Re: is Wayland mature enough to be the default desktop choice in Buster?

2019-04-21 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 23:17:15 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > But there's also the technical matter of "GNOME and/or Wayland don't work > at all on machine XYZ". This _is_ relevant. Whether GNOME works on machine XYZ (at all) is relevant when deciding whether the default desktop environment

Re: is Wayland mature enough to be the default desktop choice in Buster?

2019-04-21 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 at 17:59:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > * an amd64 desktop: > * nouveau: way too crashy to be considered "working". Please report this as a bug in the nouveau driver stack (sorry, I'm not sure whether the kernel or Mesa is the right place). If GNOME-on-Xorg doesn't work

Re: is Wayland mature enough to be the default desktop choice in Buster?

2019-04-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 09:06:22PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > I would like to request that people who dislike GNOME, and would not > use it regardless of what we do in its downstream maintenance, should > not reiterate that opinion in the discussion of that bug (or in this > thread, for that

Re: is Wayland mature enough to be the default desktop choice in Buster?

2019-04-20 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 08 Apr 2019 at 14:26:04 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Would the GNOME team kindly share with this thread the criteria that you folks > use to make your decision as to whether to default to Wayland in Debian? I didn't make that decision, so I can't cite any specific criteria. Note that

Re: is Wayland mature enough to be the default desktop choice in Buster?

2019-04-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Dear Simon On Sat, Apr 06, 2019 at 10:20:26PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: It's perhaps important to point out before this thread gets much further that Wayland is not like Xorg Apologies for not being clearer in my original message. Thank you for clearing that up. GNOME in buster has

Re: is Wayland mature enough to be the default desktop choice in Buster?

2019-04-06 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 at 20:47:51 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Fri, 2019-04-05 at 16:12:22 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > I was surprised to learn — by way of synaptic being autoremoved — that > > the default desktop in Buster will be GNOME/Wayland. It's perhaps important to point out