Re: Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-22 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
This applies to any program which downloads ads from the network at runtime. Serious problems with this: * We don't know what ads might be displayed and whether we would think them inappropriate, offensive, legally risky, or whatever. * Downloading ads at runtime is a security risk: it

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-21 Thread Fernando Toledo
El 20/6/19 a las 11:14, Jason Crain escribió: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 07:54:38PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: >> Such ads is displayed only when users have Internet connection, and there is >> no way to patch ZZZ in order to remove ads (or we have to buy "pro" version >> which doesn't contain ads

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Bagas Sanjaya, le jeu. 20 juin 2019 20:16:08 +0700, a ecrit: > > On 20/06/19 20.11, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > > > Quoting Bagas Sanjaya : > > > > Such ads is displayed only when users have Internet connection, and > > > > there is no way to patch ZZZ

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Chris Lamb
Jason Crain wrote: > > Such ads is displayed only when users have Internet connection, and there is > > no way to patch ZZZ in order to remove ads (or we have to buy "pro" version > > which doesn't contain ads and adds more features). > > If it's free software, meaning it is freely modifiable

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Jason Crain
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 07:54:38PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > Such ads is displayed only when users have Internet connection, and there is > no way to patch ZZZ in order to remove ads (or we have to buy "pro" version > which doesn't contain ads and adds more features). If it's free software,

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Yao Wei (魏銘廷)
Hi, > Bagas Sanjaya 於 2019年6月20日 20:54 寫道: > > Such ads is displayed only when users have Internet connection, and there is > no way to patch ZZZ in order to remove ads (or we have to buy "pro" version > which doesn't contain ads and adds more features). As a DFSG-free software it should be

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Bagas Sanjaya, le jeu. 20 juin 2019 20:16:08 +0700, a ecrit: > > On 20/06/19 20.11, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > > Quoting Bagas Sanjaya : > > > Such ads is displayed only when users have Internet connection, and > > > there is no way to patch ZZZ in order to remove ads (or we have to > > > buy

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 20/06/19 20.11, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Quoting Bagas Sanjaya : Such ads is displayed only when users have Internet connection, and there is no way to patch ZZZ in order to remove ads (or we have to buy "pro" version which doesn't contain ads and adds more features). So it's not free

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 20/06/19 15.49, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Quoting Bagas Sanjaya : Suppose that an upstream has released a program which its license conforms to DFSG (named ZZZ), but when I test it, ads placed by the upstream appear (such as pop up ads). Since ads can affect user experience of ZZZ, but at

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting Bagas Sanjaya : Such ads is displayed only when users have Internet connection, and there is no way to patch ZZZ in order to remove ads (or we have to buy "pro" version which doesn't contain ads and adds more features). So it's not free software anyway and does not belong to Debian

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?"): > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 13:15:26 +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > > Suppose that an upstream has released a program which its license conforms > > to DFSG (named ZZZ), but w

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting Jonathan Carter : It seems clear-cut enough that it doesn't really need advice from debian-legal. If it's free software then a maintainer is free to patch out any behaviour of the app that's intrusive or otherwise undesirable. If the license of the software doesn't allow that, then it's

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/06/20 10:49, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > Otherwise, I would leave it to the package maintainer, > whether they like to disable the ad or not, > but that's more a question for debian-le...@lists.debian.org. It seems clear-cut enough that it doesn't really need advice from debian-legal. If

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 13:15:26 +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > Suppose that an upstream has released a program which its license conforms > to DFSG (named ZZZ), but when I test it, ads placed by the upstream appear > (such as pop up ads). Since ads can affect user experience of ZZZ, but at > the

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting Bagas Sanjaya : Suppose that an upstream has released a program which its license conforms to DFSG (named ZZZ), but when I test it, ads placed by the upstream appear (such as pop up ads). Since ads can affect user experience of ZZZ, but at the same time the upstream get paid by ad

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Russell Stuart
On Thu, 2019-06-20 at 13:15 +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > Suppose that an upstream has released a program which its license  > conforms to DFSG (named ZZZ), but when I test it, ads placed by the  > upstream appear (such as pop up ads). Since ads can affect user  > experience of ZZZ, but at the

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello, Bagas On 20/06/2019 10:15, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > Hello Debian Developers, > > Suppose that an upstream has released a program which its license conforms to > DFSG (named ZZZ), but when I test it, ads placed by the upstream appear (such > as pop up ads). Since ads can affect user

Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello Debian Developers, Suppose that an upstream has released a program which its license conforms to DFSG (named ZZZ), but when I test it, ads placed by the upstream appear (such as pop up ads). Since ads can affect user experience of ZZZ, but at the same time the upstream get paid by ad