am I
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>
Supporting DDs in Russia would definitely demonstrate a commitment to
geographic diversity.
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I think that you and I are actually in agreement.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 06:06:34PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:28:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 07:11:11PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> > > >
On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:35:18PM -0400, Paul R. Tagliamonte wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 2:29 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > The reasons why the FTP masters might reject a package from the archive
> > are public [0]. Nowhere on the list is there an entry that says
> &
t the existence of the
Code of Conduct would eventually lead to its abuse and weaponization
may have in fact been well founded.
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individuals and groups, supported those who have engaged in such
activities, or been otherwise complicit in such.
So, let's at least be consistent.
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use the right tools. I would
recommend that you look at the dget and dpkg-source utilities for
fetching and unpacking Debian source packages.
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Are you certain that you have a matching upstream version?
How did you obtain the source package? How are you unpacking it? What
exact commands did you use?
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 05:48:56PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 08:45:24AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >
> > Filing the ITP then immediately uploading seems really sensible,
> More sensible than not filing it?
> This defeats both purpos
ajority of
ITPs actually never elecit any sort of response from anyone), seems
rather pointless.
Filing the ITP then immediately uploading seems really sensible,
especially since in the event of a mistake it is trivial to email
ftp-master requesting a REJECT, which IME is usually something they do
right away.
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 11:14:43AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> edw...@4angle.com wrote:
>
> >Package: wnpp
> >Severity: wishlist
> >Owner: Edward Betts
> >X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org
> >
> >* Package name: gender-guesser
> > Version
uite like it better from a
visual perspective), and issue a deprecation warning for the old format
(e.g., when -I is specified).
Then perhaps after the next stable release drop the old format.
>
> Thanks a lot for maintaining lintian in any case
>
+1
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On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:43:48PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On 13.11.21 22:40, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:32:23PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > >
> > > - Existing systems will continue to have rsyslog installed (but they can
>
low bringing legacy log data
*into* the systemd journal[*] to allow for accessing log data through a
single interface/mechanism after making the transition?
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> security which doesn't really depend at all on transport layer
> encryption.
In this context, it might make sense to describe using HTTPS as the
transport for APT operations is providing "default confidentiality".
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> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 07:31:08AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > For non actively maintained packages on could check them into Git
> > > oneself and then start a history from there, a
ood results with snapshot.debian.org. On a few occasions,
simply downloading each successive version from snapshot.debian.org and
then using something like 'gbp import-dscs *.dsc' gives more than
sufficient version history. Granted, that has limitations, but it is
available right now.
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es all sorts of software engineering principles.
>
> Anybody know if there's a good solution to this problem?
>
A slightly less bad approach might be:
Build-Depends: julia [! ! ...], clang [! ! ...]
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where active development
takes place or does development take place elsewhere and 'master' is the
branch from which releases are made?" A branch called "devel" would
unquestionably be where active development is taking place.
Other branch names could then be chosen based on the needs of the
project, like "test", "stage", & "prod", or "rc" & "release", or
whatever.
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minimize them would
go a long way to reducing the likelihood of flame responses to rejection
mails.
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On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 02:41:59PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 08:33:25AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 02:16:27PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > I am maintainer for mg, curr
there will be a mini-DebConf in Montreal" and so-on and so
forth?
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the above are the major steps.
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(i.e., a CLA), but in practice it is likely to irk potential
contributors.
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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 02:41:26AM +, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:06 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > I've read the distro-tracker documentation and it seems like interaction
> > is by visiting with a web browser or via email. Is there an official or
&
I've read the distro-tracker documentation and it seems like interaction
is by visiting with a web browser or via email. Is there an official or
even unofficial API for access to data in distro-tracker?
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On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 02:09:46PM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> [stuff]
I just saw Sam's message after I sent my own. I agree that this
discussion has gone past the point where it is useful. Apologies for
the noise.
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> good for so many more?
>
Ibid.
> Let's be positive about this and find a way to be more inclusive of
> the greater Debian population; it should be a win for everyone.
>
There are countless ways for anyone, DD or not, to influence the
direction of the Debian project. So, perhaps all that is needed is to
begin taking advantage of those ways, rather than complaining about the
one way that, for very good reason, is reserved only for DDs.
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e FTP
master review and a signed source changes to enter the archive if the
package is approved?
When I build packages I always end up with both changes files, so
requiring both for NEW processing would be a triviality (for me, at
least) and eliminate this peculiarity as well.
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it became the basis of a new section in the
installation manual (perhaps under section 8, Next Steps and Where to Go
>From Here). It may also be a good addition/improvement to the Securing
Debian Manual.
In any event, I am just offering some thoughts; perhaps they might be of
some use.
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On Sat, Nov 09, 2019 at 06:23:04PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 09, 2019 at 12:29:11PM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 02:27:19PM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
> > > Maybe apt could deprecate /etc/apt/trusted* and apt-
ing /etc/apt/
> trusted.d possible, but now that we have "Signed-By:" it is the inferior
> solution and thus not needed anymore.
>
What is the earliest version of apt that supports Signed-By in
sources.list? I scanned the changelog but it was not immediately clear.
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le to do, it probably warrants a different filter than "adds a
new binary package to the archive" in order to be effective.
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On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 12:57:56PM +, Mo Zhou wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 08:36:45AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 11:02:35AM +, Mo Zhou wrote:
> > In such a large community of volunteers it may not be enough to propose
> > s
On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 12:29:56PM +, Mo Zhou wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 08:18:53AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 06:49:10AM +, Mo Zhou wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As you wish, I added a dis
f you address the
principal obstacles to adoption in a holistic way. (As I already
pointed out, your current approach misses a great deal.)
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le over substance". Why on earth is copying and pasting from
webpages *so* important that the entire packaging format has to be
reworked?
If somebody is challenged by the obstacle of 'apt-get source ...' or
'debcheckout ...' then perhaps making the packaging into a single file
so that it can be copy/pasted from a webpage might not be solving the
correct problem.
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might be impractical or confusing, then perhaps "dotdeb" or
"dot-deb" might be more workable.
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tform.
>
Then I think that Ben Finney's observation is completely correct.
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approaches get the package into Debian, available to users of
unstable and/or experimental, as appropriate, and without risk of the
package getting "baked in" to a Debian release for the long term.
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on the main Debian website for candidates.
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glad to work together on a common belief, spontaneously. I as the
> initiator of the idea would definitely take action if I got enough
> positive feedbacks.
>
I recommend that you start implementing something then request feedback.
Otherwise the whole exercise is just academic.
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elease of Buster have either a well-supported keepassx or a
smooth transition to a suitable alternative. If for some reason a
direct transition with symlinks and all is not possible, then at least a
mention in the release notes (perhaps with instructions on how to
manually migrate before and/or after
team knows so it makes it into
the next Debian Project News issue.
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you know of? I have been searching for
> something like that but I didn't find anything useful.
>
Use 'gbp import-dscs' with the --debsnap option.
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Debian involvement, and
> that means anyone can do the same trick to pretend to own my Debian address.
>
That is just how email works. With the help of a cooperating mail
server (which is trivial to setup) anybody in the world can send mail
with any from address that they wish. This problem is
will not happen until that has been fully sorted out.
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pload, mailing list post (I think, if signed with the
developer's key), etc. The once a year ping then need not be universal
and instead only for those who have become dormant based on lack of
visible indicators of participation.
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reasonable person would
consider either of those things valid.
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 03:43:41PM +, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
> I disagree when it comes to the debian namespace, and the documentation
> agrees with me[1].
>
Interesting. I was not aware of that. Thanks for sharing.
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know what to expect in future...]
>
That seems completely reasonable. Making the repository accessible to
others is a courtesy that should not be abused. Pushing directly to the
master branch of a package for which one is not an active maintainer or
contributor is at a minimum impolite.
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buted/signed with a
> key we trust.
>
I have encountered this same situation and have resorted to backporting
packages from testing/unstable myself :-/
>
> Will there be a proper solution for that soon?
>
I hope that there will be.
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n=4
> opts="mode=git,pgpmode=gittag" \
> https://github.com/rs/net-server-mail refs/tags/v([\d\.]+) debian
>
Wow! That is very nice. Thanks for the hard work.
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y please?
>
https://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers#US
There are three Debian Developers listed as offering to sign keys in San
Francisco. That should get you started.
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identified, even if it has never manifested itself in
the real world. If you doubt that, please review the recent news
surrounding the SPECTRE and MELTDOWN vulnerabilities.
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he spirit in which it was intended: to help you
produce a better free software tool and to improve as a developer.
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ny, should be made buggy by this change.
>
>Where can i read debian's FHS 3.0?
>I can only see 2.3 on [1]https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/
It is kind of a pain to locate. Here is the link:
https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs-3.0.pdf
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the purposes of the maintainer/uploader fields in the
control file. However, there is a high likelihood that enough of them
are different enough to be problematic from the perspective of a
heterogeneous tooling infrastructure.
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C. Powell, IV" <hazel...@debian.org>
#547460 (and its blockers #401452 and #509935) might interesting to read
if you have not already.
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and then subsequently deleted lots of messages that by
any objective measure would have served to only worsen a situation. When
I have failed to follow my own advice, I have without fail only made the
situations in question worse.
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ponsible for validating the
relationships between packages).
There are plenty of available tools to identify system cruft, including
packages that are no longer receiving security support and packages
which do not exist in the current suite/release for which the system is
configured.
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t; No, this is no reason to introduce such sequence points. You don't even
> know that the MTA runs on the same system.
>
Unless it is designed to only interact with an MTA running on the same
system.
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ds in the English language.
If we are going to start applying this sort of logic to naming, then
there are plenty of other places (e.g., where actual vulgarities are
used in package names, where abreviations and/or acronyms create words
that are or can be perceived as offensive, etc.).
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lems. That
said, the problems are not really any different than the problems
introduced by installing components with cpan or pip and then forgetting
about them.
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already does "security by upstream releases" for Firefox,
> and this clearly shows why this is problematic:
Also PostgreSQL, formerly MySQL, OpenJDK, etc. Some go smoothly (I think
PostgreSQL upstream is very good here), and some do not.
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uite frustrated by it. In the university
class I teach, dependency management in our project is something that is
quite important. Though, at that stage of life, the students usually
lack the experience to appreciate why it is important.
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and would definitely get involved, time permitting.
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to trigger the
use of -J in place of -j. At least, that is the case on stretch. Is
there an easy way (preferrably via environment variables) to achieve
that?
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"disturbed" to itself be somewhat
disturbing. You cannot possibly know what grounds someone might have
for not wanting systemd, and to automatically and universally
characterize that as "disturbed" implies a value judgment that runs
counter both to the freeness and universailt
On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 05:31:09PM +0100, Alf Gaida wrote:
> >
> Ian, thats dead easy - put the needed packages onto the iso and be done
> with. The installer should have an option to opt-in contrib and/or
> non-free. Done. Ok, that was the technical part.
Which has the potential to make the
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:31:15AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
That said, I am curious if there would be any opposition to an upload of
cyrus-sasl2 2.1.26 into unstable. Aside from opposition, are there any
other comments
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 03:50:13PM +0100, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ReleaseTeam/Transitions
Thanks. I have filed a transition bug as required.
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comments that anyone would like to offer in regard to this?
For the time being, I plan to continue my work on the 2.1.25 version
that is currently in unstable (merging into the experimental version as
appropriate).
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. top and friends do not show a cpu hog
a reboot will bring the system back to normal behaviour.
Could this be something to do with connection tracking?
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On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 07:02:35PM -0430, Luis Alejandro Martínez Faneyth wrote:
On 17/12/11 18:24, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
What you have done is reinvent the wheel, and badly at that.
I coudn't find any other user friendly interface to manage user accounts
from an LDAP.
I should
.
Another thing to note is that while the NMU was uploaded to DELAYED/2,
the upload was actually ACCEPTed about 24 hours after the upload.
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gave, you can defend against attacks that depend on file
name collisions. By quickly unlinking, the file will no longer appear
in directory listings, making exploits of the data written to the file
more challenging (not impossible, just more challenging).
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that the dput package in Debian be updated to point to
the new location? It would be quite annoying, IMHO, to have it pointing
at the wrong place for the life of Squeeze.
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is something that Debian wants to do. It is not as simple as just
patching a high profile package like postfix.
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On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 07:35:02PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez robe...@connexer.com writes:
Greetings. I am curious as to how the scenario described in the below
message would work in Debian. That is, can one package install two init
scripts?
Sure. A package can
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applications respecting TMP/TMPDIR. I have run across
several applications in Debian at various times that do not really
support TMP and TMPDIR to the degree that one would expect.
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that mean that I am permitted to override the lintian error?
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:43:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
Does that mean that I am permitted to override the lintian error?
Please disregard. It turns out that the proposed fix causes a FTBFS on
amd64, which is not acceptable. Overriding the lintian error will
clearly not help
be to experimental...
This I do not know about.
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for this package.
Any advice/insights on this would be appreciated.
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Is there some magic I can put into a prerm/postrm script that will
handle that?
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On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 05:12:44PM +0200, Alexis Sukrieh wrote:
electricsheep[1] deserves a prioritary adoption: a major upstream
version has been released and Debian's is now deprecated.
I'd like to adopt electricsheep.
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am preparing a new upstream release right now
for upload, so this would be a good time to make the change if people
think it is necessary/desirable.
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which package should I file a bug to have all unix
user/group permissions ignored?
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On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:25:05PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 à 06:00 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
If Debian should not be a tool to support software restrictions like
this, then against which package should I file a bug to have all unix
user/group
of the file.
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On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 06:30:19PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
[My apologies in advance for the cross-posting.]
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:42:36AM +0100, Daniel Wallin wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
So, I've been trying to build the Debian package with the latest from
the 0.8
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:18:59PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
* Roberto C. Sánchez [Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:30:19 -0400]:
I am curious as to what people generally think of how the libluabind
SONAME will be going forward. I know that certain packages (like
libssl) have the complete version
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:39:37PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
* Roberto C. Sánchez [Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:34:20 -0400]:
It’s certainly not desirable. Do you have an estimation of how many
reverse dependencies libluabind will have? Goswin’s remark about API
compatibility is also
., there is no NAT in IPv6 and IPsec is part
of the spec instead of requiring encapsulation).
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that there is no ITP
and that's it.
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http://www.connexer.com
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