Re: LXDE doesnt support Debian Menu

2009-02-26 Thread Russ Allbery
, my impression is that no one is really doing that and instead just implementing what they feel looks best in their environment with the applications that they get bug reports about, which is resulting in a lot of chaos and inconsistency. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http

Re: Upcoming Section changes in the archive

2009-02-27 Thread Russ Allbery
you find the set of available add-ons for a given programming language easily in both searches and browsing when you're looking for something in particular. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Bug#508644: mass bugfiling (against 8 packages) and/or new package default-mta

2009-02-27 Thread Russ Allbery
to To: headers. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Proposed release goal: fix debian/rules build-arch

2009-02-28 Thread Russ Allbery
if this is worth it, you and Steve have convinced me that it is. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-01 Thread Russ Allbery
, resolvable, and unfortunate if you ignore 90% of the problem. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca writes: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca writes: The license issue is problematic, especially since copyright laws differ in different countries. Derivative works is an especially tricky concept since it is so poorly

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
advised to make in the past, I can't imagine any circumstances that would allow libschilly to qualify. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
with that; most people never have to care about these issues, and they're annoying and complicated to understand (and often quite vague in their implications). However, without that understanding, I think it's ill-advised for you to try to insert yourself in the role of mediator. -- Russ Allbery (r

Re: conffile renaming and other sh snippets for maintainer scripts

2009-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
cases. (The obvious disadvantage is that a bunch of maintainer scripts really do need shell, and the ones that could use such an interpreter are already rather simple.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-03 Thread Russ Allbery
into with the upgrade. (FWIW, the only thing we ran into was qLogic's lack of support for current kernels for its HBA drivers, which isn't a Debian issue.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

2009-03-03 Thread Russ Allbery
a backtrace and upstream is very active and very good about analyzing those backtraces. I similarly think it's important to provide debugging symbols for slapd. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-04 Thread Russ Allbery
your packaging VCS is debian-only. (Else, this point is moot. :-) I'm fairly sure that pristine-tar as currently implemented needs the upstream source to be in Git, whether in your local repository or in some remote repository to which you have a reference. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-04 Thread Russ Allbery
will let people modify that target as needed to package future versions. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

2009-03-05 Thread Russ Allbery
almost as much. (I realize that LZMA is a better compression scheme overall, but it's apparently also deprecated, replaced with XZ, and using it in the archive will require further DAK changes or work to switch to XZ instead.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

2009-03-05 Thread Russ Allbery
to lzma. For more info, see http://tukaani.org/xz/ It's possible that XZ archives can be uncompressed with LZMA. I haven't investigated further. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-05 Thread Russ Allbery
that contain multiple upstream source tarballs. Patches to the unpacking scripts are welcome provided that they come with an addition to the test suite. It's a fairly complicated area of the code. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-07 Thread Russ Allbery
. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-08 Thread Russ Allbery
/control but it does override any format given in debian/source/format. but from this thread I gather that it shouldn't be used. What should Lintian do in this area? -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel

Re: Upcoming Section changes in the archive

2009-03-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes: Ok. Lintian does not yet like httpd as a section, but I guess you will not reject an upload just because I listened to you ;-) Lintian is waiting for the d-d-a post saying that the new section changes have been implemented, FWIW. -- Russ Allbery (r

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-09 Thread Russ Allbery
uscan can just check one of them.) If you want to support uscan --download, though, yes, that's another matter. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Mikhail Gusarov dotted...@dottedmag.net writes: gear rules are richer, allowing also to generate patches with git-diff (think of upstream branch and topic-foo branch). I think TopGit is the right solution to this. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: tex-common with triggers support

2009-03-11 Thread Russ Allbery
that isn't needed any more. If that's the case here, please do file a wishlist bug against Lintian with the details. (It's always possible that someone wasn't using debhelper, for example.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Bug#466550: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-11 Thread Russ Allbery
on the work is greatly appreciated. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: debhelper = 7.2.3, doc-base, and lintian

2009-03-11 Thread Russ Allbery
] Explicit install-docs calls are no longer needed since doc-base registration is done with triggers. (Closes: #518801) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Bug#466550: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-12 Thread Russ Allbery
. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Bug#466550: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-12 Thread Russ Allbery
browser or FTP client. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: best practice for updating inetd.conf with a user-chosen port?

2009-03-12 Thread Russ Allbery
, and inetd can already do all that for you. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Bug#466550: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-12 Thread Russ Allbery
package. It allows independent verification of the package in the archive (useful in some security scenarios), and it's very important for package sponsorship where one should not trust the orig.tar.gz provided by the sponsoree unless you already know the sponsoree well. -- Russ Allbery (r

Re: Bug#466550: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-12 Thread Russ Allbery
be better to use debian/changelog. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Bug#466550: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au writes: On 12-Mar-2009, Russ Allbery wrote: I never use uscan --download; I always download the new upstream source myself using wget or a web browser or FTP client. Why is that? Is there some downside to using ‘uscan --download’? I would have thought it best

Re: Bug#466550: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-15 Thread Russ Allbery
a bad idea, but some upstreams do it, and right now uscan doesn't handle that sort of case (and it's rather outside its current purpose). -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Bug#466550: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 18:15 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: However, I don't think this helps with the original problem on the thread where upstream uses only a VCS. I think that's a bad idea, but some upstreams do it, and right now uscan doesn't handle

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-03-16 Thread Russ Allbery
of the archive. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-03-16 Thread Russ Allbery
of a position to force the makefile inclusion. (There are ways in which it could, but they all seem very ugly to me.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Mass bugfiling in preparation for multiarch

2009-03-16 Thread Russ Allbery
are fair game regardless of whether or not we're trying to implement multiarch (with the normal caveats about mass bug filing). If the file does change with SONAME, that's a different matter, and that part depends more on our multiarch direction. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-03-18 Thread Russ Allbery
comes from, I don't agree that it's a deficiency. A missing feature is a deficiency. How critical a deficiency it is is a matter of opinion, and we apparently differ. And for what it's worth, I agree with Manoj here. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-03-18 Thread Russ Allbery
. At the time, I think it was more important to worry about finishing the lenny work. I'm very glad that you've re-raised the discussion, and I really appreciate you doing so. Hopefully we can find a solution that makes everyone happy for squeeze. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-03-18 Thread Russ Allbery
settings to force a particular set of build flags and you could do this with the same mechanism. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: debdelta, Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
. This should trigger the lintian tag md5sums-lists-nonexisting-file, but lintian.debian.org doesn't see any instances of that tag in the archives. I'd be very interested in example packages, since it sounds like the lintian test may be broken. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
to redistribute the Debian packages, Debian cannot do so. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
in our archive seems like entirely pointless makework that potentially causes problems for the security team down the road. This is why apt supports multiple package sources. Just point it at the vendor's repository. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quoting Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Another problem that would have to be resolved is security support over the lifetime of a Debian stable release. I can see creating a new Debian package if some Debian developer wants to put in the work to better integrate

Re: bugs in packages not frequently used

2007-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
find bugs themselves in other usage patterns. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-08-28 Thread Russ Allbery
tries all the environmental things that have broken packages in the past. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-08-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:22:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I don't have any time to work on this, but it occurred to me reading this that it might be useful for QA purposes to have a version of debuild that *unsanitizes* the environment to test

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-08-28 Thread Russ Allbery
of standard output, but instead was to change the default tape device with a tar that never had standard output as a default. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-08-28 Thread Russ Allbery
. Just use an explicit f argument to tar rather than relying on a dubious default that's changed over the years. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-30 Thread Russ Allbery
of software in the field. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-08-30 Thread Russ Allbery
without using the f option. Yes, there's a judgement call here and you can't take it to extremes, but I think there's a real, if sometimes hazy, difference between users intentionally overriding the default environment and users setting options that should be unrelated but aren't. -- Russ

Re: man-db's cron warns about dangling symlink

2007-09-03 Thread Russ Allbery
it's not been done before now. Patches welcome. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: debdelta, Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-09-04 Thread Russ Allbery
the packages has gotten soo big. Ah, there are overrides. That explains it. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Russ Allbery
of them write their own password cracking software. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-09-10 Thread Russ Allbery
the Erlang compiler support a command-line flag that suppresses that behavior? And if not, wouldn't that be useful to add? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-12 Thread Russ Allbery
strange without actually investigating. The more you investigate, the more you discover that, actually, the license is just screwed up and Debian is one of the few organizations that doesn't plug its ears and ignore it. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 09/12/07 09:16, Russ Allbery wrote: The IETF reserves the right to work on derivative standards based on RFCs to itself. You cannot do so outside the IETF without violating the RFC license. So you (or your company) must be a member of the IETF

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-12 Thread Russ Allbery
John Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We previously had a vote on whether the DFSG should extend to the entire contents of the archive or only to software, and the vote outcome was that it extended to the entire contents of the archive. Recently, or some

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-13 Thread Russ Allbery
, I expect a lot of DDs would consider them to be DFSG-free under the same clause that's used for TeX, as much as that clause isn't our favorite thing in the world. But you can't, so what's the point in discussing the hypothetical? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-13 Thread Russ Allbery
encourages all authors to not restrict any files, source or binary, from being modified.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-15 Thread Russ Allbery
, it is not free software, and it sounds like this is the situation with RFCs. Yup. The IETF process is certainly more open than most vendors, but they don't publish all submitted I-Ds and using RFC material requires that you work through the process so far as I can tell. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-09-15 Thread Russ Allbery
to me that the same argument applies to software. Of course 95% of free software is crap; that's true of 95% of *everything*. Reducing the amount of free software doesn't only reduce the crap. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: New 'maint' facet for Debtags

2007-09-17 Thread Russ Allbery
enter this information in debian/control and I can scan it using Mole) Isn't this what Priority: extra is for? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: pbuilder and configure

2007-09-19 Thread Russ Allbery
the upstream configure.ac file and see what it looks for. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: pbuilder and configure

2007-09-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Julien Cristau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There should be a way to tell it to use /usr/lib/sendmail, without having that installed. /usr/sbin/sendmail, please. I realize that we'll have to keep both essentially forever, but /usr/sbin is the correct FHS location. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL

Re: Building packages with exact binary matches

2007-09-24 Thread Russ Allbery
because there hasn't been a Policy upload in nearly a year. I have just enough time to feel guilty and not enough time at the moment to do anything concrete about it, which is a wonderful situation. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Building packages with exact binary matches

2007-09-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Clint Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 06:16:57PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Right now, it's also badly out of date in several respects and not in a position to lead any charge. Manoj and I have both been eaten by our respective day jobs, there are a ton of obvious

Re: dh_install vs. dh_movefiles

2007-10-08 Thread Russ Allbery
not mistaken Joey refuses the idea. I would think that would be a problem if for some reason you have source directory and the build directory on different partitions. Or if you're building in AFS, or somewhere else that doesn't allow cross-directory hard links. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: RFC 2?821 and CNAMEs

2007-10-09 Thread Russ Allbery
RFC 2821 is still only a Proposed Standard. IIRC, formally the obsolete only fully applies once RFC 2821 reaches the same level in the standards process. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: RFC 2?821 and CNAMEs

2007-10-09 Thread Russ Allbery
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: also sprach Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.10.09.2243 +0100]: Note, though, that STD-10 is a Standard whereas RFC 2821 is still only a Proposed Standard. IIRC, formally the obsolete only fully applies once RFC 2821 reaches the same level

Re: RFC 2?821 and CNAMEs

2007-10-10 Thread Russ Allbery
just by requiring an RFC-2821-compliant HELO. Sorry for the noise on d-devel. It's a little off-topic, but it's obscure enough stuff that affects enough people that I think it's nice to repeat it periodically. I end up answering a ton of questions like this in my day job. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL

Re: Compiling all packages with debug information?

2007-10-10 Thread Russ Allbery
consumed on the local system. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Compiling all packages with debug information?

2007-10-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Carlos San Esteban [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all, I think it's a great idea. Well, we have the src packages then we only needs other package '-dbg'. This one only need to change the options and install the libraries needed, It could make all

Re: Liferea dies with sqlite 3.5

2007-10-10 Thread Russ Allbery
MALLOC_CHECK_=2 then glibc calls abort on detecting this error. Using gdb to set a breakpoint on abort I get a most unhelpful backtrace: Have you tried running it under valgrind? It's usually way better at figuring out things like this. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-11 Thread Russ Allbery
unnecessary for reasons that the prospective packager didn't realize. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: libdb4.* madness in unstable

2007-10-16 Thread Russ Allbery
version for OpenLDAP, although 4.6 is looking promising. I don't have any good explanation for 4.3 through 4.5, though. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Long-term mass bug filing for crossbuild support

2007-11-06 Thread Russ Allbery
-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) ifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE),$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)) SYSTEM = --build $(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) else SYSTEM = --build $(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --host $(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) endif # ... ./configure $(SYSTEM) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: Long-term mass bug filing for crossbuild support

2007-11-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a bad suggestion and was apparently made without referring to the existing Debian instructions for how to handle packages that use Autoconf and friends. Your assumption is wrong, I'm afraid. For one reason

Re: dh_installinit

2007-11-07 Thread Russ Allbery
as well. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Long-term mass bug filing for crossbuild support

2007-11-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, then I'm even more mystified as to why you contradicted those instructions and told people not to pass --build to configure for non-cross-compile builds. So it is preferable for me to add --build to native

Re: dh_installinit

2007-11-07 Thread Russ Allbery
to the start of the init script will fix this problem. That's kind of a hack, but without modifying the daemon, I'm not aware of a better fix. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: dh_installinit

2007-11-09 Thread Russ Allbery
back on doing it. I find them a bit dubious myself; there are various hacks that, while hacks, come in very handy but are broken by daemons that do this. (Process-inherited Kerberos caches, for example.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle

Re: dh_installinit

2007-11-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Russ Allbery] Those file descriptor close loops are somewhat controversial. Not everyone agrees that they're a good idea, and some upstreams will push back on doing it. I find them a bit dubious myself; there are various hacks that, while

Re: crossbuild support: help2man considered harmful

2007-11-10 Thread Russ Allbery
. This is a classical problem in bootstrapping a language implemented in itself. Providing an automated way to make an arbitrary bootstrap in Debian would be useful. Good luck with gnat. :) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: RFC: cups as default printing system for lenny?

2007-11-10 Thread Russ Allbery
of a standard Unix installation, even for desktop users (and it definitely isn't for servers). -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFC: cups as default printing system for lenny?

2007-11-10 Thread Russ Allbery
(printing PostScript files to a network printer). However, I can certainly agree that it's a difficult choice for the average user for a locally attached printer due to the difficulty of configuration and handling of printer drivers. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: dh_installinit

2007-11-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:03:40 -0800, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Those file descriptor close loops are somewhat controversial. Not everyone agrees that they're a good idea, and some upstreams will push back on doing it. I find them a bit

Re: dh_installinit

2007-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
loops. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: dh_installinit

2007-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
when starting a daemon. I could be misunderstanding the problem, but if not, while this is a violation, I have a hard time figuring out what a process could do with the debconf handle. But that may just be lack of imagination on my part. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http

Re: dh_installinit

2007-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
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Re: Bug#450432: ... and even more bugs like this?

2007-11-12 Thread Russ Allbery
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Re: Bug#450432: ... and even more bugs like this?

2007-11-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Ivan Shmakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or with the period escaped. ... And this is the thing I haven't found how to do. Could you please show me that spell? \. Note: \ is a null token that can be put at the beginning of a line

Re: Bug#450432: ... and even more bugs like this?

2007-11-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Ivan Shmakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, lintian doesn't file bugs. Someone still has to go file the bugs, even if lintian is used to do the check. Lintian documentation reads: --cut: /usr/share/doc/lintian/lintian.html/ch1.html-- 3

Re: Bug#377392: Bug#450432: ... and even more bugs like this?

2007-11-17 Thread Russ Allbery
this for eons. I haven't looked at this particular usage, but there are places where this is exactly the desired markup. Maybe there's some missing logic for defining empty strings? -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: What to do when the LaTeX sources are missing, but an XML equivalent was rewritten from scratch ?

2007-11-19 Thread Russ Allbery
rights on the fonts still have those rights even if you have no explicit contract with Adobe when you downloaded the document. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: What to do when the LaTeX sources are missing, but an XML equivalent was rewritten from scratch ?

2007-11-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Russ Allbery wrote: In the absence of an explicit copyright license, Debian has generally taken the conservative position that just because something is available for download doesn't grant an implicit license, and hence doesn't

Re: What to do when the LaTeX sources are missing, but an XML equivalent was rewritten from scratch ?

2007-11-19 Thread Russ Allbery
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Re: Early adopters of symbol based dependencies needed

2007-11-20 Thread Russ Allbery
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Re: Early adopters of symbol based dependencies needed

2007-11-20 Thread Russ Allbery
libperl. (There was some reason for this that I don't recall off-hand.) Should these warnings just be ignored? Suppressed in some way? Should binary Perl modules link against libperl? I haven't worked through the implications in my head yet. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Early adopters of symbol based dependencies needed

2007-11-20 Thread Russ Allbery
to work on it at the moment. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Early adopters of symbol based dependencies needed

2007-11-21 Thread Russ Allbery
}{DYNAMIC $self-{flags}{DYNAMIC} will be parsed as exists ($self-{flags}{DYNAMIC $self-{flags}{DYNAMIC}) It's often good style to always use parens with the argument to defined or exists because they're most often the functions that get bitten by this. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#452316: Packages with empty directories

2007-11-21 Thread Russ Allbery
yourself in debian/rules after running make install. It's one of the standard things that we do for Perl packages. It would be nice to fix ExtUtils::MakeMaker to not create it in the first place, but so far as I know, no one has written a patch. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED

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