Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 07:54:26AM +0200, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: Well, doesn't the GPL say something on it being illegal to impose additional restrictions on distribution? If the restriction is agreed upon by all copyright holders, then the issue is murky; as far as I

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-22 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, doesn't the GPL say something on it being illegal to impose additional restrictions on distribution? If the restriction is agreed upon by all copyright holders, then the issue is murky; as far as I know, there's no consensus on this issue on

Re: Proposed statement wrt GNU FDL

2003-04-22 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Anthony Towns wrote: The Solution There are a number of things that can be done to avoid this problem. One which isn't mentioned there is to amend the DFSG to allow the FDL and similar licences. Before someone schedules a MOAB test over my home, note that

Re: DPL election platforms [was: Proposed statement wrt GNU FDL]

2003-04-22 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: (As an aside, I do wonder why we bother with platforms and rebuttals at all in our DPL election process -- I suspect people make up their minds about how they'll vote without such documents exerting much in the way of influence at all.) I'll say

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:40:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 25 lines which said: * Why you shouldn't use the GFDL:: Debian doesn't recommend using this license. Can you actually write this section and post it here? Because I have a practical problem:

monit: GPL and OpenSSL..

2003-04-22 Thread Fredrik Steen
Hi, One of the packages I maintain is monit[0], they now have a long awaited feature using SSL. I have read that GPL and OpenSSL is not compatible and have been mailing with the developers of monit. They asked if was okay for Debian to add add this to the license: This program is released

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:40:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 25 lines which said: * Why you shouldn't use the GFDL:: Debian doesn't recommend using this license. Can you actually write this section and

Re: Roundup license changes

2003-04-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Bastian Kleineidam [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the first roundup[1] upload was rejected, Richard Jones (the upstream author) made the license a bit more clear. Here is the new scoop. It looks quite harmless on first read, but it would be easier to be sure if you could provide us with a

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread iain d broadfoot
* Brian T. Sniffen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The MIT/X11 license and the GPL would both work, depending on whether you want a copyleft. The MIT license can probably be used just by itself. To use the GPL, though, you should probably put in a section which explains how your document can be

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
iain d broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Brian T. Sniffen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The MIT/X11 license and the GPL would both work, depending on whether you want a copyleft. The MIT license can probably be used just by itself. To use the GPL, though, you should probably put in a

Re: monit: GPL and OpenSSL..

2003-04-22 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:46:18PM +0200, Fredrik Steen wrote: Hi, One of the packages I maintain is monit[0], they now have a long awaited feature using SSL. I have read that GPL and OpenSSL is not compatible and have You are correct. OpenSSL has an advertising clause which is incompatible

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread iain d broadfoot
* Brian T. Sniffen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: iain d broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Brian T. Sniffen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The MIT/X11 license and the GPL would both work, depending on whether you want a copyleft. The MIT license can probably be used just by itself. To use

Re: motion to take action on the unhappy GNU FDL issue

2003-04-22 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 01:27:05PM -0700, Mark Rafn wrote: On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: I am seeking seconds for this proposal. I think this proposal is the right thing to do, especially the hard work of creating the documents before filing bugs. Unfortunately, I am

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
iain d broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and possibly avoid referring directly to MSWord as well - a reference to 'binary, closed file formats' would probably do the same job. Yes, that might be better. I'd avoid the words closed and binary, as MS is already trying to redefine both.

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
A Microsoft Word document is probably source code rather than object code: people do edit Microsoft Word documents, and people don't usually do automatic translations into Microsoft Word format (though they do sometimes, for example when exporting from another word processor). Anyway, I don't

Re: Proposed statement wrt GNU FDL

2003-04-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 06:59:45PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: One which isn't mentioned there is to amend the DFSG to allow the FDL and similar licences. Before someone schedules a MOAB test over my home, note that I am not advocating this course, merely that it should be mentioned and

Re: monit: GPL and OpenSSL..

2003-04-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:46:18PM +0200, Fredrik Steen wrote: One of the packages I maintain is monit[0], they now have a long awaited feature using SSL. I have read that GPL and OpenSSL is not compatible and have been mailing with the developers of monit. They asked if was okay for Debian to

riders and extra restrictions on the GPL, and internal consistency

2003-04-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 09:41:34AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, doesn't the GPL say something on it being illegal to impose additional restrictions on distribution? If the restriction is agreed upon by all copyright holders, then the

Re: monit: GPL and OpenSSL..

2003-04-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 03:23:44PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: been mailing with the developers of monit. They asked if was okay for Debian to add add this to the license: This program is released under the GPL with the additional exemption that compiling, linking, and/or using

Re: Roundup license changes

2003-04-22 Thread Bastian Kleineidam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 03:13:19PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: It looks quite harmless on first read, but it would be easier to be sure if you could provide us with a link to the reasons why the first upload was rejected. The WNPP bug report you

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
iain d broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: plain text would simply mean that i can type `vim something`, and have the text appear in front of me. presumably, those strange foreign chaps already have their systems set up to handle those strange foreign chars. But *I* don't. So it's not a

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Mark Rafn
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, iain d broadfoot wrote: but that allows MSWord docs, since i can edit them with Abiword, OOo etc... maybe request a plain text version alongside any other formats? or must be editable with free software and must be saved in a Free format? I'm not sure where this

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread iain d broadfoot
* Mark Rafn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, iain d broadfoot wrote: but that allows MSWord docs, since i can edit them with Abiword, OOo etc... maybe request a plain text version alongside any other formats? or must be editable with free software and must be saved

Re: monit: GPL and OpenSSL..

2003-04-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 12:42:16PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: The above doesn't actually add anything to the rights already granted by the GPL. The specific permission that's missing is *redistribution* of binaries linked against OpenSSL, so that's what their exemption needs to say. Ah,