
Actually, for all that top-posting is a sin, failing to quote at all
when replying is AFAIK generally considered even worse...
(Depending on
Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
As far as I understand Gnome3 needs more resources than XFCE
This is mostly irrelevant. The resources consumed by the desktop are
negligible compared to applications. As soon as you start a browser with
a few tabs on non-trivial
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:13:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
and modern hardware.
This is no longer a requirement in jessie, at least on x86 where
llvmpipe is now accepted as a GL engine.
Ah, thank you.
The default
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 02:52:41PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of *no*
default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
necessary.
And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuck
2014-04-04 11:42 GMT-03:00 Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org:
And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuck
choosing among names that are absolutely obscure to him like GNOME,
Xfce, and KDE?
Not giving the user a taste of the options, well... Yes, I agree, it's
pretty
2014-04-04 11:04 GMT-03:00 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm:
Actually, for all that top-posting is a sin, failing to quote at all
when replying is AFAIK generally considered even worse...
(Depending on context, of course; in a Web forum where the message being
replied to is probably still
Hi,
as I've just been affected by #700266 fetchmail: --sslfingerprint uses MD5
I wonder if someone is tracking all the bugs related to using md5 hashes kind
of like how we track bugs in software not supporting ipv6.
User debian-secur...@lists.debian.org
Usertag 700266 md5
maybe?
cheers,
On 2014-04-03, Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org wrote:
As KDE fan I do not like Gnome. Those who forget to choose DE in instal=
ler=20
Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
because it is completely awesome.
Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default
On 04/04/2014 10:36 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote:
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:13:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 avril 2014 à 15:25 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
and modern hardware.
This is no longer a requirement in jessie, at least on x86 where
llvmpipe is now accepted as a
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:42:19PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuck
choosing among names that are absolutely obscure to him like GNOME,
Xfce, and KDE?
No, just say pick a random one. Surely they'll all be entirely appropriate
On 04.04.2014 17:15, Hashem Nasarat wrote:
On the other hand, experienced users are familiar enough to install
whichever environment they wish. Perhaps a compromise is to have GNOME
the default and then XFCE as a bare-bones GUI or something.
Why then install an alternative at all. Experienced
previously on this list people contributed:
Why then install an alternative at all. Experienced users install what
they want anyways. The DEs working best for unexperienced users would
be the DEs that do much work themselves,
Xfce allows more options and choice by default on a cd and
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
because it is completely awesome.
Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default because then we
don't have all sorts of weird wishes about oh noes. networkmanager or
Please
Is it a bad idea in the end not to include a desktop at all,
and the user can install one at their own discretion?
On 4/4/2014 8:55 AM, Undefined User wrote:
Perfect solution.
Debian installer should provide you information about desktop
environments and let the user choose it.
2014-04-04
2014-04-04 14:46 GMT-03:00 Amy Rice pill.dic...@aol.co.uk:
Is it a bad idea in the end not to include a desktop at all,
and the user can install one at their own discretion?
The Debian Installer lets you choose if you want to install a desktop
environment or not. By default it comes checked
Hi,
On Freitag, 4. April 2014, Russ Allbery wrote:
We should change the default desktop environment with each release so that
each maintenance team gets to share in the fun! It's like a giant hazing
ritual. :)
wow, the quality of debian-devel has really degraded. Russ starts trolling...
at
El 03/04/14 22:15, Norbert Preining escribió:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014, Stephen Allen wrote:
Like the OP - I didn't like Gnome-Shell at first, but after giving it a
month I really started enjoying it. It's also mature and being worked on
extensively. Not something one can say about Xfce4 at this
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:28:26 -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org
wrote:
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
because it is completely awesome.
Other parts of me is happy that it is not the default because then we
don't
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:04:37 -0400, The Wanderer
wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
(Depending on context, of course; in a Web forum where the message being
replied to is probably still visible when reading the reply, quoting
would be inapproriate. But we're talking about E-mail here.)
And e-mail
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On 04/04/2014 03:39 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:04:37 -0400, The Wanderer
wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
(Depending on context, of course; in a Web forum where the message
being replied to is probably still visible when reading
Control: reassign -1 wnpp
On Vi, 04 apr 14, 23:25:42, Danial Jose wrote:
package: memoizable
Severity: wishlist
Owner: 'Danial José' danialj...@gmail.com
*Package Name : memoizable
Version : 0.3.2
Upstream Author : Dan Kubb, Erik Michaels-Ober (Author name/s of the Gem).
*URL :
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 12:59:35PM +1300, Matt Grant wrote:
Systemd package support is the thing that pushed me over the edge about
this. There are no systemd unit files at all for ipsec-tools/racoon
that I know of. Please advise me otherwise, and I will look at putting
them in the current
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 16:19 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 04:42:19PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
And can I pass my granddad's phone call on to you when he is stuck
choosing among names that are absolutely obscure to him like GNOME,
Xfce, and KDE?
No, just
Wolodja Wentland deb...@babilen5.org writes:
...
One thing I dislike about switching the default DE is that it puts a lot of
people active in support in a position in which they might not actually be as
familiar with the DE they will end up supporting most frequently simply by
having learned a
2014-04-04 19:52 GMT-03:00 Philip Hands p...@hands.com:
pointless discussion
First of all, great attitude, my friend. It seems like you are a very
reasonable person. Second, pointless discussion? So all these people here
are just wasting time? Well... What can I say? That's your point of view
On 05/04/14 00:52, Philip Hands wrote:
Anyway, to return to the main point, I do wonder why nobody has bothered
to mention that the reason for the switch was that Gnome no longer fits
on CD#1.
If that were true, we could surely fix it. If it were true.
Emilio
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On 04/04/14 21:38, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:28:26 -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org
wrote:
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
Part of me wants to have KDE Plasma Desktop as the default workspace,
because it is completely awesome.
Other parts of me is happy that it is
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How about something completely different: Enlinghtenment?
No, I'm not kidding
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Undefined User unknowuse...@gmail.com writes:
2014-04-04 19:52 GMT-03:00 Philip Hands p...@hands.com:
pointless discussion
First of all, great attitude, my friend. It seems like you are a very
reasonable person. Second, pointless discussion? So all these people here
are just wasting time?
2014-04-04 20:36 GMT-03:00 Philip Hands p...@hands.com:
As for my grumpy tone, I apologise for that -- it probably comes from
the several voluminous threads on debian-devel recently spouting drivel
about systemd which I may have unfairly associated with this thread.
Philip, I would like to
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 23:52 +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
Wolodja Wentland deb...@babilen5.org writes:
...
One thing I dislike about switching the default DE is that it puts a lot of
people active in support in a position in which they might not actually be
as
familiar with the DE they
On 04/04/14 00:50, Stephen Allen wrote:
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
I think Xfce is much better *default* desktop environment (DE) than Gnome.
As KDE fan I do not like Gnome. Those who forget to choose DE in installer
(just like I did more than once) and
Hi,
Thorsten Glaser:
tglase@tglase:~ $ cat x
#?/usr/bin/python
import sys
print sys.version
tglase@tglase:~ $ ls -l x
-rwxr-xr-x 1 tglase tglase 47 Apr 4 12:54 x
tglase@tglase:~ $ ./x
import.im6: unable to grab mouse ': Resource temporarily unavailable @
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 12:32:45AM +0100, Roger Lynn wrote:
On 04/04/14 00:50, Stephen Allen wrote:
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
I think Xfce is much better *default* desktop environment (DE) than Gnome.
As KDE fan I do not like Gnome. Those who forget
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 12:36:30AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
Undefined User unknowuse...@gmail.com writes:
2014-04-04 19:52 GMT-03:00 Philip Hands p...@hands.com:
pointless discussion
First of all, great attitude, my friend. It seems like you are a very
reasonable person. Second,
On 04/04/2014 09:55 PM, Undefined User wrote:
2014-04-04 10:52 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org
mailto:j...@debian.org:
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour
of *no*
default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
On 04/04/2014 10:42 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 02:52:41PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
We go over the same ground over and over. I'm increasingly in favour of *no*
default. You must pick one from a list on install. Randomize the list if
necessary.
And can I pass
John Holland dijo [Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 07:27:11PM -0400]:
How about something completely different: Enlinghtenment?
No, I'm not kidding
If we are offering users something different, we should go for
technical excellence. And I have never seen a group where tiling
window managers are
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