Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Simon McVittie smcv at debian.org writes: If we standardize on _* (or capital letters or whatever) for packaged Users with capital letters sometimes cannot receive eMail correctly. (Using _ in my packages since I think the BSDs’ approach sensible.) accounts, then adduser --system could also

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Peter Palfrader contributed: I would really like to standardize on some prefix. I like _ as a prefix because adduser doesn't allow the local sysadmin to create accounts with that prefix without special flags, which I think makes it a more useful reserved

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On 10/02/14 13:46, Kevin Chadwick wrote: So I'd agree with the underscore but see the not allowing the local sysadmin to create accounts easily with it as a bad thing as they could perfectly well want to avoid collisions with packages as much as a debian dev. A concrete example, please? If

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Simon McVittie contributed: So I'd agree with the underscore but see the not allowing the local sysadmin to create accounts easily with it as a bad thing as they could perfectly well want to avoid collisions with packages as much as a debian dev. A concrete

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 7 février 2014 10:52 CET, Paul Wise p...@debian.org : Choose a name which is less likely to conflict, e.g. exim uses Debian-exim. I think consensus was converging on prefixing an underscore for system users (_foo) last time we discussed this. There was no consensus if I remember

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org writes: There was no consensus if I remember correctly. And many of the expressed voices preferred the `Debian-` prefix. As far as I am concerned, I don't understand why we can't follow systems that have solved this problem since years by adopting the

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-02-08 22:11:04) The one piece that we do need if we're going to standardize, on top of an agreement that standardization is useful, is an adduser --rename command. There are a bunch of packages in the archive right now that stomp on the normal account namespace

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes: Seems you are essentially talking about this; usermod -l $NEWNAME $OLDNAME What would such --rename option to adduser script contain, beyond that? Ah, I was looking in the wrong place. Thanks! I would like something to check that the account is a

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-08 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: I would really like to standardize on some prefix. I like _ as a prefix because adduser doesn't allow the local sysadmin to create accounts with that prefix without special flags, which I think makes it a more useful reserved namespace. Just a me

conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-07 Thread PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel
Hello, I am the maintainer of the tango package which contain the tango-db binary. This tango-db provide a service called tango-db which connect to a mysql database. I follow the debian-policy to create a dedicated system user for this services. So I used the tango user which is the name of the

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Neil Williams wrote: Choose a name which is less likely to conflict, e.g. exim uses Debian-exim. I think consensus was converging on prefixing an underscore for system users (_foo) last time we discussed this. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise --

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-07 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:57:32 + PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel frederic-emmanuel.pi...@synchrotron-soleil.fr wrote: Hello, I am the maintainer of the tango package which contain the tango-db binary. This tango-db provide a service called tango-db which connect to a mysql database. I follow

re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-07 Thread peter green
What is the correct way to deal with this kind of problem ? I cannot find in the policy something about conflict between system and non-system user. I don't think there is much that can reall be done to fix the fundamental problem which is that system users and regular users have to live

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-07 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Paul Wise p...@debian.org, 2014-02-07, 17:52: Choose a name which is less likely to conflict, e.g. exim uses Debian-exim. I think consensus was converging on prefixing an underscore for system users (_foo) last time we discussed this. Well, #248809 is still open… -- Jakub Wilk -- To

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-07 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:15:18 + PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel frederic-emmanuel.pi...@synchrotron-soleil.fr wrote: I don't think there is much that can reall be done to fix the fundamental problem which is that system users and regular users have to live in the same namespace causing a risk of

Re: conflict between system user and normal user

2014-02-07 Thread Andreas Beckmann
On 2014-02-07 09:57, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: during the installation I generate a .my.cnf in the system user tango home which I set under /usr/lib/tango in the package That should be under /var, not /usr, especially if you dynamically generate stuff there. And if that is a