Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
generation because of .localdomain. There have been a few separate cases of that over the past year or so. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Oct 06, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See the news.software.nntp traffic with people having strange problems with pathnames and message ID generation because of .localdomain. There have been a few separate cases of that over the past year

Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery writes: No, they won't, because INN ignores hostnames that do not contain a period for the purposes of generating external identifiers, specifically to keep from using things like localhost or other unqualified names that aren't globally

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
isn't the problem. Modification and redistribution of modified versions is the problem, and that restriction was apparently intentional. So unfortunately, it's more than just a matter of getting the IETF to be clearer. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Best practices for kernel modules

2005-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
to that documentation). Any advice, suggestions, or pointers to best practices would be greatly appreciated. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Packages that need to be rebuilt agaisnt libssl0.9.8

2005-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
. At least in my testing, binaries built against an unversioned library work fine with a versioned library. Maybe I wasn't testing properly? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Effort to change IETF's copying conditions for RFCs

2005-10-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 06 Oct 2005, Russ Allbery wrote: Unlimited distribution isn't the problem. Modification and redistribution of modified versions is the problem, and that restriction was apparently If the IETF allows modified versions

Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-10-07 Thread Russ Allbery
purpose does it serve to have that name in /etc/hosts? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-10-08 Thread Russ Allbery
: 127.0.0.1 localhost loopback IRIX 6.5: 127.0.0.1 localhost Tru64 4.0G: 127.0.0.1 localhost -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-10-31 Thread Russ Allbery
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 11:18:57AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: * Obtain the system host name with gethostname(). * Look up an IP address for that host with gethostbyname(). The bug is here. This is completely wrong but sadly very common practice

Re: Dependencies of -dev packages

2005-10-31 Thread Russ Allbery
could probably make many of those conflicts go away.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#315059: Drop KRB4 support from HEIMDAL

2005-10-31 Thread Russ Allbery
K4 support in Debian on our account. We have a handful of local packages that do the bits that are necessary for us and that we'll drop as soon as we finish our migration. Note that I don't speak for SLAC, but I think they're mostly using Red Hat. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Dependencies of -dev packages

2005-11-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 11:15:35PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: I don't consider this to be a good solution. #include krb5.h is part of the API, and forcing all packages that want to build with Kerberos to use special compiler flags to find include files

Re: more tolerant licensing for Debian infrastructure

2005-11-03 Thread Russ Allbery
to change the licensing on its libc to make it GPL-compatible. The chances of changing the license on all of the GPL-covered software to make it CDDL-compatible are remote at best. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Russ Allbery
distributions one wants to support and what licenses one will need to be compatible with before just slapping the same label on it as on all of one's other software. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Russ Allbery
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery writes: Licensing libc or other vital system libraries is tricky and hard, and one should think very carefully about what distributions one wants to support and what licenses one will need to be compatible... I think that Sun did just

Re: Bug#338203: 73 pkgs contain debhelper maintscript remnant (cruft?)

2005-11-08 Thread Russ Allbery
# generated by other debhelper scripts. #DEBHELPER# This refers to the #DEBHELPER# token. In any case, I would like to request that lintian includes a check to ensure that new packages do not contain that text. Please don't. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: Bug#338203: 73 pkgs contain debhelper maintscript remnant (cruft?)

2005-11-08 Thread Russ Allbery
as well, but the comment is informative to new packagers looking at the source package and doesn't really hurt anything. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: bug closing etiquette

2005-11-08 Thread Russ Allbery
of annoying that Autoconf's build system tries to run Automake, though. I wonder if that's fixable. If someone *does* have automake-1.7a installed, they may not get the same build that everyone else gets. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Determining a .deb's intended Debian Version

2005-11-09 Thread Russ Allbery
this sort of hack is required. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFC: drop kerberos4-support?

2005-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
be there in the MIT package until at least that time, and there are some sites who are still in the process of transitioning away, so I wouldn't want to see too many things disappear too quickly, but it's certainly time to think about how to drop it over time. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: RFC: drop kerberos4-support?

2005-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Find out what is required to keep AFS support working (assuming I don't already have it). Well, what sort of AFS environment? The answer is different if you mean AFS using kaserver than if you mean AFS using krb524 or native K5. -- Russ Allbery

Re: RFC: drop kerberos4-support?

2005-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
expect, though, that Stanford will be in a situation where that will be fine with us by December, and we're historically one of the slower sites to migrate, so maybe it will be okay. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: RFC: drop kerberos4-support?

2005-11-13 Thread Russ Allbery
explains how to set up OpenAFS with Kerberos v5 authentication via krb524d, and at least with the packages in sid it's been fairly well-tested. The setup scripts needed a bit of work that I just recently finished. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread Russ Allbery
more than FUD, although I agree that it's not specifics. I agree that it's unclear at the moment whether the problem is unique to OpenLDAP or whether other applications would encounter the same problem. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Bug#304709: ITP: libafs-perl -- Perl interface to the AFS distributed filesystem

2005-04-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libafs-perl Version : 2.2.3 Upstream Author : Norbert Gruener [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/kwiki/nog/afsperl/ * License : GPL or Artistic

Bug#304728: ITP: webauth -- Cookie-based web authentication using Kerberos

2005-04-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: webauth Version : 3.2.4 Upstream Author : WebAuth Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://webauthv3.stanford.edu/ * License : MIT/X Description : cookie-based web

Bug#304731: ITP: sident -- ident protocol varient with strong SASL authentication

2005-04-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: sident Version : 3.3 Upstream Author : Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/sident/ * License : BSD (the CMU varient thereof

Bug#304745: ITP: kstart -- Kerberos kinit variant supporting ticket refreshing

2005-04-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: kstart Version : 2.3 Upstream Author : Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/kstart/ * License : MIT/X Description : Kerberos

Bug#304747: ITP: remctl -- remote Kerberos-authenticated command execution

2005-04-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: remctl Version : 1.7 Upstream Author : Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/remctl/ * License : MIT/X Description : remote

Bug#304839: ITP: libauthen-krb5-perl -- Perl extension for Kerberos 5 API

2005-04-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libauthen-krb5-perl Version : 1.4 Upstream Author : Jeff Horwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : ftp://ftp.cpan.org/CPAN/modules/by-modules/Authen/ * License : GPL or Artistic

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-20 Thread Russ Allbery
of discussion there was about it at the time. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Temporal Release Strategy

2005-04-20 Thread Russ Allbery
stable). This kind of problems that can occur every day in sarge _are_ dangerous problems. Yeah, this is more the thing that I'd worry about when running sarge on a server. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: mplayer 1.0pre7

2005-04-25 Thread Russ Allbery
at: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html it's more clear what's going on; some packages are sitting, but most things are being approved very quickly. mplayer (and hot-babe) are among the ones that are sitting. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: Upgrade dependencies of a package

2005-04-28 Thread Russ Allbery
dealing with, so if that isn't the right answer, more details would be useful. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Should Debian use lsb init-functions?

2005-05-03 Thread Russ Allbery
changes happen that are lintian-verifiable seems a lot easier to do than making changes that aren't. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#308429: ITP: libpgp-sign-perl -- Perl module to create detached PGP signatures

2005-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libpgp-sign-perl Version : 0.19 Upstream Author : Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/pgp-sign/ * License : GPL or Artistic

Bug#308431: ITP: libnews-article-perl -- Perl modules for manipulating Usenet articles

2005-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libnews-article-perl Version : 1.27 Upstream Author : Andrew Gierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.erlenstar.demon.co.uk/perl/ * License : GPL or Artistic

Re: dependency on base package adduser ?

2005-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
. Essential is a special flag that's separate from the priority. You still have to depend on even Priority: required packages that you use if they're not essential. Anyway, adduser is only Priority: important, which means that it's quite possible for it to not be installed. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL

Re: adduser: what is the difference between --disabled-password and--disabled-login

2005-05-12 Thread Russ Allbery
to itself, but a lot of the other SSH clients out there only know password. Any corrections welcome; I figured out the above by reading the source code and looking at protocol traces and I may still have the details wrong. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org

Re: need help on #271678 (sizefo struct?)

2005-05-15 Thread Russ Allbery
). This is an incompatible change in the kernel headers, and there isn't any way for the code to compile on both systems without some additional portability work. If you don't care about supporting woody, the current code is correct. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org

Re: need help on #271678 (sizefo struct?)

2005-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
, sx25.sx25_addr, sizeof sx25.sx25_addr); This will work with either definition of sx25_address. D'oh, yes, very good point. That's the clearly better way of doing this; I got too caught up in the wrong approach. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: RES: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
the cost to establish and is just maintaining. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RES: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The difference being that Debian has already split /usr from / and therefore is only paying the marginal cost of maintaining it, whereas Debian has not split /usr/lib from /usr/libexec and would have to pay

Re: RES: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-18 Thread Russ Allbery
objection, that wouldn't convince me anyway. For me, this is a closed issue until you change the FHS. (Something that I don't think is very likely to happen, but best of luck to you.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: unrar version confusion

2005-05-20 Thread Russ Allbery
: there to increase the epoch. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Regarding unresponsive Debian maintainers

2005-05-23 Thread Russ Allbery
implementation to fix and upstream isn't interested. Consider #56930 on gtimer, for example. I would exclude wishlist and forwarded bugs from that sort of metric, at least. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Regarding unresponsive Debian maintainers

2005-05-23 Thread Russ Allbery
this is a small percentage of the problems. The cases where there are real personality conflicts get the most ink in the mailing lists, since they're far more likely to turn into big public fights, but I think they're a significant minority in the set of packages with lots of bugs. -- Russ Allbery

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-30 Thread Russ Allbery
picking personal fights with the release team and speculating wildly and as negatively as possible about their motives. Please stop. It's obnoxious, abusive, and unhelpful. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Russ Allbery
any workarounds that had been found. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Russ Allbery
about the last 1%. Doing something reasonable and then going with it will produce results that will be quite acceptable in practice. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-06-02 Thread Russ Allbery
as I'm concerned. It's usually a good sign when matters get to the point that people are committing things rather than talking about what to commit.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: New Debian Package Customization HOWTO

2005-06-04 Thread Russ Allbery
: /usr/sbin/pbuilder bob ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends This is sufficient in my experience. Also, note that your sample pbuilder script looks like it was miswrapped; the script is showing up on the same line as the #!/bin/sh line. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: New Debian Package Customization HOWTO

2005-06-04 Thread Russ Allbery
that inefficient, unless I'm misreading something. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New Debian Package Customization HOWTO

2005-06-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 05:58:18PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Eep, please don't tell people to give themselves full privileges with sudo unless they know what they're doing. The sudo configuration here is just to run pbuilder, right? If so

Architecture restrictions and arch: all binary packages

2005-06-10 Thread Russ Allbery
is that the kernel source isn't *really* arch: all, since it's pretty useless right now on those four platforms, but making it arch-dependent is just wrong and a huge waste of space.) Any suggestions gratefully accepted. Thanks! -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: Architecture restrictions and arch: all binary packages

2005-06-10 Thread Russ Allbery
this fact. Ah, thank you! I didn't know about this. I will drop them a note. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Why apt-get is not a proper software search engine

2005-06-12 Thread Russ Allbery
information. Maybe popularity-contest should pay attention to that as well? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Why apt-get is not a proper software search engine

2005-06-12 Thread Russ Allbery
don't have any good suggestions for how to make it faster. I should find some free time and play with a profiler (For that matter, the dpkg delay on Reading database is kind of annoying too. Hm. Good project for someone.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org

Re: Better brand recognition for new Debian (etch)

2005-06-14 Thread Russ Allbery
, testing is sometimes uninstallable. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Russ Allbery
then moves the whole thing unambiguously into DFSG #4. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-15 Thread Russ Allbery
of the points of the md5sum verification is to ensure that the binaries haven't been tampered with. If one can tamper with the binaries by modifying some file in /var/cache instead, doesn't that just reintroduce the same problem? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Russ Allbery
. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 08:20:48PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Second, the real problems with rebranding are not with the technical work that has to happen, from the sound of it. They're with user recognition and the ability of users to find the right

Re: heimdal/mit-krb mix in ssh-krb5 via libnss-ldap

2005-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
the rest of the program, but I don't know if that's sufficient to prevent this sort of clobber. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2005-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
in a long time. Someone really needs to step up to the place and adopt it if we're going to keep it. I'm tempted personally too, but I'm not willing to adopt a non-free package, and I think it probably really is still non-free (being familiar with the similar issue with Angband). -- Russ Allbery

Re: [the perfectly harmless] heimdal/mit-krb mix in ssh-krb5 via libnss-ldap

2005-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
and a minor one against ssh-krb5 for the crappy debug lines. Speaking as co-maintainer of both packages, works for me. :) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-19 Thread Russ Allbery
to this. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian concordance

2005-06-19 Thread Russ Allbery
quality that make it easier for derivative distributions to not diverge, I'm all in favor of that and will help as much as I can. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-25 Thread Russ Allbery
. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Russ Allbery
for packages they don't have installed. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-19 Thread Russ Allbery
into debian/copyright. I could be missing something, though. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: If the upstream license doesn't require that we preserve the copyright statement (or if upstream doesn't have them), I'm not sure we need to be requiring that they be collected into debian/copyright. I am

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-19 Thread Russ Allbery
, we are operating completely in the dark as to who is empowered to restrict distribution or grant it. I fail to see how collecting strings from the source files leaves us any less in the dark about whether the claimed authors are legally empowered to license it. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org

Revising Policy 12.5 (Copyright information)

2009-03-20 Thread Russ Allbery
are, whereas right now there's a lot of grey area. (For example, up until I started experimenting with the new copyright file format, I never documented the license or copyright information for any of the Autotools-generated files, and I never heard a peep of concern about that.) -- Russ Allbery (r

Re: Revising Policy 12.5 (Copyright information)

2009-03-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org writes: Le Friday 20 March 2009 19:12:02 Russ Allbery, vous avez écrit : Maybe the best resolution to this is to have a broader discussion that leads to a rewording of Policy 12.5 that makes the requirements explicit, with ftp-master buy-in on what

Re: Revising Policy 12.5 (Copyright information)

2009-03-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Kalle Kivimaa kil...@debian.org writes: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: started experimenting with the new copyright file format, I never documented the license or copyright information for any of the Autotools-generated files, and I never heard a peep of concern about

Re: Revising Policy 12.5 (Copyright information)

2009-03-20 Thread Russ Allbery
that's a very common case. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
files? Is there some other larger reason why is this important for the project? (Please note that I'm not assuming that you have no reason. I just don't understand, from the discussion so far, what it is. We can't really have a meaningful discussion until we're all on the same page) -- Russ

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
that a point be represented in public that you're too steamed to make. I expect there are others who would volunteer to do the same. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:15:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Is the reason that you feel most licenses require preservation of the copyright notice and it's easier to enforce it uniformly for all copyright files? Is there some other larger reason why

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
not, then it does not. I don't mean to be excessively blunt, but I'm afraid that this simply isn't legally true. This is coming from a GNU maintainer who has been through the process. They apparently gave you incorrect information then. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:07:23PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: NEW rejections are even stronger than an RC bug. Apart from questions of whether that's useful documentation for users, I have a hard time seeing either of your reasons stated above

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
of mine, including some fairly large ones) that it is indeed quite a bit of extra effort. This is for several reasons, including the simple fact that I read a lot faster than I type. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
-- within the ... documentation, if provided along with the Derivative works -- but I think just installing the NOTICE file is more obviously safe. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
painfully tedious for large packages, and it would be really nice if the people who are deeply concerned that Debian always do this would volunteer to help the Iceweasel, Linux kernel, KDE, and X maintainers, among others, with doing this work). -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
don't have any large packages, and the maintainers are almost certainly happy to accept the work. Doing this review usually doesn't require any other knowledge of the package or any special skills. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
a lot of what makes accumulating copyright notices so annoying. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-24 Thread Russ Allbery
not. (The GPL requirement, which I know we do satisfy, is somewhat weaker.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-24 Thread Russ Allbery
that hard dependency is stronger than the co-distribution of source packages in the same archive area. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: NEW processing

2009-03-24 Thread Russ Allbery
of an already-accepted library package, I can't personally see any value in passing through NEW again. These are already fast-tracked through NEW, so a large queue is mostly not holding these up. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-24 Thread Russ Allbery
the best compromise position on the ballot. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
the whole thing more confrontational. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: packages' config scripts creating files, chroots and buildds.

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
regardless of whether we fix the packages. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org writes: Le Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:45:59 Russ Allbery, vous avez écrit : FWIW, it is not at all clear to me that there was any need for either of those GRs (particularly 2008_002, which did indeed strike me as a waste of the GR process). Well, even

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net writes: On 25/03/09 at 09:06 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: There was a clear need for a clarification. Why we had to vote on the clarification after Ganneff made it clear that it wasn't his intent to implement prior to consensus is still highly perplexing

Re: Keeping track of best practises / policy changes with tracking -devel

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
should be. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: This topic died off; any resolution?

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
. It also leaves one without an easy way of duplicating exactly the tarball that was uploaded with the Debian package. I'm not sure we've reached consensus on the whole discussion, but the above is my current opinion. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-26 Thread Russ Allbery
are not required to use any particular format for debian/copyright, but if you *want* to use a structured format, please use this one. I can see some value in doing that without requiring the format and I think it would fit into the mandate of Policy to do so. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes: On Thu, Mar 26 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: One intermediate way in which I could see this specification going into Policy without it being required for anyone would be to add a subsection of the copyright section that says you are not required

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