Re: Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 09:43:48PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: ... A distribution (any, most) is the gel that binds and gives an unified and coherent shape to the software ecosystem. +1 (to everything even the cutted part) An app store is just like a scrapyard, you might find magnificent

Re: Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-25 Thread Clint Byrum
On 2013-04-24 12:43, Guillem Jover wrote: Hi! On Sat, 2013-04-20 at 11:05:29 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: [...]. IMO this is why upstream packaging should be embraced and enhanced rather than focusing on dpkg. I'm not sure if you refer to the tool here, or to the packaging work, doesn't change

Re: Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:50:58AM -0700, Clint Byrum a écrit : My suggestion is not to stop packaging, but to shift focus from make an awesome package to make an awesome upstream that results in an automatically generated awesome package. Debhelper and many of the other tools definitely

Re: Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Andreas Tille (2013-04-25 09:20:59) On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 09:43:48PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: ... A distribution (any, most) is the gel that binds and gives an unified and coherent shape to the software ecosystem. +1 (to everything even the cutted part) An app store is

Re: Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 25-04-13 10:50, Clint Byrum wrote: On 2013-04-24 12:43, Guillem Jover wrote: All of the things you mention are huge accomplishments, but the scope is what I am suggesting has gotten out of hand. Do we really need a high level view and QA of the entire system for MongoDB? We don't need it

Re: Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-25 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:00:11PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Andreas Tille (2013-04-25 09:20:59) I honestly wonder if there is some more general definition for the term app store besides what according to[1] certain companies have made out of it. Following the logic

Re: Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 02:40:38PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: understandable to him: What is an operating system. (Hey, also Windows is no operating system - it is just a kick-starter for Windows, Excel, a browser and a mail client, right?) s/for Windows, Excel/for Word, Excel/ Kind

Re: Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-25 Thread Ben Armstrong
On 04/25/2013 09:40 AM, Andreas Tille wrote: There are actually users who do not see the system but just the topping. Yes, but I don't think we should encourage any users in this skewed view of the system. I would never try to blame the user about this. Nor would I. However, I would not use

Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-24 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Sat, 2013-04-20 at 11:05:29 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: [...]. IMO this is why upstream packaging should be embraced and enhanced rather than focusing on dpkg. I'm not sure if you refer to the tool here, or to the packaging work, doesn't change much anyway. I once worked on the 'pkgme'