Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
it catches a concrete problem and isn't testing the current wording of policy in a vacuum. We at some point do need to get back to the discussion about what policy should say clean should actually do. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
-ASCII characters. and does lintian have a simple check to ensure no illegal characters are in the file as per UTF8 rules? Yup. Has for years. debian-changelog-file-uses-obsolete-national-encoding is the tag. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:53:09PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: debian-changelog-file-uses-obsolete-national-encoding is the tag. I wonder how many packages are triggering that right now. 96. http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tdebian-changelog-file

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
information, etc. Look at all the machinery that gcc goes through to be able to compare two builds to make sure they're the same. We don't want to try to maintain that for every package. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Reasons for recommends and suggests

2007-05-18 Thread Russ Allbery
, or we can introduce a new structured file. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Intention to drop sparc32 support for Lenny

2007-05-22 Thread Russ Allbery
are in the same boat. Can you even buy sun4m hardware any more other than off of eBay? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-05-30 Thread Russ Allbery
it uses lsb-release to fill out information that's handy to use in Puppet rules. Unfortunately, currently lsb-release Recommends: lsb, which then installs the entire world (like apparently large chunks of Qt) if one uses the default behavior of aptitude. (Bug filed.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-05-31 Thread Russ Allbery
currently, and will never be a problem provided that it's fixed before lenny becomes stable. :) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: start-stop-daemon for user processes

2007-06-02 Thread Russ Allbery
like daemontools without the weird licensing. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: start-stop-daemon for user processes

2007-06-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Warren Turkal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Saturday 02 June 2007 21:45, Russ Allbery wrote: Take a look at runit.  It's quite a bit like daemontools without the weird licensing. Runit doesn't appear to be useful for non-system tasks, like starting jackd and restarting it if it dies (i.e

Re: start-stop-daemon for user processes

2007-06-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Warren Turkal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Saturday 02 June 2007 23:03, Russ Allbery wrote: Could you say more about why not?  It looked to me like you could use its supervise equivalent without the whole init replacement stuff. I took a closer look. It looked like the runit wanted

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-05 Thread Russ Allbery
several other opinions. There's no way of separating those out afterwards, and I don't think we're likely to come up with a reasonable ballot on a single license that would do so. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-05 Thread Russ Allbery
the time to do it. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Felipe Sateler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery wrote: The primary barrier to enforcing the use of lintian is #243976. lintian needs to get much better about identifying the source of checks, the certainty that something is wrong, and the severity level so that dak can run lintian

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Russ Allbery] They *usually* do, but not all E tags are certain problems. Of course, maintainers could use overrides. I'm opposed to adding overrides to my packages for cases where, in my view, lintian should somehow have enough information to see

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-06 Thread Russ Allbery
basically a transition issue. (I do agree that the transition could be improved.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #include hallo.h * Russ Allbery [Wed, Jun 06 2007, 08:40:47PM]: No, that's not done by the dependency resolver. That's done by the code that removes packages that you never told it should be installed. This problem goes away completely if you only use

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-08 Thread Russ Allbery
to generate dependencies for packages at build time, and at build time you have the -dev package installed. When you're installing an already-built package, it's not obvious that you're going to care about the symbols files. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-13 Thread Russ Allbery
that we'd get over if this issue were addressed (like the silly words -- there are sillier words in English that just don't sound that way because we're used to them). -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

2007-06-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Luis Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but why should I??? this goes against the testing is always *WORKING* phrase. TESTING IS NOT ALWAYS WORKING. Having to use module-assistant != not working. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

2007-06-13 Thread Russ Allbery
, although with the new mechanism for building modules in main, hopefully that number will drop over time for the free ones. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

2007-06-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Steinar H Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 03:00:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Many non-free drivers (and some free drivers, for that matter) are never automatically built at the moment, although with the new mechanism for building modules in main, hopefully

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

2007-06-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steinar H Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 03:00:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Many non-free drivers (and some free drivers, for that matter) are never automatically built at the moment, although with the new mechanism

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

2007-06-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Luis Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Qua, 2007-06-13 às 15:00 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu: My recommendation is to always use module-assistant for all non-free drivers that you want to use. That way, if there is a build in non-free, you can be pleasantly surprised, but your normal method

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

2007-06-13 Thread Russ Allbery
wants to keep whining about it, I suggest he talk to nvidia. I didn't have many problems even with proprietary drivers. I thought it went quite smoothly. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Odd dh_strip failure with some packages

2007-06-18 Thread Russ Allbery
with this issue, they all seem to have been auto-built on ninsei (in some cases, years ago), which makes me think this may be a very long-standing problem with that particular buildd. I'm not sure who to contact, though (or how to find that out). -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

lintian.debian.org updated to lintian 1.23.31

2007-06-19 Thread Russ Allbery
over the years. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Odd dh_strip failure with some packages

2007-06-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looking at build logs on i386, the common problem for many seems to be variations of: dh_strip strip: unable to copy file 'debian/libwebauth-perl/usr/lib/perl5/auto/WebAuth/WebAuth.so' reason

Re: Odd dh_strip failure with some packages

2007-06-19 Thread Russ Allbery
autobuilt on i386. If dh_strip makes this an error, ninsei is going to stop being able to build various packages, which will probably help get this fixed, I guess. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Odd dh_strip failure with some packages

2007-06-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 03:49:27AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Well, unless the buildd is running with some demented umask, that's not happening with webauth. Everything is created with the default umask. But the default umask may well be 0600

Bug#430140: ITP: hoard -- Fast, scalable, and efficient replacement memory allocator

2007-06-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: hoard Version : 3.6.2 Upstream Author : Emery Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.hoard.org/ * License : GPL (with some docs under Apache 2.0) Programming Lang: C

Re: binNUMUs - all-depends-any

2007-06-23 Thread Russ Allbery
: git-core (= 1:1.5.2.2), git-core ( 1:1.5.2.3~) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#430140: ITP: hoard -- Fast, scalable, and efficient replacement memory allocator

2007-06-24 Thread Russ Allbery
if there are pathological cases; I've personally only used it with OpenLDAP. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#430140: ITP: hoard -- Fast, scalable, and efficient replacement memory allocator

2007-06-24 Thread Russ Allbery
expect would be a problem. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: (glibc's opinion on malloc) Re: Bug#430140: ITP: hoard -- Fast, scalable, and efficient replacement memory allocator

2007-06-25 Thread Russ Allbery
://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-devel/200611/msg4.html http://highlandsun.com/hyc/malloc/ You can also see on those graphs, particularly the last page, the relative performance of tcmalloc, which is more efficient but a little slower. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org

Re: (glibc's opinion on malloc) Re: Bug#430140: ITP: hoard -- Fast, scalable, and efficient replacement memory allocator

2007-06-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Steinar H Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 08:07:55AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: The problem with this theory (basically, that glibc is taking a performance penalty by giving memory back to the system and hence being more space efficient) is that not only is Hoard

Re: (glibc's opinion on malloc) Re: Bug#430140: ITP: hoard -- Fast, scalable, and efficient replacement memory allocator

2007-06-25 Thread Russ Allbery
specifically focuses on doing better than glibc malloc is cache locality. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-06-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would also be useful to include 'nostrip' and 'noopt' in the Build-Options field, as a way to indicate that the package implements those DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. parallel=n as well, while we're at it. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-06-27 Thread Russ Allbery
not usually tested and aren't necessary for properly functioning packages. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Re: standardizing pre-build maintainer actions

2007-06-27 Thread Russ Allbery
. Documented where? Debian Policy 4.9. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Re: FTBFS if built twice in a row

2007-06-29 Thread Russ Allbery
in a row (any package that runs autotools during the build process without doing a complicated dance to preserve the upstream-shipped files, for example), and it's not clear to me that there's a consensus that those packages are really broken. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Version substitution in debian/control

2007-06-29 Thread Russ Allbery
the last part. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FTBFS if built twice in a row

2007-07-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This check would fail many packages that can still be built twice in a row (any package that runs autotools during the build process without doing a complicated dance to preserve the upstream-shipped files

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-02 Thread Russ Allbery
/audacious/Container/libstdio.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Container/libstdio.so: undefined symbol: vfs_register_transport Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Container/libxspf.so): /usr/lib/audacious/Container/libxspf.so: undefined symbol: playlist_get_active -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Russ Allbery
to the problem and is something we can use later on. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Russ Allbery
be represented elsewhere in the package. Yeah, I just saw your other message, and that does make sense, but I don't trust make's ability to tell you what targets are available in the presence of all the complex makefile tricks that Debian packages do. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: RFC: declaritive diversions

2007-07-03 Thread Russ Allbery
diversions tend to go through a lot of false starts in trying to get the ordering right, particularly when a diversion is dropped from a package, so it would be great to see dpkg make this easier. First steps first, I know, but I'd *love* to see this done for alternatives as well. -- Russ Allbery

Re: Missing license info in source files - fixed in upstream svn

2007-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
what the package license is, it's probably worth seeking clarification. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?

2007-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
the same issues. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: virtual package inetd-superserver?

2007-07-08 Thread Russ Allbery
, and so on. Looks like a typo. Why? Should `inetd-superserver' be replaced with `inet-superserver'? Yes. Thanks, fixed in my arch repository. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: patch for versioned symbols in Heimdal shared library

2007-07-09 Thread Russ Allbery
at least be happy to take a patch even if he doesn't have time to write it himself. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Looking for new FTP assistants

2007-07-09 Thread Russ Allbery
and then enforcing that consistently would also be great. People really do use both package priorities and sections still for selecting packages in the package management tools, and it would be great to have them fixed. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: Looking for new FTP assistants

2007-07-09 Thread Russ Allbery
for maintainers to file bugs that aren't lost / mass-deleted due to spam. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery writes (Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?): Currently, policy says that it's recommended (the weakest policy directive) to support noopt and nostrip. My main concern with increasing the strength of that directive

Re: patch for versioned symbols in Heimdal shared library

2007-07-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Out of curiosity, have you talked to Love about this issue Russ already? Given that MIT Kerberos supports symbol versions Russ upstream, I'm a little surprised that Heimdal doesn't

Re: Please all dependency info into your init.d script

2007-07-13 Thread Russ Allbery
of problems are best resolved by making one or the other service more robust in the face of such resources not being available at startup. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-13 Thread Russ Allbery
. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery wrote: A related question that I've been wanting to ask for a while: is it possible to automatically generate desktop files from the menu files? Yes, that's how Gnome and KDE get the Debian menu items in their menus. :-) See /etc/menu

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-13 Thread Russ Allbery
and add that policy to the existing Menu Policy document. Otherwise, packagers of new shells, for example, will look at existing shell packages, see a menu entry, and assume they should add one in the absence of guidance otherwise. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Russ Allbery
should be included and what shouldn't that we can all agree to. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Possibly building OpenAFS 64-bit for sparc

2007-07-16 Thread Russ Allbery
, with the proposed dropping of the 32-bit sparc kernel, perhaps building programs with these sorts of technical requirements for the 64-bit environment is a reasonable thing to do? I welcome any advice. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: Possibly building OpenAFS 64-bit for sparc

2007-07-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the meantime, it needs to either know rather too much about the internals of glibc data structures (which broke as of glibc 2.3) or it needs to have getcontext/setcontext functions. As of the upgrade to glibc 2.3, we've switched the OpenAFS packages

Re: FTBFS if built twice in a row

2007-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not if you use pdebuild or similarly build in a chroot, which IMO everyone should be doing. I use xen instances and that changes nothing at all. 1. My ~/src is mounted inside the build environment so I

Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Based on the arguments I've seen so far, I'm opposed to using the package's Standards-Version for this purpose. I think it conflates different meanings of that field and will get us into serious trouble

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-18 Thread Russ Allbery
an overall transition. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-18 Thread Russ Allbery
bad idea. Uh, this is already done, no? This is merely documentation, as I see it, of the current state and a note that we shouldn't drop that support until after we've finished the transition. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Magnus Holmgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 18 July 2007 19:44, Russ Allbery wrote: Surely any proposal for replacing the menu system with desktop files has to involve generating menu files from desktop files for the benefit of programs that use the menu system and don't understand

Re: Mass bug filing: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-07-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] sident Hm. I don't know best to fix this. The problem is that there's now a libgssapi2 package which provides a generic GSSAPI layer but no actual implementation. S/Ident supports building against any GSSAPI

Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would much prefer to see a new control field that explicitly lists the supported features. We're going to need that *anyway* for any feature that's only a should or recommended and not a must

Re: Mass bug filing: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-07-19 Thread Russ Allbery
a bunch of needless shared library dependencies that create unnecessary interpackage dependencies in Debian. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#433812: ITP: pssh -- Parallel versions of the OpenSSH tools

2007-07-19 Thread Russ Allbery
. If so, just say so in the long description. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Mass bug filing: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-07-20 Thread Russ Allbery
in Heimdal but I did not follow that. Getting it to work with Heimdal does nothing for me. The default Kerberos implementation in Debian is MIT, which already provides its own generic mechglue implementation. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: Mass bug filing: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-07-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know of any Kerberos software, among dozens of packages, that works this way. This simply isn't how multiple Kerberos implementations have ever been handled; they all just check for Heimdal and MIT

Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really don't think that declaring the majority of packages in Debian buggy in this fashion is viable, particularly when nearly all packages in Debian will not benefit from this. My guess is that something

Re: Mass bug filing: Dependency/file list predictability

2007-07-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Freitag 20 Juli 2007 17:47 schrieb Russ Allbery: So in addition to having a --with-krb5 flag specifying the paths to the libraries, I also need to add a --without-* flag for every Kerberos implementation that I support which disables probing

Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All of my packages have build-arch and build-indep targets. None of them benefit from them at all. I expect many other people have similarly added the targets just because, or have the targets provided

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-23 Thread Russ Allbery
you'll be able to build a consensus around your solution as long as it's halfway reasonable. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New Debian Menu Apps/Tools

2007-07-23 Thread Russ Allbery
with the menu maintainer. It's probably better to bring this up with the menu maintainer directly if you want to see something happen, although the new hierarchy that just went into effect was already rather extensively discussed. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org

Re: New Debian Menu Apps/Tools

2007-07-23 Thread Russ Allbery
. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New Debian Menu Apps/Tools

2007-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
category. I wonder if Applications/Desktop would make sense, for desktop utilities, which seems to be the term most used for this kind of thing. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
of separate files per service is definitely better. I'm not sure if I care about all of the other complexity of xinetd, though. I only run inetd for the Kerberos r* protocol daemons anyway, so nearly all my systems have a very simple inetd.conf file with three lines in it. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL

Re: New Debian Menu Apps/Tools

2007-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Linas Žvirblis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery wrote: Rather Applications/Desktop utilities then, but I think that would be a sensible addition. We need a good definition for the section, so that it would not become a dump for packages that do not fit elsewhere. Ideas? Docks

Re: kydpdict relationships

2007-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
-free one when they're both installed. Which I think was left as an open question from the original message. (I currently can't ues Recommends by default because of lsb-release, so I have a bit of a vested interest in solutions that don't require that.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Installing Recommends by default

2007-07-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:26:14AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I currently can't ues Recommends by default because of lsb-release, so I have a bit of a vested interest

Re: New Debian Menu Apps/Tools

2007-07-25 Thread Russ Allbery
exclude gkrellm, xload, etc., which have another category into which they fit better. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-26 Thread Russ Allbery
system. I suppose we could use the format without using its categorization system, but that seems a bit strange and Debian's current menu structure doesn't have the concept of primary and additional categories the way that the freedesktop.org specification does. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Russ Allbery
a lintian check for that. If not, is there something else that lintian can check for? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Russ Allbery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Jul 29, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently, lintian allows any combination of dependencies on the following packages to satisfy the dependency requirement from calling update-inetd in maintainer scripts: update-inetd inet

Re: Non-security updates between stable releases?

2007-07-28 Thread Russ Allbery
-picking specific packages where I need a newer version for feature reasons while keeping the rest of the system running stable. That means there's only a few packages I have to pay special attention to for security vulnerabilities. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: Non-security updates between stable releases?

2007-07-28 Thread Russ Allbery
and possibly the speed of full-blown stable releases from testing. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Russ Allbery
that Marco is complaining about. (I'm pretty sure the long description of the current lintian tag is wrong, though, and I've probably contributed to the problem because of that.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Non-security updates between stable releases?

2007-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
ciol [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery wrote: Are you aware of backports.org? But backports are recompiled packages from testing, and for instance testing is still with iceweasel 2.0.0.3. How is it possible to improve this? If you want to run absolutely bleeding edge code, you have

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
that if/when one is installed, the configuration is in place. Yeah, that's the situation I'm concerned about as well. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Non-security updates between stable releases?

2007-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
or unstable for that, not stable (even with backports). -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 10:46:30PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Couldn't any inet-superserver package that provides its own update-inetd also Provide: update-inetd? Wouldn't that fix the problem? It has to Conflict with update-inetd anyway. FWIW

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-30 Thread Russ Allbery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Jul 31, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at a bit of a loss now as to whether to change lintian's checks or not, although I did update the long description of that tag to not push depending on update-inetd directly. Yes, because it's

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-08-01 Thread Russ Allbery
). -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: /bin/sh diversions

2007-08-01 Thread Russ Allbery
pile of tens of thousands of lines of shell scripts that are internal to their organization, are full of bashisms, that the user isn't supposed to be changing, and which all use /bin/sh. This sort of thing unfortunately happens a lot. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st

2007-08-01 Thread Russ Allbery
and doesn't choose them based on their Recommends-handling behavior! We shouldn't be substituting tool selection for configuration. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

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