DNSSEC in wheezy

2013-01-17 Thread Daniel Pocock
For some (probably many) people, an upgrade from squeeze (or earlier) to wheezy may be their first real experience of DNSSEC I've tried to update the wiki page to help people who are completely new to the subject. However, I'm sure there are people who may be able to provide more specific

Re: new team: pkg-auth on alioth

2013-01-17 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 17/01/13 15:08, Olivier Berger wrote: Hi. Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au writes: Simon and I both have some security/authentication packages in Debian. I've proposed a group on alioth, pkg-auth, which would be an umbrella for packages like this and potentially others The team

new pkg-monitoring team, Debian in the Ganglia book

2013-01-19 Thread Daniel Pocock
A few weeks back, the pkg-monitoring team was created Although we currently look after Ganglia related stuff, it is not exclusively for Ganglia, and could be a good way to collaborate on any package related to metric collection, storage and analysis Anybody wishing to collaborate or migrate

Re: new pkg-monitoring team, Debian in the Ganglia book

2013-01-21 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 19/01/13 22:07, Mathieu Parent wrote: Hi, 2013/1/19 Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au: A few weeks back, the pkg-monitoring team was created Although we currently look after Ganglia related stuff, it is not exclusively for Ganglia, and could be a good way to collaborate

NDEBUG when building packages?

2013-02-07 Thread Daniel Pocock
I notice some upstreams hack NDEBUG into their Makefile, while others leave it at the discretion of the user Is there any distribution policy for this? Should I be adding something into debian/rules to set -DNDEBUG when I prepare a package for release? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: NDEBUG when building packages?

2013-02-22 Thread Daniel Pocock
Mathieu Malaterre ma...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote: Daniel Pocock writes (NDEBUG when building packages?): I notice some upstreams hack NDEBUG into their Makefile, while others leave it at the discretion of the user

WebRTC has landed

2013-02-23 Thread Daniel Pocock
I've just uploaded the SIPml5 JavaScript packages into the queue for unstable This stuff really is revolutionary. I've had it running with Google Chrome 25 on squeeze and wheezy, and using a patched repro (reSIProcate) SIP proxy on wheezy. Anybody maintaining any type of web package (e.g. a

Re: WebRTC has landed

2013-02-23 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 24/02/13 00:20, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au writes: JavaScript and give users of their package the ability to click'n'call other users within the web page. Have you had time to study how the technology works? If both parties are behind a HTTP proxy

Re: WebRTC has landed

2013-02-24 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 24/02/13 01:01, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au writes: - WebSockets carries the SIP signaling (e.g. to register the user location, find the person you want to call). WebSockets works through HTTP proxies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC does

Re: NDEBUG when building packages?

2013-02-24 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 23/02/13 17:41, Hendrik Sattler wrote: Am Samstag, 23. Februar 2013, 16:39:22 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer: On Sat 23 Feb 2013 12:33:58 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer escribió: On Sat 23 Feb 2013 12:18:30 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer escribió: On Sat 23 Feb 2013

git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-02-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
There was recently some discussion in pkg-javascript about how to give more people access to the VCS (e.g. keeping the git repositories logically organised under the pkg-javascript tree, but making write access available to all DDs + alioth guest users and not just those in the pkg-javascript

Re: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-02-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/02/13 13:15, Simon McVittie wrote: On 28/02/13 09:39, Daniel Pocock wrote: Has anybody had experience controlling access to git repositories, for example, to give users access but prevent some of the following dangerous operations? If you look at it from the appropriate angle

Re: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-02-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 28/02/13 20:20, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Daniel Pocock (2013-02-28 19:20:09) On 28/02/13 13:15, Simon McVittie wrote: On 28/02/13 09:39, Daniel Pocock wrote: Has anybody had experience controlling access to git repositories

packaging PostBooks (business accounting/CRM/ERP)

2013-03-21 Thread Daniel Pocock
I'm just wondering if anybody else looked at this code or their license[1]? License discussion stopped at [2], not clear if it the license is definitely rejected or not, my impression of the clause is that it doesn't mandate a splash screen, it just means you can't put attribution in small

Re: packaging PostBooks (business accounting/CRM/ERP)

2013-03-21 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 22/03/13 00:00, Andrew Shadura wrote: It would also be useful for me to know which other accounting packages are popular in the free software community and whether people would use PostBooks if it was packaged. I tried GnuCash, but it

Re: packaging PostBooks (business accounting/CRM/ERP)

2013-03-22 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 22/03/13 00:18, Andrew Shadura wrote: Hello, On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:09:20 +0100 Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au wrote: Would you be able to take over the ITP bug I created? Then you will be the one closing it when you upload. I did a search for any ITP bug before I filed one

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: Control: severity -1 important I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break No, it does not. hw will shut itself off before getting damaged. Would you provide a

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 12:24, Martin Wuertele wrote: * John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de [2013-03-28 12:08]: On 03/28/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay for their laptop repair if this issue causes damage

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 12:32, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On 28-03-13 11:47, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: Control: severity -1 important I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 16:14, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 03/28/2013 06:47 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: Control: severity -1 important I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/03/13 19:12, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Perfection is unattainable. Every Debian stable release is buggy as hell, and that's unavoidable, if we want to make any releases at all. I don't think anybody raised the issue of perfection This issue I've observed is a relative one - it was working

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 28/03/13 18:59, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 28.03.2013 18:48, schrieb Daniel Pocock: I clearly understand your previous feedback and agree, that is why I thought it might be helpful discussing this issue on debian-devel, to get a feel for how

Re: touchscreen support in Debian?

2013-03-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/03/13 21:03, Svante Signell wrote: Hi, I recently purchased an Acer S7, having both a keyboard and a touch screen. It is currently running Windows 8. Any chances of running Debian GNU/Linux on that box? I've heard rumours that Ubuntu supports this hardware, is that true? I very

Re: touchscreen support in Debian?

2013-03-30 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 30/03/13 00:23, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: On 29 March 2013 20:03, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently purchased an Acer S7, having both a keyboard and a touch screen. It is currently running Windows 8. Any chances of running Debian GNU/Linux on that box? I've

empathy - video/audio calls broken?

2013-03-30 Thread Daniel Pocock
Are other people having trouble with empathy recently? - about 8 months ago, I found the version in testing would not interact with the version in squeeze - about 3 months ago, I found it had improved a lot - now, I find two users on the same LAN using the latest version from wheezy can't

missing libgl1-mesa-dri in upgrades

2013-04-01 Thread Daniel Pocock
I've found that some default packages in Gnome are broken if libgl1-mesa-dri is not installed libgl1-mesa-dri is only installed on upgrade if the package xorg is present in squeeze, but that is not always the case according to popcon: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=xorg

Re: missing libgl1-mesa-dri in upgrades

2013-04-01 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 01/04/13 14:37, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 04/01/2013 11:59 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: I've found that some default packages in Gnome are broken if libgl1-mesa-dri is not installed (...) While I've filed a bug against empathy (that is where I observed the problem), I suspect

Re: missing libgl1-mesa-dri in upgrades

2013-04-01 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 01/04/13 22:04, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 04/01/2013 09:59 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: Agreed, but that doesn't complete the picture, as libgl1-mesa-glx doesn't depend on libgl1-mesa-dri: $ apt-cache depends libgl1-mesa-glx ... Recommends: libgl1-mesa-dri Well

Re: missing libgl1-mesa-dri in upgrades

2013-04-01 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 02/04/13 01:04, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 01 avril 2013 à 22:04 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a écrit : $ apt-cache depends libgl1-mesa-glx ... Recommends: libgl1-mesa-dri Well, Recommends are installed by default, aren't they? However, I'm not sure why it

Re: Handling unblocks

2013-04-02 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 02/04/13 09:24, Andreas Tille wrote: [moving to debian-devel as Neil suggested] On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 04:52:30PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: As a general hint, requests that are obviously correct get approved very quicky. I can confirm this - thanks for the release team. Things that

Re: Handling unblocks

2013-04-02 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 02/04/13 14:00, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au (02/04/2013): To put this in context, I recently found that one of the packages I depend on (libasio-dev) is actually orphaned. It is mentioned in PTS, but I was never proactively alerted by anything such as lintian

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-04-02 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 02/04/13 19:57, Ian Jackson wrote: Vincent Bernat writes (Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T): ❦ 28 mars 2013 20:38 CET, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org : Unless you are the original reporter and you need to decide in order to fill the bug, please don't. That's the

Re: Handling unblocks

2013-04-02 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 02/04/13 18:35, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/02/2013 07:52 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: The problem is, how to pass this benefit on to users without either (a) marking every bug RC There is absolutely no point doing that. Unless we are really really close from releasing (like right now), even

raw dia file for Git diagram

2013-04-04 Thread Daniel Pocock
For anybody who wants to hack away at an enhanced diagram for their own *-buildpackage workflow, I've attached to my blog a copy of the raw dia file http://danielpocock.com/sites/danielpocock.com/files/release-packaging-workflow.dia It is shared under the GPL v3 terms -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/04/13 22:43, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting ian_br...@fastmail.net (ian_br...@fastmail.net): If Debian bug report #684128 proves anything, it is that you will never convince anyone with technical argument, facts advanced in support of

upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-07 Thread Daniel Pocock
I notice this bug was downgraded below the RC threshold and appears to have been missed so far: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612402 Basically, if somebody has UUID syntax in /etc/fstab, their root FS isn't mounted and they can't boot Patches are included, should this be

Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-07 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/04/13 14:06, Ian Jackson wrote: Daniel Pocock writes (SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)): It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if they haven't done so in the past

Re: upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-07 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/04/13 15:47, Neil Williams wrote: On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:25:43 +0200 Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au wrote: I notice this bug was downgraded below the RC threshold and appears to have been missed so far: It was only pushed to RC

Re: upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-08 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/04/13 18:15, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 16:19 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 07/04/13 15:47, Neil Williams wrote: On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:25:43 +0200 Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au wrote: I notice this bug

Re: upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-08 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 08/04/13 13:53, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On 08-04-13 08:53, Daniel Pocock wrote: I'm not suggesting that squeeze systems were installed that way by default, although people who have migrated an FS from a raw partition to an LV may have this in fstab. And that fact alone makes it a non-RC bug

Re: NEW processing during freezes (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-09 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 09/04/13 17:54, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: On 02.04.2013 22:48, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/02/2013 12:16 AM, Luca Falavigna wrote: In a perfect world there wouldn't be any need for a NEW queue at all. But we have to face with the reality. We try to do our best to improve things where we can.

Debian two-factor auth, GSoC?

2013-04-11 Thread Daniel Pocock
Fedora recently put in Yubikey for their packagers[1], although they are only half way there, supporting sudo but not web auth so far. Similar things could probably happen in Debian. I've proposed two-factor authentication as a potential area for a GSoC project[2], two things come up: a)

Re: Debian two-factor auth, GSoC?

2013-04-11 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 11/04/13 21:25, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Luca Filipozzi I can help with a GSoC but I think DSA would prefer to lean in the direction of the above. I'm also happy to help with it. I have a bit of experience with the yubikey tokens, and at least one of the upstreams is on the path

Re: Debian two-factor auth, GSoC?

2013-04-11 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/04/13 07:56, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/12/2013 03:25 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: The Yubikey neo can run the java applet thingies, it seems, so it can act as a GPG token too. Please, please, please ... no java!!! That's a security nightmare. I think we'd be less safe with than

Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes

2013-04-20 Thread Daniel Pocock
I came across this on Planet Debian http://rb.doesntexist.org/blog//posts/lack_of_cooperation_from_ubuntu/ I'm guessing that Ubuntu may not have pushed the changes to sid because of the freeze, that may well be the answer to Rogério's questions. Nonetheless, with derivatives and Debian itself

Re: GSoC project: fedmsg for the Debian infrastructure

2013-04-25 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 25/04/13 13:50, Simon Chopin wrote: Hi, Nicolas Dandrimont and I are currently working on a project proposal for the Google Summer of Code to use the messaging system written by Fedora, fedmsg[0][1], within the Debian infrastructure (some of you might have seen the various ITPs related to

Re: GSoC project: fedmsg for the Debian infrastructure

2013-04-25 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/04/13 18:07, Simon Chopin wrote: Quoting Daniel Pocock (2013-04-25 17:34:03) ZeroMQ is a very lightweight solution - it is brokerless (like multicast) so won't necessarily support the requirement for durable subscriptions (keeping

OpenMAMA?

2013-04-25 Thread Daniel Pocock
I'm just wondering if anybody else has looked at OpenMAMA or seen any potential problems for packaging it? http://www.openmama.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

GSoC/debian.org SIP/XMPP infrastructure

2013-04-26 Thread Daniel Pocock
Several students have inquired about the possibility of doing a real-time communication (RTC) project for GSoC, one has already started his application[1] and a few others have been corresponding with me by email. Rather than letting the students guess what we need or want, I'm hoping some

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-04-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/03/13 08:19, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: What we need is someone who can reliably reproduce the issue and help with debugging. I've had a probably related problem, without using GNOME http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455769#59

git as a source package format?

2013-05-01 Thread Daniel Pocock
Just following up on the earlier discussion about VCS (not just git) in the packaging workflow Would there be any hard objection to a source package format based on git-bundle? In other words, dpkg-source would extract all repository history (or all of the branch used to build the package)

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Daniel Pocock
) as the content of such source packages. Bernhard, could you comment on what you understood my intention was? On 03/05/13 18:50, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au [130501 21:28]: Would there be any hard objection to a source package format based on git-bundle? I think a git

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-04 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 04/05/13 08:17, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On 04-05-13 05:04, Charles Plessy wrote: In any case, please refrain passive-aggressive statements on other people's projects. Except that this time the project we're talking about was one person asking another person can you clarify what I

Debianizing the Java world?

2013-05-10 Thread Daniel Pocock
I started a thread[1] on maven-user yesterday to try and understand whether Maven's convenience with binary artifacts extrapolates to convenience working with source One of the first answers even suggested I should go and see the Debian folks (the FTP master's reputation for keeping binary

Re: Debianizing the Java world?

2013-05-11 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 11/05/13 04:35, Paul Wise wrote: I think you want to discuss this on the debian-java list instead. The reason I posted here is that the concept is just as viable for other languages with their own distribution systems (e.g. R and Drupal both have their own package distribution mechanisms)

jessie to be a derivative?

2013-05-11 Thread Daniel Pocock
There have been various discussions about how to change the release process I'm not personally convinced that the process is fundamentally flawed. If there are still as many wheezy systems in 10 years as there are Windows XP machines in corporations today, then people won't remember the freeze

Re: Debianizing the Java world?

2013-05-14 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/05/13 21:11, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: On 05/11/2013 10:12 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 11/05/13 04:35, Paul Wise wrote: I think you want to discuss this on the debian-java list instead. The reason I posted here is that the concept is just as viable for other languages with their own

OpenRC, Upstart, systemd wishlist stuff

2013-05-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
There seem to be a few new discussions about these possible solutions As well as the traditional init scripts, I've worked with systemd on Fedora and SMF on Solaris. Out of all possible solutions, I don't have any strong feelings about which solution Debian should go with at this stage.

Re: X.509 and CA certificates for other purposes (i.e. the IGTF)

2013-05-30 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 30/05/13 13:19, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Dennis van Dok denni...@nikhef.nl wrote: On 26-05-13 20:02, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Hi Dennis and everybody, somewhat related to this, I

security policy / root passwords

2013-06-09 Thread Daniel Pocock
Hi, There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking for the root password I opened a bug for discussion about the issue, but it was closed by another DD (not the maintainer) - [1]. Other users have come across the bug too and requested attention for it with the same

Re: security policy / root passwords

2013-06-09 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 09/06/13 19:20, Michael Banck wrote: On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking for the root password I am not sure what you are complaining about - that you need to specify the root password

Re: security policy / root passwords

2013-06-10 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 10/06/13 10:21, Alexey Serikov wrote: A few points: 1) if your user is part of sudo group, most of the time gnome will ask for your user's password instead of root's. 2) Debian is a finite set of software. It provides packages (literally thousands of them) that are stable, safe and

Re: security policy / root passwords

2013-06-10 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 10/06/13 14:12, Simon McVittie wrote: On 10/06/13 12:34, Daniel Pocock wrote: a) a web site displaying a PolicyKit popup that resembles the wording of the Debian popup GNOME Shell does mitigate this by using a distinctive UI for system-modal dialogs, which makes use of the fact

Re: security policy / root passwords

2013-06-10 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 10/06/13 16:51, Simon McVittie wrote: On 10/06/13 15:36, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Simon McVittie s...@debian.org writes: * ability to use system-modal prompting or a secure input path (partially done by PK under GNOME Shell, likely to get better under Wayland, not

Re: security policy / root passwords

2013-06-11 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 11/06/13 00:37, Jens Roder wrote: Hello, just like to add that today this feature with the popup blocked my gnome within the suspend procedure, which I did not see but got a hot running laptop in the bag. When I opened the laptop again I saw the problem and when clicking on cancel, the

Re: security policy / root passwords

2013-06-11 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 11/06/13 01:11, Michael Banck wrote: Hi Daniel, On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:24:39PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: Every copy of jessie could be distributed with one of the red hoods referred to in this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower

Re: default MTA

2013-06-11 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/05/13 03:02, Marco d'Itri wrote: Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the flame war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA? Are there any objections other than but I like it this way!? What about replacing SMTP? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: default MTA

2013-06-11 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 11/06/13 22:56, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2013-06-12 02:09:24 +0800 (+0800), Chow Loong Jin wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 08:01:58PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: What about replacing SMTP? With what? With ESMTP, of course! Something that doesn't have these limitations: http

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2013-06-11 23:50:01 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote: Something that doesn't have these limitations: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2487#section-7 [...] That basically just makes the case for relying on (E)SMTP only for transporting messages

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/06/13 12:29, Neil McGovern wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:17AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2013-06-11 23:50:01 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote: Something that doesn't have

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/06/13 14:41, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:17AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: OpenPGP and S/MIME don't guarantee anonymity as they don't (and can't really) encrypt the headers/envelope Erm, they also identify the recipients, as it's the recipients key to which

Re: [OT] SMTP bad

2013-06-13 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 12/06/13 21:35, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2013-06-12 08:08:17 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote: That basically just makes the case for relying on (E)SMTP only for transporting messages, but leveraging OpenPGP or S/MIME to provide authentication

Re: default MTA

2013-06-13 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 13/06/13 12:59, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:41:27PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: DFSG #4: Our priorities are our users and free software A court prosecuting/persecuting one of our users is not in scope I'm now struggling to understand which side of the argument you

Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-16 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/06/13 10:05, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 16 iun 13, 09:49:41, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, I'm at loss with what to do with #710047. (random freeze since wheezy) More information would be nice, redirect to debian-user? And just

Re: default MTA

2013-06-16 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 15/06/13 13:04, David Weinehall wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:15:03PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: The issue that worries me most about these desktop notification plans is the possibility that some package may decide to unnecessarily drop support for non-desktop systems, adding

system-wide crypto policies

2013-06-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
There have been various discussions about GnuPG's default use of SHA1, e.g. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612657 which impacts the archive pseudo-package but is also relevant for the gnupg* packages However, are such issues at the discretion of package maintainers and

Re: system-wide crypto policies

2013-06-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 27/06/13 21:44, Florian Weimer wrote: * Daniel Pocock: However, are such issues at the discretion of package maintainers and upstream, or is it useful to have a uniform Debian approach to cryptographic strength? Keep in mind that RFC 4880 (OpenPGP) hard-codes SHA-1 in several places

Re: system-wide crypto policies

2013-06-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/06/13 09:34, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Thu, June 27, 2013 22:16, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 27/06/13 21:44, Florian Weimer wrote: * Daniel Pocock: However, are such issues at the discretion of package maintainers and upstream, or is it useful to have a uniform Debian approach

buildd dependency problems?

2013-07-18 Thread Daniel Pocock
I notice one of my package fails on hurd-i386, kfreebsd-* and sparc due to various dependencies: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=resiprocatesuite=sid and it appears these dependencies have been unavailable for a long time. The bottom line is that urgent fixes in the package are

Re: buildd dependency problems?

2013-07-18 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 18/07/13 22:44, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 12:46 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: I notice one of my package fails on hurd-i386, kfreebsd-* and sparc due to various dependencies: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=resiprocatesuite=sid and it appears

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

2013-08-22 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 21/08/13 19:08, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Kevin Chadwick's message of 2013-08-21 08:45:27 -0700: My point of view is that Debian Stable should be aiming for whatever they believe the sweet point between stable and so usable without having problems is and maximising security. Aka

buildd could run make -i twice on failure

2013-09-07 Thread Daniel Pocock
After a build fails on the buildd, it would be really useful to have the build run again twice with make -i and log the output of the second retry Obviously I could hack something like this into debian/rules: make || make -i ; make -i ; exit 1 but it would be nice to have a centrally

Re: buildd could run make -i twice on failure

2013-09-08 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/09/13 01:20, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 11:28:31PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: After a build fails on the buildd, it would be really useful to have the build run again twice with make -i and log the output of the second

using packages from sid on travis-ci.org

2013-09-10 Thread Daniel Pocock
Some of the upstream projects I work on use travis-ci.org for continuous integration In some cases I'd like to configure builds that depend on packages from Debian unstable, but I'm not sure of the Ubuntu or travis way of doing that, has anybody dealt with this before? Or is there a Debian

Re: using packages from sid on travis-ci.org

2013-09-18 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/09/13 23:34, Roger Leigh wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:42:09PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: Some of the upstream projects I work on use travis-ci.org for continuous integration In some cases I'd like to configure builds

packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-19 Thread Daniel Pocock
PostBooks distributes their schema as a Postgres binary dump file for use with pg_restore They are available for download here (not in the source tarball): http://sourceforge.net/projects/postbooks/files/03%20PostBooks-databases/4.1.0/ The pg_dump documentation explains the binary format

Re: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing

2013-09-19 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I'm particularly keen to see communication packages working on as many architectures as possible because otherwise two-way communications opportunities are missed if some users are excluded. In short, I'm not formally volunteering, but if people

PostBooks packaging update, new alioth group

2013-09-19 Thread Daniel Pocock
Andrew and I have been going over the PostBooks packages, first uploads in the NEW queue We have an alioth group now: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-xtuple/ and a mailing list: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-xtuple-maintainers so please join us. The

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-20 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 20/09/13 09:07, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: PostBooks distributes their schema as a Postgres binary dump file for use with pg_restore What is their reason for using the binary format? Could they be convinced to switch to or add something more

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-20 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 20/09/13 15:49, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 02:47:39PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:20:38PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: It is also impossible to patch the binary format unlike SQL. Interesting. For the first time, I've realised there can be a

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-20 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 20/09/13 17:07, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 05:04:50PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 20/09/13 15:49, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 02:47:39PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:20:38PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: It is also

Re: think twice before enabling -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 for C projects without thorough build-time testing

2013-09-20 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 20/09/13 22:09, Bastian Blank wrote: I would call code that hits such clear definitions too buggy to be supported. and what if many more existing packages are found to have similar issues? http://debile.debian.net/sources/ One of my packages has some nice colours:

qmake and make dist

2013-09-25 Thread Daniel Pocock
upstream is using qmake for PostBooks qmake doesn't appear to provide a make dist facility, at least not the way the project is currently configured. Consequently, upstream tarballs tend to be snapshots of the developer workspace, in one case, even including things like submodules, .gitmodules

update-menus silently failing with Gnome?

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
I've been trying to create menu items for postbooks and postbooks-updater, for example: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/postbooks-updater.git;a=blob;f=debian/menu;h=456d003f95312b27e3a1301057dd5b8dc3efca36;hb=86c8d75cc7297ba47b6398930c256d202011ab93 is a debian/menu file

Re: update-menus silently failing with Gnome?

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/09/13 20:09, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 19:55 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: I can see that update-menus is run during the dpkg install and I tried running it again manually. I can even find the .desktop file for Gnome after update-menus has run, it looks OK However

Re: update-menus silently failing with Gnome?

2013-09-30 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 30/09/13 01:34, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:01:50PM +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit : For those feeling lazy, I suppose we can just grab the .desktop file generated under /var by update-menus and copy it into our packages? Or is there a more elegant way to manage

transition from radiusclient-ng - freeradius-client, shared config file

2013-10-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
Can anybody suggest how to share the radius client config file between these two packages? radiusclient-ng is deprecated freeradius-client is the same code, but supported with some fixes from the FreeRADIUS community Both packages use the same config file and currently they are declared to

Re: Release sprint results - team changes, auto-rm and arch status

2013-11-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 28/11/13 21:04, Niels Thykier wrote: Architecture Status === ia64 causes us concern for the following reasons: * binutils issues (#718047, #720404), resulting in build failures blocking transitions * many

Re: Release sprint results - team changes, auto-rm and arch status

2013-11-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/11/13 04:14, Steve Langasek wrote: Hi Niels, On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 09:04:56PM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: kFreeBSD was a technology preview, and has not generated enough user interest to bring in sufficient install base to continue in this state. I wonder, how is the release team

Re: Release sprint results - team changes, auto-rm and arch status

2013-11-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/11/13 18:23, Simon McVittie wrote: On 29/11/13 16:36, Ian Jackson wrote: It seems likely to me that that bug is, at root, a race of some kind. And it just so happens that the race is lost on kFreeBSD - sometimes. Detecting such a race is valuable to the project; it's certainly not a

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