Re: Equivalent packages between Linux distributions

2011-01-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
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Re: Results of the App Installer Meeting

2011-01-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:11:06 +0100, Michael Vogt m...@debian.org wrote: [...] AppStream focuses on translations of the name, keywords and (short) summary managed by upstream. We talked shortly about longer descriptions (possibly with markdown) but this would easily blow up the currently

Bug#553270: ITP: Algoscore - GUI for algorithmic composition

2009-10-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
no make it ready for Debian. Thanks! Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Bug#554177: ITP: libqt4intf -- Qt4 interface bindings

2009-11-03 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Description: Qt4 interface bindings Qt4 bindings for applications which are developed using Free Pascal or other non-C++ languages. Packaging has been submitted to Debian Mentors. Thanks! Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

How does lintian detect embedded-zlib?

2010-04-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
embedded ZLibs? Thanks kind regards Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b0390b261971d57972ee12a124fc4...@mb8-2.1blu.de

Re: How does lintian detect embedded-zlib?

2010-04-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
means it will get fixed. (Yipee!) Regards Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f15803754f6a8b8b2706f7de7f506...@mb8-2.1blu.de

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:12:55 +0430, Mohammad Ebrahim Mohammadi Panah ebra...@mohammadi.ir wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote: Oh suure. We are all about freedom, but please no religional stuff. Oh, and while we are at, get away with

Re: debian can be better

2010-10-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
the Ubuntu case so interesting! (And if they do wrong, they can always switch back) Regards Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org

Re: debian can be better

2010-11-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
First of all: Sorry, I didn't want to send this mail to the public list... On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:46:27 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le dimanche 31 octobre 2010 à 22:41 +0100, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : Also, they use Banshee and Tomboy, which results in including Mono

Re: debian can be better

2010-11-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:29:33 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le lundi 01 novembre 2010 à 11:46 +0100, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : We do also for Tomboy, and this “space problem” is of similar scale as the one we have for a pair of applications using C++ bindings. Also true

Re: A few observations about systemd

2011-07-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! I spoke with Lennart Poettering about this thread on IRC, and he asked me to forward some clarifications about systemd to this list: i found while reading through that thread a) the main memory usage by systemd is actually the selinux policy we load in to memory so that we can tag sockets

Proposal for additional metadata in Debian archives (DEP-11)

2011-10-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
of DEP-11 at [2]. I CCed debian-devel, so more people can comment on this. Thanks for the attention! Kind regards Matthias Klumpp --- [1]: http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/Meetings/AppInstaller2011 [2]: http://wiki.debian.org/AppStreamDebianProposal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Advocating the use of RDF for Debian's published metadata - Was: Re: Proposal for additional metadata in Debian archives (DEP-11)

2011-10-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
a mailinglist - I hope it is okay to CC ftpmasters, if this is *not* okay, please write a short mail. - I haven't got any reply from ftpmasters on this yet. Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 à 19:08 +0200, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : AppStream features XML to store metadata. Because we don't use XML

Re: RFC: Additional metadata in Debian archives (DEP-11)

2011-10-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2011/10/13 Paul Wise p...@debian.org: [...]    Title: AppStream and Component Metadata for Debian    DEP: 11    URL: http://wiki.debian.org/AppStreamDebianProposal    Drivers: Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net,                Julian Andres Klode j...@debian.org

Re: Proposal for additional metadata in Debian archives (DEP-11)

2011-10-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2011/10/31 Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org: Le Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 05:49:12PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : For us, it is necessary that APT can process this data (will be implemented if DEP-11 can make it) and that parts of it can be written into a Xapian-DB for fast searching. - Both

Re: Enabling package installation for non-root users

2012-02-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
could easily work around this limitation by creating a dummy package in group X which pulls in the package from group Y, which they want.) Cheers, Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: Enabling package installation for non-root users

2012-02-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/2/23 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org: Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 18:57 +0100, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : You can change the PK settings using PolicyKit. Limiting installations to a group of packages is not possible at time. (and not planned - what if a package in group X requires

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
. (If this is decided) Kind regards, Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKNHny8dU5jjZk7i_OjPFh9z4iv1p13=_7==scpo9dtbk52...@mail.gmail.com

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
on upstart's side) Cheers, Matthias Klumpp 2012/2/27 Riku Voipio riku.voi...@iki.fi: On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 01:47:59AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: I have. Not on debian, but on debianish system with dash. And the result was that shellscripts are indeed the bottleneck.  We still did convert

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/2/27 Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org: Matthias Klumpp, le Mon 27 Feb 2012 17:45:14 +0100, a écrit : Maybe interesting to read in this upstart vs. systemd vs. sysvinit discussion is the comparison of these three init systems: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html Of course

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-03-04 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/3/4 Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 01:19:14 +0100, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote: Debian - as always - is extremely slow in making a decision on this, but this time it might be an advantage: Fedora, openSUSE, Mageia, etc. already switched

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! As PackageKit maintainer, I would like to say that we have GNOME-PackageKit as high-lever package manager and Synaptic as low-level PM for GNOME, and that Apper as a high-level package manager is available on KDE. So, I don't really see a problem with package-managers itself here, you would

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-26 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! AFAIK systemd supports startup notifications, even in colour - at least it did this last time I tried (a few weeks ago) Maybe your systemd version is too old? (Quoting Lennart: We now show the progress of fsck at boot on the console, again. We also show the much loved colorful [ OK ] status

Re: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-06-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! How odd that I didn't notice that bug... (I'm the GPK/PK maintainer) Well, I think pulling in Synaptic on KDE might be a bad idea, probably KDE desktop packages should pull in Apper instead, a KDE package manager based on PackageKit and fully integrated into the KDE desktop. It does not

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-09 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! systemd's upstream is not hostile at all - systemd just relies on many Linux-specific technologies, not just cgroups, and therefore it is not easily possible to port it. Upstream suggested to fork systemd and maintain patches for other OSes there, because they don't want a construct with lots

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 03:38:25PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: systemd may seem better in /most/ cases because it does have some nice features, but I don't think it's better in *all* cases. systemd doesn't allow shutdown/reboot from within KDE4 It *does* work for me here - KDM doesn't

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-09-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Just for the record (and I might be wrong with this information, because I don't have it from a official Gentoo source): I heard from a Gentoo dev that they will switch from OpenRC to systemd, and find the possibility very funny that Gentoo switches to systemd from OpenRC and Debian switches

Re: CD1 without a network mirror isn't sufficient to install a full desktop environment

2012-09-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
GNOME is seeking people to develop the GNOME-Panel - if MATE developers want a classical desktop environment based on modern technologies, they should develop the GNOME-Panel instead of forking unmaintained and outdated technology like Bonobo or GConf. I don't consider MATE to be future-proof. If

Re: CD1 without a network mirror isn't sufficient to install a full desktop environment

2012-09-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2012/9/18 Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org: [...] On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 03:21:06PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: GNOME is seeking people to develop the GNOME-Panel - if MATE developers want a classical desktop environment based on modern technologies, they should develop the GNOME

Re: Popularity of bzr-builddeb and dh-make

2012-10-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Have you considered making a poll for this? Because everyone will tell you a different oppinion... For me, I think: bzr-builddeb is specific to Bzr, if you don't use Bzr, it is useless. Instead, dh_make can be used to generate Debian templates quickly, so it might be useful for more people,

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! All these concerns about systemd and systemd vs. upstart have been addressed in a very good way by the systemd authors. Also, I would like to point out that systemd is the name of a project with multiple binaries - all the features systemd provides don't mean that everything is running in one

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Also, the people who write udev and systemd really know what they are doing, and especially systemd is documented perfectly well - everyone who does not feel comfortable with systemd should read at least the basic docs. (and then think again, and then probably dislike it on a basis of facts) Also,

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Langasek vor...@debian.org: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:48:24PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42:24PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Also, the people who write udev and systemd really know what they are doing, and especially systemd is documented perfectly

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2012/11/20 Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de: On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:13:28 +0800, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: [...] Aren't the systemd makers trying hard to move existing functionality from udev, consolekit, policykit and syslogd into systemd, effectively making those

Re: debian mate

2012-11-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Regarding the GNOME vs. MATE etc., please read this recent post from Vincent: http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2012/11/21/No-fallback-mode-in-GNOME-3.8%2C-future-of-gnome-panel If people (the MATE people?) step in and maintain adjust the gnome-panel, we won't have any problem for Jessie. I will

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/11/21 Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua: Hello! Gergely Nagy has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 10:29: Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net writes: For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it, but the Journal is no dependency of systemd. Wrong

Re: Wheezy testing versus Wheezy release repositories: confused on how to get source code

2013-01-16 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Why don't you just use the Sid version? = http://packages.debian.org/sid/compiz 2013/1/16 Paul Johnson pauljoh...@gmail.com: [...] The Wheezy repo that was testing during the Squeeze time is a different thing from the Wheezy that is Wheezy release beta 4? Right? No. Testing *is* Wheezy at

Re: is Kai Wasserbäch still active?

2013-03-24 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/3/25 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de: Hi Ben, I'd be happy to sponsor your package once I'm sober again (just came back from a pub :)). :D - so the don't upload packages when you are drunk warning phrase I read somewhere in Debian packaging instructions was not

Re: kann sich jemand erklären warum beide Festplatten auf dem selben Sector einen Fehler haben?

2013-05-08 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Ich glaube, du hast dich in der Mailingliste vertan, debian-devel ist für die (englischsprachige) Diskussion zur Entwicklung der Debian-Distribution. Die Frage kannst du besser unter http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/ stellen, oder in einem Forum. Viel Erfolg! MfG Matthias @list: I

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/5/21 Michael Stapelberg stapelb...@debian.org: Hi Lucas, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes: I think that one reason why we risk having another init systems discussion is that there hasn't been (TTBOMK) a good effort to summarize the various point raised and your answers (as

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am 22.05.2013 18:12 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org: On 22/05/13 at 14:45 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 08:16 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : - there are 300+ upstart job files ready to be imported from Ubuntu When you compare the time it takes to

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/23 Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:40:57 +0200, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote: Please also keep in mind that many upstream projects ship systemd service files. Therefore, most of the systemd work is already done too. Are those any better

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net: On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:18:04PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 23 mai 2013 à 22:06 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit : Yes, systemd trying to replace so much of traditional UNIX tools at once and so blatantly breaking the One job

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 01:45:46AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net: The Unix Way is to use separate processes for separate tasks. ...and this is what systemd does! It's not like we

Re: default MTA

2013-05-28 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/28 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com: 2013/5/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org: Nobody, I repeat, nobody, ever reads local mail on most desktop systems [...] Would it help if we had a desktop-component, which is able to: 1) Show a notification *on the desktop* if the user received new

Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/29 Javier Fernandez-Sanguino j...@debian.org: On 28 May 2013 19:10, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote: Would it help if we had a desktop-component, which is able to: 1) Show a notification *on the desktop* if the user received new mail 2) Offer a GUI way to read system mails

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-30 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/30 Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it: On May 30, Mathieu Parent math.par...@gmail.com wrote: [···] There is also the kill features Red Hat does not care about deal, Do you have an example? Persistent naming of network interfaces. ... is entirely optional, and can be disabled if someone

Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant Was: mount point gets (deleted) / unable to unmount

2013-06-06 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/6/6 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 04:19:04PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: That said, we provide GNOME Classic in wheezy for good reasons. Some of Florian’s concerns are clearly among them. I have tried that and the annoyances with the systray, multihead and

Re: Why not to let all DDs to execute gb-command

2013-06-07 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/6/7 Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no: ]] Nicolas Dandrimont The accepted by DSA part is a bit complicated. We didn't really want to bother one of the busiest teams in Debian when the software wasn't even packaged, and, when it came up, I felt that the reception of the idea of using fedmsg

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/7/14 Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org: [...] It's also about the *student*. We want more contributors. Why throw away someone willing to do great work within Debian? but just because a GSoC student is working on OpenRC in Debian doesn't make it any more appealing or sensible in

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/19 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes: Popcon however speaks a completely different language: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=upstart http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=systemd Currently 64 counted installations

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/20 Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org: Yes. This. I was a pretty avid syatemd hater, but having used it for a solid 6 months, I can't imagine using anything else. I find myself installing systemd as one of the first things I do when I get a new install. If you're laying down systemd

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/22 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org: Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com writes: 2013/7/22 Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net: We would be effectively locked in. We are locked in sysvinit. Except we're not: both systemd and upstart support sysvinit scripts. Which is why we can do a gradual

Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/22 Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org: Hi, On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: I want the process to be something like: - New PPAMAIN - Upload new package - NMU packages to work with the new stuff (this needs to be something that the project is OK with) inside

Re: Bridge burning

2013-07-28 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/28 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk: On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 12:49 +1000, Nikolas Kallis wrote: Hello, I just spotted this on the Debian forum: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3t=105456 As you can see, someone (who is obviously new to Linux) came and asked a perfectly

Re: Bug#719673: ITP: needrestart -- needrestart checks which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades

2013-08-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/8/22 Paul Wise p...@debian.org: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: By the way, I have always been puzzled with checkrestart being a part of the package containing a set of random tools. I mean, the discoverability of checkrestart is exactly zero, and one have

Re: Introducing dgit - git integration with the Debian archive

2013-08-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/8/22 Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk: I'm pleased to announce that dgit 0.7, which is a version of dgit suitable for alpha and beta testers, is available in unstable. From the manpage: dgit [dgit-opts] clone [dgit-opts] package [suite] [./dir|/dir] dgit

Re: jenkins vs. debile [was: Re: Bits from the Release]

2013-09-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/9/27 Michael Tautschnig m...@debian.org: [...] Would you/Matthias be willing to share the feedback on jenkins more widely? I do presently run a system with ~60,000 jobs, and, yes, this is probably somewhat beyond what jenkins was meant to scale to. Yet jenkins does have the

Re: Bug#719673: ITP: needrestart -- needrestart checks which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades

2013-10-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/8/22 Paul Wise p...@debian.org: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote: PackageKit can do that ;-) It has a plugin to check for shared libraries in use, I just haven't tested in yet. It should show the names of services which need to be restarted after a security

Re: Bug#719673: ITP: needrestart -- needrestart checks which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades

2013-10-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/14 Paul Wise p...@debian.org: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote: It just checks that - I wanted it to look for upload-priorities in Debian changelogs some time ago, but doing that was just way too slow. Higher upload priorities doesn't indicate a security fix

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/24 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org: [...] If Gnome depends on gnome-settings-daemon, which now depends on systemd, this might be a worrying trend, as non-Linux kernels don't support systemd. Well, that's one more reason the init system and the dbus services should be separated out

Re: Proposal: switch init system to systemd or upstart

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org: On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:29:54 +0200 m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: It is more and more obvious that modern software needs an event-based init system. Pros: - more features - stable support for advanced boot/SAN environments - being more

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de: Paul Tagliamonte paultag at debian.org writes: Decide any technical matter where Developers' jurisdictions overlap. This is more or less a political question (and one of trust and one to FINALLY decide what package maintainers and porters can

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org: On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:36:30 -0400 Marvin Renich m...@renich.org wrote: However, it is obviously true that systemd as the default init system is controversial, and that GNOME depends on it. While GNOME may work with systemd installed but not PID

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org: [...] One thing I will say here and now: if I feel under pressure from my employer to vote a particular way, then I will immediately recuse myself from the vote and from further part in the discussion. I'd hope that would be generally understood

Re: Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/29 Steven Chamberlain ste...@pyro.eu.org: [...] Just wondering, if systemd upstream cares only for Linux and that's considered okay, might they also start dropping support for architectures they stop caring about (or for commercial reasons)? Say MIPS, s390, SPARC. In that case,

Re: Debian Developers team in Launchpad

2013-12-16 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/12/16 Tae Wong seotaewon...@gmail.com: Here is a post to LibreOffice's problem with the editing copyright message: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-December/058214.html You're not subscribed to debian-devel and LibreOffice's mailing list. I have the feeling that this

Re: CUPS is now linked against OpenSSL

2014-01-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014/1/11 Andreas Metzler ametz...@bebt.de: Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: [...] What are the chances of cups re-licensing (dual-licensing) to GPL2+? This would be a step in the right direction. (in worst case use some other software package than cups as default for printing)

Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-02-11 17:03 GMT+01:00 vita...@yourcmc.ru: [...] And if I _really_ needed a binary index, I would put it in a separate file. Guess what journald is doing ;-) And if the journal is not running in persistent mode, this extra logfile only exists temporarily and everything is forwarded to

Re: its developers and its users. [was: something from util-linux]

2014-02-12 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-02-12 12:26 GMT+01:00 Oleg lego12...@yandex.ru: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:51:38AM +0100, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: I'm using debian and i don't want to use systemd in any form (with gnome3, etc). Great. gnome3 does not depend on systemd directly. It depends on some interfaces

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-04-05 20:18 GMT+02:00 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net: On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 07:57:50PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Could you please sum up those discussions and explain what kind of changes you would consider to be productive? I can sum up the discussions that were

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-04-28 2:16 GMT+02:00 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org: On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: And simultaneous installation of multiple versions of packages is simply a requirement for many research computing scenarios, usually because there's a lot of bespoke scientific code that

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-05-11 15:55 GMT+02:00 Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de: On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:50:55 +0200, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: There is no way to avoid the userspace.exe blob Debian is soon made of. To be fair, the major Linuxes will soon be made of that. Red Hat wants it that way.

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-05-13 15:01 GMT+02:00 Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de: On Mon, 12 May 2014 13:58:31 +0200, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le lundi 12 mai 2014 à 12:16 +0200, Andrew Shadura a écrit : As far as GDM is concerned, any bug reported with systemd-shim installed will be

Bug#752900: ITP: appstream-glib -- Library for AppStream metadata access

2014-06-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthias Klumpp m...@debian.org * Package name: appstream-glib Version : 0.1.6 Upstream Author : Richard Hughes * URL : http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appstream-glib/ * License : LGPLv2+ Programming Lang: C

Re: Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-01 19:38 GMT+02:00 Eric Valette eric.vale...@free.fr: I think that this would be an annoying waste of time for most users, since only a few people care so much about not being tainted by systemd I do not care being tainted by systemd when it works. Actually on two very different

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-03 0:40 GMT+02:00 Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at: On Wed, 02 Jul 2014, Joerg Jaspert wrote: And should we open the archive for a series of i hate $tool, i never want it packages, where do we stop? In theory we could end up with a load of them. Joertg, please be reasonable. You

Re: let missing-debian-source-format lintian tag be a warning!

2014-07-15 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-16 0:44 GMT+02:00 Mattia Rizzolo mat...@mapreri.org: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org wrote: This would be far better solved with a system conffile of some sort like /etc/dpkg/dpkg-source.cfg, which admittedly doesn't exist yet. in general I feel

Re: I have to write a software center application

2014-07-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Only a short answer, because I am currently on the run - if you need more information on this matter, feel free to contact me off-list. First, I recommend using PackageKit[1][2], which is an easy-to-use abstraction layer for package managers, running on a wide variety of distributions. This

Re: systemd-sysv/shim in testing

2014-07-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-27 22:08 GMT+02:00 Sven Bartscher sven.bartsc...@weltraumschlangen.de: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:21:56 +0200 Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi, On Sonntag, 27. Juli 2014, Dominik George wrote: To make it short: I suggest that systemd should only migrate together with

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-08-13 22:05 GMT+02:00 Anthony F McInerney afm...@gmail.com: But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right extensions it is more pleasant. So the question is does debian have the extensions he speaks of? (and) Have debian tweaked those extensions by default, to his liking? And

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-08-13 22:59 GMT+02:00 Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with every release and ships them with the official GNOME release. From the README found in gnome-shell

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-05 15:12 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com: On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 14:20 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Thus, unless the user explicitly tells the apt{-get,itude} subsystem not to switch to systemd (by whatever means, the details of which I personally am not at all

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-05 17:23 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com: On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 16:07 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2014-09-05 15:12 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com: On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 14:20 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: How? All efforts so far and bugs

Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-05 19:52 GMT+02:00 Zack Weinberg za...@panix.com: Steve Langasek wrote: No, that's not the true package relationship. There's no reason that you should always get this added service by default when you install a system with non-systemd init that doesn't need logind. Making this a

PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-10 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hello! (This is just a quick heads-up for the PackageKit-using people in Debian, so if you don't use PK, you can skip this mail.) We are currently cleaning up PackageKit[1] upstream, which means some functionality will soon no longer be available anymore. Short-term (= with one of the next uploads

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-11 16:33 GMT+02:00 Salvo Tomaselli tipos...@tiscali.it: In data giovedì 11 settembre 2014 15:40:31, Ansgar Burchardt ha scritto: Well, online updates do break software from time to time on my system. For system services they usually work fine as they can be restarted by the upgrade

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-12 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-12 1:49 GMT+02:00 Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com: El mié, 10 de sep 2014 a las 5:34 , Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net escribió: [...] What are the options? I would like if apps could say somehow (maybe an extension to the AppStream format?) whether they need offline

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-12 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-12 15:35 GMT+02:00 Thorsten Glaser t.gla...@tarent.de: On Thu, 11 Sep 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Well, online updates do break software from time to time on my system. I’ve had to do unattended updates of our old Kubuntu desktop at work at shutdown time as well, due to breakage

Re: Bug#761348: ftp.debian.org: need machine-readable metadata about suites repositories

2014-09-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-14 15:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Wise p...@debian.org: [Drop the bug since it seems OT there] On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: we have the python-distro-info package which at least holds some of that info. how/where would you see that in your picture? That has the

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-10-13 18:23 GMT+02:00 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I really don't buy the argument that the GR proposal was too quiet to be noticed by 6+ people. I mean: the proposition happened to be in the middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing

Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-10-21 17:24 GMT+02:00 Robert Lemmen rober...@semistable.com: hi matthias, On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:35:20PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: [...] first place. Having ten processes responsible for bitspieces of what systemd-as-PID1 does instead of one isn't a benefit -- not if all you

Bug#768471: ITP: pk-update-icon -- Displays an update-notification tray icon

2014-11-07 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthias Klumpp m...@debian.org * Package name: pk-update-icon Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Guido Berhoerster g...@opensuse.org * URL : https://code.guido-berhoerster.org/projects/pk-update-icon/ * License : GPL-2.0

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-13 22:56 GMT+01:00 Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:39:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org writes: We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right now. We told the users they will switch init

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) Hi, On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: With systemd you can ship a default configuration in /lib/systemd/system and administrators can override specific options, for

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-20 17:44 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: Quoting Matthias Klumpp (2014-11-20 17:15:50) 2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) Hi, On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: With systemd you can

Re: systemd breaking display manager - no way to force?

2014-11-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 2:53 GMT+01:00 Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at: Hi Andrei, - purge lxdm (remove might do it as well, but just for good measure) - reconfigure lightdm (to make sure display-manager.service symlink points to lightdm.service) Yes, indeed, there is a bug in the service file

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 20:30 GMT+01:00 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org: Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes: Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12) I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file systems to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system that has

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 22:10 GMT+01:00 Simon McVittie s...@debian.org: On 22/11/14 19:54, Matthias Klumpp wrote: (Maybe systemd has smarter methods for that case which I don't know of) I think RequiresMountsFor is what you're looking for. ConditionFileExists is not the right thing here: the Condition

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-28 23:29 GMT+01:00 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:36:22PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21:48PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Is that as easy as running current GNOME without systemd, which is surely possible? Much easier. Note that

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