Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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I've tried to do this before and encountered:
See dpkg-shlibdeps(1) for details of the format of shared library
dependency files.
which of course is recursive and that man page
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Usually because the binaries shipped with the package use internal,
undocumented interfaces that are not available to the rest of the world
and hence are not considered part of the SONAME (i.e., upstream
, upload notifications (the one that includes the changelog) are
not, so far as I can tell, sent to the maintainer by default and I end up
subscribing to the PTS to get those even for packages where I'm the only
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start putting
things into /etc/profile.d assuming that they are then seen by all shells,
it will break things quite badly and cause exactly the sort of problems
that Policy was designed to protect against.
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that disagreement, particularly given Manoj's detailed
reasoning, be grounds in and of itself for rejection from NEW.
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docs, including RFCs that are not in the public
domain or otherwise have a free license. My opinion is that a mass bug
filing is warranted if the person doing the filing has looked over the RFC
in question and double-checked that it really does have a non-free
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libraries? Perhaps on
architectures other than x86? Or is this historical cruft from long-ago
completed transitions that should now go away?
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that lintian already has a
framework for checking for bad dependencies. It's basically just another
branch in an if statement.
What's the precise check? Any package depending on python-minimal should
receive an error (or a warning?) with roughly the text of Steve's previous
message?
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they get back the same thing.
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just taking a really long time to work through
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You can't right now because GnuTLS support is only available for 2.1. 2.2
and later will need substantial reworking of that support, and without it,
the OpenSSL licensing issues cause too many
something to be aware of.
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for the testable changes in Policy as we go, people
actually *notice* Policy changes. :)
lintian, like debian-policy and every other package, will also
occasionally have bugs. This one in particular, in both cases, won't even
have migrated to testing. It'll be fine, honest.
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from the X package side,
though.
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that say that work done by the government is automatically public domain
are undermined by enough special cases that it's best not to rely on them
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In practice, the rules that say that work done by the government is
automatically public domain...
Work done by US federal government employees on government time is
effectively public domain. This does _not_ apply to work done
there are packages to do this, using some module that
can speak SMTP is often the path of least resistance.
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Scripsit Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
More generally, Perl modules to send mail rather than using
/usr/sbin/sendmail are often useful with web applications (or other
applications that need security isolation) that are running in a
chroot. To use
you got the kernel packages from?
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and
am not going to proactively work on this, but as with any other niche
platform, well-formed, minimal patches are gratefully accepted and will be
applied for the next upload. (This would change were this platform
accepted as an officially supported Debian release platform.)
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hardware or the OS/compiler cannot be tested without extra
costs. Often, ports to such systems are done without feedback to the
original author.
Yes. There is no (non-trivial) portable software, only software that has
been ported.
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mind if need be.
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with...
In the other jurisdictions that you're familiar with, is there any similar
principal where if you make a recorded public statement that something is
okay, you cannot then later sue someone for doing what you said was okay?
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that could take on such an obligation
other than the SPI, and I think it's clear that the SPI didn't in this
case. I'd say that the obvious interpretation would be that the
ftp-masters take on that responsibility individually.
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Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 20:20:09 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
It's an important document and certainly something that every developer
should read and endeavor to follow where it makes sense, but things go
into the Developer's Reference rather than Policy
a
DPL every year. Of course, since I'm not one, I got that
wrong./sarcasm
That would make Debian, at most, a republic, not a democracy.
(Sorry, pet peeve.)
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On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:26:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
That would make Debian, at most, a republic, not a democracy.
Would you care to elaborate and explain it isn't a democratic republic
then?
Debian's delegate system makes it very strongly
Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:51:21AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
And whether it's a democratic republic or some other form of hybrid
mostly depends on whether you consider ftp-master to be a delegate
position or a somewhat independent check, a question
Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 23:25:28 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You're correct. So can you give reasonable and legitimate reasons why
one might not wish to follow the you must guidelines in this
instance?
Two, actually
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* Package name: xml-security-c
Version : 1.2.1
Upstream Author : The Apache Software Foundation
* URL : http://xml.apache.org/security/
* License : Apache 2.0
Programming Lang: C
. Not disagreeing there.
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On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 05:28:07PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
* Package name: xml-security-c
Programming Lang: C++
Description : C++ library for XML Digital Signatures
If it is a C++ library, please name the package xml-security-c
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 23 May 2006, Russ Allbery wrote:
I'd really rather stick with the upstream name,
Why not ask upstream WHY they are misnaming the library?
libxml-security-c++ is a perfectly ok and valid name...
I'll ask, but again
a legal opinion, we needed to
go to the SPI counsel. Volunteering legal opinions on a public mailing
list sounds like a very risky endeavor for a lawyer, and I'm very
surprised that there are lawyers doing so. Could you point to some of
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. If you have an ID card, you have to surrender it to get a
driver's license. You're only legally allowed one ID.
You can get a passport.
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You can get a passport.
Yeah, if I really want to give a country I don't really have much of any
allegence to, and consider foreign, my money and wait around for a few
months. I'm Oregonian
of divergence and maintenance burden that Debian really doesn't
need. The advantages are not compelling enough, IMO.
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involved, and I think it would be an
excellent idea to involve them even now. If nothing else, I expect that
would neatly cut through the uncertainty and legal speculation and provide
a real opinion on the license.
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John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 07:43:10PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think I lost a thread of the argument here. How does the acceptance
into non-free of a package by the ftp-masters commit SPI to a legally
binding agreement?
The first paragraph
George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 06:11, Russ Allbery wrote:
You believe that it's pretty clear that *SPI* is distributing the
software? Could you trace your reasoning here?
Nobody said that and you know it.
Uh, well, believe it or not, that really did seem
and the closer we can make the
relationship between SPI's lawyer and the ftp-master evaluation of
questionable licensing, the less I'll worry about weird license clauses
and questionable provisions.
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never could figure out just what was going on from the CDBS makefiles. (I
believe this bug has subsequently been fixed.)
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should be doing in the
build machinery for OpenAFS (which is unfortunately complex) that I'm not
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On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 06:44:47PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I'm not sure what to do with bug #374367 against OpenAFS, so I'm asking
for advice. The short version (slightly longer version in the bug log)
is that the archive has switched from gcc 4.0
and so forth aren't illegal?
This is precisely how many non-free or GPL incompatible applications
communicate with GPL'ed ones.
Because the Linux kernel adds an additional clause, in the form of a
statement of the author's interpretation of the license, saying that such
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Because the Linux kernel adds an additional clause, in the form of a
statement of the author's interpretation of the license, saying that
such modules are okay.
Are you saying that the NVIDIA driver for Linux
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happening between what dpkg and related
tools are generating and what tar is now expecting?
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was waiting a little
to see if anything came out of the other tar oddity that I reported last
night that also needed to be changed, but I'll probably upload it soon
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to Subversion for this. It will be in the
next upload, including a pointer to the -n option of help2man.
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Conflicting with itself, if its
package name doubles as a virtual package.
So, are people sure this is not useful even if the package name doubles as
a virtual package? It seems to me like it would be. Or are people just
arguing that that case will never occur?
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Il giorno mar, 25/07/2006 alle 18.10 -0700, Russ Allbery ha scritto:
So, are people sure this is not useful even if the package name doubles
as a virtual package? It seems to me like it would be. Or are people
just arguing that that case
to attack future ssh connections to the system.
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the contents of debian/patches than by running
filterdiff on diff.gz and then trying to work through the intermingled
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Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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After every upstream merger, I have to review every patch applied to
the package *anyway* to make sure that it's still sane, and I find that
easier to do by reading through the contents of debian/patches than
Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Centralized darcs):
In my experience, the key difference between whether or not I want to
use a patch system like quilt is whether I have an upstream to which I
need to feed self-contained patches that may go unapplied
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upstream whenever possible, since that way (as previously
mentioned) signatures are still valid, MD5 checksums are still valid, etc.
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then the user really knows what he wants to do. The
policy itself is about removing all configuration files on purge, but
does this include user data like supplied DNS records?
Both PostgreSQL and the MIT Kerberos KDC (following PostgreSQL) ask the
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the experience of dealing with FDS's
technological predecessor. Is it just the multi-master replication that
people are interested in?
(Whatever the answer is, assuming there is some compelling feature not
found in OpenLDAP, it should go into the package description.)
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, why isn't there a lintian check which reports this problem?
Probably just because no one has written one yet. :)
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package did not depend from
debconf.
Ah, yes, if you don't ship debconf templates with the package and just use
results saved by other packages, dh_installdebconf doesn't know to include
the dependency in ${misc:Depends} and you have to do it manually.
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has a better idea.
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and have yet to have anything
significant break. I'm sure that it will at some point, but the rate is,
in my experience, no more frequent than once every six months, if that.
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which can be extremely useful.) And, with orphaned packages or packages
with busy maintainers, it's often better to take problems up with upstream
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-specific modifications). But
given the choice between not mentioning the upstream bug reporting address
at all or including it in ways that may be confusing, the latter seems
clearly superior to me.
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On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 01:34:56PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
For the past week, I've started getting errors like the following when
building any packages in pbuilder that include shared libraries with
the current tool chain in unstable:
dpkg-shlibdeps
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I don't think it's not a good revision control system is a good
reason to refuse the package, for exactly the same reason that Debian
still packages a telnet client even though everyone really should be
using SSH
by the archive software?
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Thanks for the confirmation!
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
also sprach Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.23.1908 +0200]:
Is there a document anywhere outside of the dpkg source that explains
the algorithm for how version numbers are ordered by the archive
software?
http
wasn't ready to
change yet. Wasn't it waiting on implementation of that feature in dak,
which is currently using ~ internally for something else?
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programs, but each of those four
programs are considerably simpler than sed or awk and the ways in which
they're being used are very common ones.
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, and then make the
change.
Would not changing a privacy policy in that fashion with only opt-out
notification be illegal in countries with real privacy laws? I know I
personally would consider it akin to the sorts of games that commercial
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expose a C++ interface.
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are interested in working on this, I'd be
glad to be part of a maintainer team.
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penetration yet, so far as
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Does the NFS v4 userland work with MIT Kerberos 1.4? (I have 1.4.2
packages nearly done, and am just waiting on glibc to unblock the world so
that the current security fix in sid can get into etch for m68k before I
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not true.
Something like patch available would sound a lot better to me than
patched, although it's longer. That's then still true even if the patch
is bad and just hasn't been triaged yet.
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over the bug
logs and wanting to be helpful (like me) will skip over the bug on the
assumption that it's already being dealt with. So if the maintainer isn't
happy with the solution, they should remove the patch tag so that others
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* Russ Allbery [Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:47:12 -0700]:
Unfortunately, for a package with a moderate number of bugs (10-30), it
adds a lot of clutter without a lot of clarity. Because of that, it
would be great if there were some option down in the settings
actually happen.
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if upstream is still
there, if the package has been superseded, if something else in Debian now
does thes same job, etc.
Closing after a year sounds great to me. If there's ongoing interest, the
bug will be opened again.
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Debian repository and tell people to add it
to /etc/apt/sources.list. It's not exactly hard.
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Package: wnpp
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* Package name: libstat-lsmode-perl
Version : 0.50
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* URL : http://www.plover.com/~mjd/perl/lsMode/
* License : GPL or Artistic
and visible to anyone who is looking at
the BTS for that package (ruling out user tags), and none of the other
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thing help either, though.
INN isn't affected by default but is affected in a few misconfigurations
that are exacerbated by this.
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non-native packages. It would also be
a good idea to make sure such things didn't turn up in the diff (caused by
the Debian package maintainer importing the source into a revision control
system when packaging it and then not building the source package
properly, for instance).
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