crap.
Perhaps much of this discussion could be solved if ae managed vi keybindings
a little better.
Martin.
P.S. This test was using ae version 962-20.
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for all pre-release packages?
In the mean time, unless anyone can object within the next several
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cool, that'll solve the immediate problem.
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Yann Dirson wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
how about using 2.07pre8-1, 2.07pre8-2, and so on for the
next set of glibc pre-releases?
Seems like it doesn't work:
$ dpkg --compare-versions 2.07pre8-1 '' 2.0.8 echo yes || echo
no no
You
, this is a bug in dpkg, and should be fixed. but the problem exists
now, and if dpkg's revision history is anything to go by will continue
to exist for a long long time.
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this directory should also be populated with symlinks to all the
packages which autoup.sh needs to do the upgrade.
there should also be a copy of the the bo libc5 dpkg in there, to assist
with upgrades from rex/buzz.
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/binary-i386/tex
41465 main/binary-i386/math
45991 main/binary-i386/text
69621 main/binary-i386/editors
70242 main/binary-i386/x11
82342 main/binary-i386/doc
172210 main/binary-i386/devel
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as well.
sounds good to me.
btw, i'm already using your squid 1.2-beta23-1 package on several
machines. works well.
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belive this psec should be open.
This is part #1 due to max. 1000k attachment using hot-mail.
Best regards
Free software lowers
looks like good intentions, legally questionable, and bad spelling :-)
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debian.
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On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
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the GPL explicitly makes an exception for libraries which are included
with the operating system itself.
Not quite so - it makes an exception for binaries that are NOT
included with that operating system itself
mean.) something based on
that would be great.
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Steve Lamb wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:33:15 +1000 (EST), Craig Sanders wrote:
the last sentence, from However, as a special exception is particularly
relevant here.
So, if Qt were disttributed with the OS then it would fall under
the special exception? :)
yes
permission they seek to distribute the KDE
software.
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On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
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if you link a GPL-ed program and Qt, you are creating a work which is
derived from both. Since Qt's license is incompatible with the GPL
as far as distribution goes, you may not distribute that derived work
without
have to chase this one around?
this hair-splitting is just a distraction from the real question. see
previous messages for details.
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. if they ignore the
request or choose not to change their license then we have to yank the
software.
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Joseph Carter wrote:
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:35:31PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
non-free license. Neither I, nor anyone sensible, has any argument with
TT's license...it's their software, they can do what they like with it.)
That doesn't mean everyone else ise
and what the contents were when it was signed?
i wrote the message, but i didn't sign it. i don't normally sign my
email. i'll sign this one though :-)
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actualy sent this
message and what the contents were when it was signed?
Craig Sanders does not routinely sign his mail. Joseph Carter does.
Upon closer examination, one will find that the PGP/MIME signature
from Joseph Carter's previous message got attached to Craig Sanders'
reply
system? sounds a bit far-fetched to me. :-)
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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Raul Miller wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no, the modifications to the source are fine. the GPL does not in
any way restrict the kinds of modifications you can make to GPL-ed
source code. You have the source, you can do what you want
, so s/libc/libFOO/ in my first
paragraph above.
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and binary forms. This permission
certainly includes linking against GUI toolkits like XForms, Motif, GTK, Qt
or Win32.
If that is still ok for Debian, I could live with it. Michael?
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On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Raul Miller wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
there is no combined work until the source is compiled, linked to
the non-free library, and a binary produced.
Please show me where the GPL says this.
I'm tired of pointing out this is false, quoting from
On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Raul Miller wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
similarly, i am tired of pointing out the errors in your
misinterpretation of the GPL.
Er... could you at least back up your assertions with quotes from the
GPL which support your position?
i have done so
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On 15 Oct 1998, Paul Crowley wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
anyone know what it is in slink which is enforcing idle-timeout and daily
time limits on serial lines?
I don't have this problem, and I haven't installed idled:
Description: Idle Daemon. Removes idle users
upstream if it makes
sense to do so).
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-logout functionality.
nope. i create all new accounts with bash (*csh sucks). the problem also
occurs with ppp logins - in fact, that was how the problem was noticed.
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
On Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 10:03:30AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
nope. i create all new accounts with bash (*csh sucks). the problem
also occurs with ppp logins - in fact, that was how the problem was
noticed.
perhaps cpu seconds limit enforced
On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
On Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 11:30:26AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
nope. the messages printed are specifically mentioning either 1)
that the idle timeout has been exceeded, or 2) that the daily time
limit has been exceeded.
Only on serial lines
heresies so that all can see at a glance what kind of
perversion the branded one will try to lead them into.
btw, if you think that paragraph needed a smilie then you need to get
out more and relax a bit.
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and enthusiastic adoption of the Open Source
Definition, which is the DFSG with debian references stripped out), that is
also irrelevant...
neither software authors, nor users, nor the communities, nor anyone
except debian developers get a vote when it comes to debian's policies.
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of it's own
accord. in the meantime, we can live with a few extra packages in our
unstable dist.
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from the early 90s :-) and mail them
to you. i'll GPL them first, so you can do what you want with them.
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On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 12:02:55AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
Craig Sanders wrote:
i agree. in fact, it's more like a solution searching for a problem than
even a superficial problem.
It's a problem that is only evident to people who haven't lived with it for
years. That doesn't mean it's
in some work
CAN join up as developers.
i started that way a few years ago, and i'll bet that most debian
developers did too.
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is a job for an informed and alert mind.
a trained chimp can fake it for a while, but will come unstuck when
anything 'unusual' happensit's far better for the MCSE genes to be
discovered sooner rather than later.
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On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 10:38:54AM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 20:26:12 +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
i mostly agree but wouldn't put it anywhere near that strongly.
I would. Ben's phrasing strongly reminds me of Robert A. Heinlein;
especially of the concept
...there may be useful
ideas in there for you.
you want me to submit a real bug report or is this message enough to get
it added to your TODO list ?
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and only based on Debian. Don't get
confused about it please.
good. glad to hear it. i'd hate to see debian itself dumbed-down merely
to serve a market which is already adequately catered for, at the
expense of the technically-literate market.
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solution now would make it much more difficult
(nearly impossible) to migrate to a good solution in the future.
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restarted before xntp is restarted.
it happened to me yesterday when i upgraded from xntp3 to the new ntp 4
package.
easily fixed with /etc/init.d/{cron,syslogd} stop, followed by start.
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not working in unstable
because some people have the mistaken belief that --force-overwrite
should default to off.
yes, you can override it on the dpkg command linebut there is no way
to override it if you use dselect or apt. this is evil.
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the catherd's away???
:-)
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exist to restrict usage or sale.
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is a good
option. their main co-lo facility is not far from VA Research, and
they had debian installed and running very quickly after receiving the
hardware from VA.
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or complement each other. sometimes they don't. They
certainly don't conflict or harm each other.
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to sue an individual for compiling and using free source code
that implements their patented algorithms.
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language,
so C is the language of choice for general purpose libraries.
for example: this, and related reasons, is why GNOME chose C rather than
C++ as the base language for GNOME projects. Their decision was sound,
and their reasons were sound.
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On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:45:09PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 12:27:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
C++ may be OO, but it's not very good OOand it tends to compile
into code which is both bloated and slow.
dpkg is already far too slow on old hardware
of the thread now...it probably isn't
worth reading if it's got down to this level.
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it.
we're not here to get 100% market share, or 50% or even 20%. we're here
to make the best system we can and share it amongst ourselves and with
others, and also to encourage others to join in the effort.
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On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 01:48:03PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
someone (miquel, perhaps) made elvis-tiny a year or two back, and it fit
on the boot disk. would be nice if it could be made to fit again. elvis
isn't as good as vim, but it's much better
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 06:01:26PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
vi - hard to use, but small.
correction: hard to learn, easy to use. small, fast, and powerful.
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is better than ae, no doubt about it. however if there's 50+K
available on the rescue disk for ee it would be better to use that space
for a decent minimal vi clone (elvis-tiny needs ~67K).
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redefines many
slcurses.h macros) but ran into a problem with elvis' qfaddch macro
which requires more knowledge about curses than i currently have.
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On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 07:54:57PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 09:47:33AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
that extra 30k (if it is actually available on the rescue disk) would be
better used either as part of the space needed by elvis-tiny (**) or by
I still don't
vi emulation. it
may not be real vi, but it's infinitely better than nothing.
If you want all of the stuff you commonly use on the boot disk, modify
it yourself. Simple :)
i don't want all the stuff i commonly use. i just want the bare minimum,
and that includes a decent editor.
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perfect, it should not
be removed until there is a replacement which can fit on the rescue
disk.
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shots like this. guess i
was mistaken.
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On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 02:40:48AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
and that includes a decent editor.
That rules vi out, then.
for politeness' sake i will interpret your remarks in the most positive
light possible: you are mistaken.
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On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 02:11:03AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 10:10:56AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
Are other editors really so difficult?
yes. difficult and clumsy and lacking basic functionality.
All that missing functionality in ee (and ae in normal mode
or whatever else from that?
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redesigned.
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 07:18:09AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
do they automatically set up sash as root's shell?
They don't touch the root account. Instead, they clone it as sashroot
and set the shell on the cloned account.
cool. i was just checking that the discussion from
the anarchist
faq far more useful and interesting than (a bad translation of)
religious texts.
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packages in the last release but not new
ones in the current unstable).
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of having specialty CDs then those who want them
will be able to purchase them from specialty vendors or download the
packages for free from the net.
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it
on everyone else.
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On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 11:46:19AM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
it's irrelevant whether other debian developers or users agree with me
or disagree with me about the relative utility of these two packages.
by not censoring packages, by refusing
On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 03:21:34AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 01:05:58PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
then don't install those services. installing a package *IS* an explicit
OK.
You're saying that packages reliably say when they provide daemons?
no, but it should
majority who
would be inconvenienced if the reverse were true. it looks to me like
it's an either/or situation (i.e. no way of satisfying both parties
at once - mutually exclusive needs) so it's a pretty easy choice to
make...cause the minimum harm/hassle/inconvenience.
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always choose when building systems
because i prefer to select all packages.
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i'm not against increasing choice.
the default should remain as is, though - those who want it different
should be the ones who have to take whatever action with debconf.
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of a daemon
is a security problem then that config should be fixed or the package
dropped from the distribution.
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their personal
preferences on everyone else by making loud noises about trumped up
nebulous and vague security issues. it would be nicer if such FUD were
left behind in the proprietary software world.
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their setup but you risk that your custom mods will be
blown away the next time someone runs the stupid GUI configurator).
debian's attitude is: if you want something different, DIY. and more
importantly, it lets you DIY.
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is one. sun's Netra is another...both are
examples of how NOT to do configuration management on unix.
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they are needed.
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On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:34:48AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 02:16:31PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
to paraphrase: i am against messing with the current default. i am not
against (indeed, i am in favour of) increasing choice.
There is currently no default
their needs.
other daemons, e.g. pop and imap, work with little or no configuration -
install them and they start working immediately. it is useful to enable
them at install time.
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On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 07:02:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:05:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
sorry, it's you who needs to wake up to the real world.
if people don't know how to administer a unix machine then they need
to learn fast.
Not true.
you
,
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to the maintainers of the pop
packages (and other interested parties) to come up with a way that can
be achieved without hassle, and without imposing stupid and onerous
burdens on the maintainers of unrelated packages.
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that way here, it's not who you work for that's important, it's what
you've done.
It is my hope that Craig Sanders reads this and thinks about what he
has done and why.
very little of what i write is done without review and consideration of
the effect of my words. i am a very deliberate writer. i
can't comprehend that someone might deliberately choose those
words, then that is your problem not mine. such paucity of imagination
is truly sad.
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it out was necessary.
or at least see that stabbing at people isn't productive.
if it makes fools quit their yapping then it can be highly productive.
this discussion is a waste of time.
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change, so follows principle
of least surprise. easy to remember. init.d scripts are conffiles so it
won't be automatically replaced at the next upgrade.
cons:
you have to re-do the change if you ever upgrade and answer Y to
dpkg's question about replacing /etc/init.d/postgresql.
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override.potato
will do the job, and is probably significantly faster than an awk
script.
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free software in the free world, but
encumbered by a patent problem in the world's favourite police state.
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