I have prepared packages for OpenAxiom:
https://github.com/ip1981/open-axiom-debian
OpenAxiom is a descendent of the AXIOM computer algebra system.
From home page http://www.open-axiom.org/ :
OpenAxiom is an open source platform for symbolic, algebraic, and numerical
computations.
It offers an
I think dh_make is not so good for *simple* package,
and is not good at all :-)
2011/8/31 Henri Le Foll li...@lefoll.eu
Hi Stéphane,
I have just created some pages on the wiki :
http://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Minimal (for empty packages)
http://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Trivial (for a
Try to create packages and promote them into Debian repos ;-)
2011/10/19 Adel Hassan hassana...@gmail.com
Dear all,
I am looking for a Debian tutorial and Debian Certification to improve and
enhance my Debian skills.
Any ideas???
Regards,
Adel
What is the future of zlib1g package with multi-arch?
Now there are zlib1g with nativbe libz, and lib32z (or lib64z)
for other arch.
Does it make sence to keep only libz instead of zlib1g?
Hi, all.
I have ported dctrl-tools to use autotools [1].
My motivation was to use gnulib on non-gnu platforms (namely Solaris).
The only thing I didn't is using po4a.
If it does make sense I'm also thinking to rearrange apt sources.
[1] https://github.com/ip1981/dctrl-tools
+1. Also there is no much difference between unstable and testing.
2011/12/3 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
so what is the difference, I am using unstable and it rolls
mike
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:59 PM, pei deng walleker...@gmail.com wrote:
I think debian should release
2012/4/2 Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com
And the third advantage of it, is that upstream people is starting to ship
systemd unit files.
It is not advantage. it is crap. I believe no one can write and support
init/systemd/whatsoever scripts sutable for many distributions and their
When I meet circular build deps:
1. Just get sources and try to build, satisfying what possible.
Some deps required for docs or tests and may be ignored for the first time.
2. If a build dep is really required to build (I remember x11-utils), I
install it separately
from sources into /usr/local
2012/5/4 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com
x11-utils
xfonts-utils
2012/5/7 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
Where we disagree is mostly the policy - is that enabled by default?
(potentially bad)
What if a service gets restarted multiple times? (infinite loop)
Do we want to add a general notifier? (send an email, foo crashed, I
restarted it)
All these
I can get #651620 (rocksndiamonds)
I fixed this some time ago for Slackware.
2012/5/13 Niels Thykier ni...@thykier.net
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Hash: SHA256
Hi,
We are considering removing the following packages from testing as they
have unfixed RC bugs filed against them. The
Hi,
Is there anybody familar with Solaris IPS manifests [1]?
They are terrible and unflexible, but allow describing users, permissions
etc.
I thinks post/pre/install/remove scripts are create advantage, cause
they allow do dirty things *iff* needed.
[1]
Hi, all.
I think it's time to announce, that I've been working on a new Debian
port from the last fall.
This is Debian on illumos kernel (formerly OpenSolaris) - http://osdyson.org
It really aims to be *general-purpose* OS, not a server, a destop or
an appliance.
I was motivated because Nexenta
Do you have any concrete plan to make
a Debian port out of your project, aiming
full integration into Debian?
Full integration into Debian is a big challenge,
it could be #3 among these large steps:
1. Make self-hosted distribution with illumos kernel and libc
2. Port glibc
3. Full
Relax :-)
It is a hardware problem.
Just keep doing your regular job till SDD become more robust.
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For git we have gitweb, gitolite, git-daemon, pristine-tar.
I'd like to have similar for bzr, hg and svn.
It's not about technology, but about collaboration.
That's why I prefer git.
2012/10/17 Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:31:00 -0700, Steve Langasek
2012/10/17 Hideki Yamane henr...@debian.or.jp:
No, LP is good website for development with collaboration.
Can I have my own LP, please?
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2012/10/18 Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org:
bzr serve is the equivalent of git-daemon and it is builtin
loggerhead is replacement for gitweb
Last time I tried it, it seemed to support only one repository.
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I will fill your bugreports for $1.99 per bug :-)
2012/10/19 Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org:
[Kelly Clowers]
But I basically never report bugs. I have used Sid for years, and in
fact I often don't notice bugs in my personal workflow (maybe if I
can think of myself as a user? I notice
2012/10/25 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
It may just mean you've managed to send
your request to the wrong place
As I see, almost all debian guys are so courteous that they point to the
right place.
Do not kick me, but in Solaris, there are :
1) special ELF section .SUNW_ldynsym extending .dynsym [1]
2) .SUNW_ctf with CTF data [2]
3) Function args are saved in stack for amd64
But from my point all it exists because Solaris lacks robust
package manager :-)
[1]
These are not *linux* problems.
2012/11/3 Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 07:30:00PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Don't feed the troll.
It's not trolling.
It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
problems.
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I took OpenIndiana and started to rebuild Debian packages ignoring formal
dependencies.
Each new package was install via dpkg-deb -x :-)
2012/11/14 Philip Ashmore cont...@philipashmore.com
simple format which, like xml, is human-readable
XML is not human-readable :-)
Hi there!
I see many note in this list like:
I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me.
So I'd like to note:
1. Some e-mail cleints make it hard not to CC. For example GMail has only
two options: reply and reply to all. Reply will send email to the author,
not to the list
2. Some
2012/11/29 Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org:
glibc and the kernel is developed by the same group of companies. Both
interact very closely and integration of the sources was the natural
consequence.
Please, *DONT* :-)
I've tired of this crap on illumos
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2012/12/2 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net:
No, that's not sufficient. You may want relations between key-value
pair. For instance, if you have a line with a key foo, then a line
with a key bar must also exist. Or a line with a key number must
have a value that is a number (more generally
Hi, all.
For obvious reasons I cannot find [in the Net] a way how to setup a
package browser
similar to one used at http://packages.debian.org or at
http://packages.ubuntu.com
Could anybody point me in the right direction?
Once again: I'd like to have debian package browser on my site.
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Hi!
The source code for packages.debian.org is available in this git
repository:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=webwml/packages.git;a=summary
Thanks!
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Guys, it looks like you are looking for The Silver Bullet.
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2012/12/7 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
This is list is for development of Debian, your question should be
posted on debian-user instead (or one of the debian-user-language
lists).
This makes me think that the right list have been choosen: :-)
I have ported debian-squeeze on my
2012/12/22 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de:
Hi,
I am currently trying to figure out how to get the new UAE fork
fs-uae [1] ready for Debian and I haven't yet found a satisfiable
way to build the package.
fs-uae itself is written in C, but it ships together with a
What is the defference:
1. Insert a new stage between stable and testing
and
2. double the period of automatic migration from unstable to testing?
m? :-)
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Before filling a bug, I need a review :-)
The patch fo screen.cc [1] introduces the function CheckTtyname():
int
CheckTtyname (tty)
char *tty;
{
struct stat st;
if (lstat(tty, st) || !S_ISCHR(st.st_mode) ||
(st.st_nlink 1 strncmp(tty, /dev/, 5)))
return -1;
return 0;
Did I break anything?
Too paranoid?
Index: screen/tty.sh
===
--- screen.orig/tty.sh 2013-01-26 07:55:33.092171499 +
+++ screen/tty.sh 2013-01-26 08:56:34.254462991 +
@@ -1505,12 +1505,29 @@
CheckTtyname (tty)
char
I'd rather drop checking for path at all.
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I guess you meant PATH_MAX here, in any case POSIX does not guarantee
MAX variables to be defined, it would be better to use the POSIX.1-2008
variant of realpath(3) that allocates when passed a NULL (by checking
if it's available at configure time).
I thought my libc did not support it, but
So, do you mean it is good to do realpath() and only then stat() etc.?
CheckTtyname (tty)
{
realpath;
check real path;
}
?
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Index: screen/tty.sh
===
--- screen.orig/tty.sh 2013-01-27 02:16:57.916935245 +
+++ screen/tty.sh 2013-01-27 02:33:12.831241123 +
@@ -1506,11 +1506,21 @@
char *tty;
{
struct stat st;
+ char * real;
2013/1/30 Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de:
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:25:12 +, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com
wrote:
To be fair, it's similar in reverse. Some Debian developers prefer to
_not_ install Ruby *at all*. Given how utterly awful the internals of
the language implementation
The package llvm-3.0-source includes tarball /usr/src/llvm-3.0/llvm-3.0.tar.xz.
This tarball seems to include original llvm sources without Debian patches.
clang-3.0 uses that tarball to build itself, obviously without Debian patches.
Should llvm source package include *patched* sources?
Or, at
2013/2/6 Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org:
On 07/02/2013 01:35, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Which would be the wrong way of doing things / wrong reason
for using root as running user, since you can set the
CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE capability... (man capabilities ...)
Yeah, I figured as much, but
Hi all.
Some manpages describe several utilities in one page,
so I have to create symlink for manpages, e. g. dcopy.1.gz - clri.1.gz
(while clri.1.gz is installed with dh_installman).
The thing I concern it that I need to know exact file name for link target.
If I write foo.1m in d/XXX.manpages,
2013/2/11 Kartik Mistry kartik.mis...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any handy way to link manpages? That is I could just write
`bar` is described in `foo`. I know about .so, but looks urgly because
debhelper finally replaces
2013/2/11 Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org:
The thing I concern it that I need to know exact file name for link
target.
Why is that a problem?
Because final file name is out of my control :-)
It is controlled by dh_installman and dh_compress
I have foo.1 in d/xxx.manpages, and only want to have
Does it make sense?
1. Extend d/xxx.manpages to form:
bar.1 foo.1
2. dh_installman will create symlink bar.1 - foo.1
3. dh_compress will take care of symlinks, e. i.:
a) compress foo.1 to foo.1.gz (or whatever)
b) rm bar.1
c) create symlink bar.1.gz - foo.1.gz
I remember such a thing in
And http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html
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a) compress foo.1 to foo.1.gz (or whatever)
b) rm bar.1
c) create symlink bar.1.gz - foo.1.gz
hm.. dh_compress does it already.
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2013/2/11 Arno Töll a...@debian.org:
Hi,
On 11.02.2013 13:46, Игорь Пашев wrote:
I have foo.1 in d/xxx.manpages, and only want to have
bar.1 - foo.1, no matter where foo.1 get its location
or how it is compressed.
You should not use symlinks, but source pages such tasks [1].
Install
2013/2/12 Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org:
There is, as far as I can see, no code in dh_installman that forces the
section to upper-case.
I guess this is due to .TH
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2013/2/12 Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org:
IMO it's rational to patch manual pages to lower-case the section in
such cases, and forward that patch upstream so you don't need to
continue maintaining it. You'd have to do the same thing if they
specified an entirely wrong section number, which
Suddenly, I've found that grub2 knows about kopensolaris [1]
Could anybody say how it happened?
Any experience on using Grub2 with ZFS root?
And even more: on OpenSolaris?
[1] http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/grub2
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Hi, all!
It was a long and hard way, but here it is. The new LiveCD.
http://osdyson.org/news/20
This is the last stage before creating installable port of Debian on illumos.
What is Dyson - http://osdyson.org/projects/dyson/wiki
It uses 64-bit (amd64) illumos kernel, libc (not glibc yet), and
Hi, all.
While trying to build GRUB on illumos [*-pc-solaris2.11], I've found that
for different absolute addresses (-Wl,-Ttext -Wl,ADDR) objcopy -O binary
produces different objects files, but it is expected to be the same.
Test script see at the bottom.
I've checked it with binutils 2.22 on
2013/3/30 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com:
Hi, all.
While trying to build GRUB on illumos [*-pc-solaris2.11], I've found that
for different absolute addresses (-Wl,-Ttext -Wl,ADDR) objcopy -O binary
produces different objects files, but it is expected to be the same.
Building grub-legacy
Actually, grub-legacy is buildable... Probably, some patches make it possible.
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2013/3/30 Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net:
This is something to do with the .note.gnu.build-id.
Both of these alternatives give three identical object files:
Removing this section in objcopy:
$OBJCOPY -R .note.gnu.build-id ...
Or requesting that the linker not generate it in the first
I've just realized that debian/rules might not be a makefile, but can
be a script in any language.
Is there any package using debian/rules whihc is not a makefile?
Are there any packages that can get advantages by using debian/rules
written in bash/perl/python/etc?
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2013/4/5 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl:
The policy says
Indeed.
So, in any case one can use its own tool just like dh:
%:
debian/megatool $@
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Progress, reported by debootstrap does not look monotonic.
Do I miss something?
.
254
255 P: 2243294 76407470
256
257 P: 2289076 76407470 - HERE
258
259 I: VALIDATING
260
261 IA: aptitude
262
263 IF: Validating %s
264
265 I: RETRIEVING
266
267 IA:
Hi, all.
Now, /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Shlibs.pm defines default library search path as:
use constant DEFAULT_LIBRARY_PATH =
qw(/lib /usr/lib /lib32 /usr/lib32 /lib64 /usr/lib64
/emul/ia32-linux/lib /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib);
and adds multiarch dirs only for crosscompiling:
if
2013/4/16 Paul Wise p...@debian.org:
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Игорь Пашев wrote:
Now, /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Shlibs.pm defines default library search path as:
Sounds like a topic for the debian-dpkg list?
No.
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2013/4/16 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Игорь Пашев wrote:
I think it would be better to add multiarch dirs to DEFAULT_LIBRARY_PATH,
and put them in first positions.
Why?
This modules tries to mimick ld.so's logic to find libraries as closely
as possible.
/lib
2013/4/16 Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:11:24 +0400
No - there's confusion here between the runtime link path and the
build time link path. Dpkg::Shlibs at the point quoted is concerned
with the build time paths. Where to find the stuff which has been
linked
Hi, all!
In a shadow of Debian 7 release, Dyson - a Debian port to illumos kernel -
became self-hosted and now has an installer :-)
http://osdyson.org/projects/dyson/wiki/Dyson_Installer
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2013/5/6 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl:
I just tried it and ported some stuff to it, it seems that its libc is
pretty bizarre. For example math functions in C++ require quite a bunch
of manual work (you need to explicitely cast all arguments unless they
happen to be float, double or long
2013/5/6 Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name:
There is also a related thing that was discussed in the past: stop
disabling services via /etc/default.
Modern service management systems might be better choice.
E. g. systemd or SMF :-P
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2013/5/7 Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org:
Not when you have a 500 meg internal storage that the firmware boots off
of, and using a multi-gig CF card to store the mega-awesome-app you're
using it for.
Similar to Live CDs where /usr used to be compressed on a CD?
2013/5/7 Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org:
Hello,
As Guillem asked me in a bug report (#695620), I'm bringing this to
debian-devel.
The latest version of libselinux is now using libpcre3 instead of the
regex functions from the glibc. This is improving the performances
quite
Currently /var/lib contains data for system utilities (dpkg, apt,
aptitute) and for user application like databases.
What about moving default location for applications to /export ?
Think about modern fs like btrfs and zfs:
One may want to create a snapshot of the entire system, user data
Hi, I think I know one more issue related to this, correct me if it is not.
This might be a problem for systemd, but I will talk about SMF [1] and
concrete example - dbus.
1. dbus package includes SMF manifest
2. for dbus service to appear, its manifest should be imported
3. importing manifests
2013/5/7 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org:
We don't use dpkg triggers to start (systemd) services.
Hm?
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-systemd/systemd.git;a=blob;f=debian/systemd.triggers;h=f6c3c0ce0da08815f366868d3b3a3f9e5907875f;hb=refs/heads/debian
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2013/5/7 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org:
If you actually looked at the package, you would have noticed that it has
nothing to do with starting services.
Maybe, systemctl enable does not start the service?
Main question is: can triggers be activated before package is
configured (namely
2013/5/8 Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org:
Игорь Пашев pashev.igor at gmail.com writes:
What about moving default location for applications to /export ?
*NO*!
Maybe not /export, but /srv, which already exists, the idea is
separating system data and application data.
(Actually, I do not like
2013/5/8 Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org:
Wrong list, please bring this up instead on fhs-discuss. (If that
still exists - it looks a bit stale - but anyway, debian-devel is not
for FHS discussion.)
I'd like to have an open discussion.
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2013/5/8 Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org:
How about moving /home
into /usr?
I proposed exactly an opposite thing for databases :-)
If do not like /usr/home, you might not like to have your data under
/var/lib ;-)
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2013/5/8 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
The FHS has the perfect place for such data: /srv. I agree we should
move the data there, but there is no reason to invent a new place.
Yeah. /export was my typo ;-)
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2013/5/8 Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name:
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 03:51:33PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
How about moving /etc into /home? How about moving /home
into /usr?
Note that / was moved to /usr and /usr to /home just for HDD size reasons
[1].
[1]:
=== BEFORE =
$ sudo apt-get install dbus
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Suggested packages:
dbus-x11
The following NEW packages will be installed:
dbus
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not
2013/5/8 Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org:
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:49:37PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote:
Does it matter? If libselinux depends on libpcre3, libpcre3 will be pulled.
I believed all libraries are optional.
Please re-read the policy, especially 2.5:
| Packages must not depend
2013/5/11 Aron Xu a...@debian.org:
An easy example is that, on Solaris, there is a something called boot
environment (BE), which is essentially snapshots of the combination of
/usr and /boot, users can switch between different BEs easily without
affecting any user data. Without /usr merge,
2013/5/11 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
We have had two releases with kfreebsd, which failed to
provide anything usable. Debian is only about Linux, and has always
been.
I have some news about it ;-)
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2013/5/12 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
GNOME depends on a working glibc, too. Does it dictate the C library?
Yes. Portability still makes sense. Portability is a part of the word
Free in Free Software.
Debian is about Free Software.
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2013/5/12 Stéphane Glondu glo...@debian.org:
What about /etc ? /var ? both contain data that can mess up with a
running system...
All go into a snapshot.
That's why I stand for moving /var/lib/mysql and similar things out of /var
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2013/5/12 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de:
Honestly, you simply can't expect every single package in Debian to run on
any of the supported kernels. If systemd profits from the use of
Linux-specific kernel features, which is a good thing in my humble opinion
because Linux
2013/5/13 Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org:
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 08:46:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
There is no need for udev to be dependent upon a specific init
system, other than laziness.
Except if you want to receive device plug events as triggers to start
up / shut down services. The
2013/5/14 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com:
2013/5/13 Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org:
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 08:46:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
There is no need for udev to be dependent upon a specific init
system, other than laziness.
Except if you want to receive device plug events
2013/5/14 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org:
But ansgar's objection about the duplication of the changelog in multiple
.deb when it used to be shared via a symlink also makes sense. As does the
fact that there's currently no way to not install some control files.
What about creating symlinks
Put git updates as a patch, e. g. debian/patches/git-update.patch
Bump debian part of version as usual.
AFAIK python is packaged in this way
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2013/5/23 Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de:
* stdout/stderr to syslog redirection
This is possibly implementable, but needs more than a line of shell.
In Solaris SMF each service has its own log file with SMF messages
*and* all stdout/stderr
pashev@bok:~$ find /var/log/svc/
/var/log/svc/
2013/5/27 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net:
At the risk of adding another level of indirection, we could add a
meta-init format that can generate an appropriate file for any of these.
http://xkcd.com/927/
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2013/5/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Nobody,
I repeat, nobody, ever reads local mail on most desktop systems
I read mail from my desktop :-)
It is forwarded to my gmail account
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2013/5/29 Paul Wise p...@debian.org:
Does that mean switching away from autotools?
No.
Or not shipping configure/Makefile.in in the tarballs?
No.
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2013/5/31 Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net:
Yes and yes. Wheezy kfreebsd amd64 is dandy for server and OK for some
minor graphical desktop stuff (opengl is not in a good state right now,
at least with nvidia hardware: nouveau is no-go due to not having kernel
support and proprietary won't
Changing package name is not enough. You should patch the library
build system to produce different soname and library filename
2013/6/9, Jerome BENOIT g62993...@rezozer.net:
Hello List,
because of backward incompatibility I have to add a suffix to
my library package name. But lintian keep
2013/6/17 Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org:
#712586
So... why is postgres relying on an undocumented numbering schema, and
breaking when it doesn't match what it expects?
Why it checks for version at all? Isn't package dependencies should be used?
What about Debian derivatives?
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Why not to use different init systems on different kernels?
Debian already supports 3 (three) init systems *at once*, sysvinit,
upstart, systemd.
This is much harder that using single system.
FYI, on Dyson [1] I've made dh_installinit noop, and working on dh-smf [2]
[1] http://osdyson.org
[2]
2013/7/14 Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it:
which is a waste of time and adds code which cannot
be well tested.
Isn't Debian itself is a waste of time, while we have RedHat? :-P
Let a hundred flowers bloom; let a hundred schools of thought contend.
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