Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Alexander Cherepanov wrote: Sorry for the intrusion, but is there a consensus on this issue? I.e. why binaries can not be distributed under section 2 of the GPL? When binaries are not the prefered form for modification, as in the case where there is still source code

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:01:39 -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I'm confused -- and don't read Japanese. But let me get one thing straight: what Hitachi distributed were strictly bitmap fonts, right? No metafont, truetype, or postscript font outlines,

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:58:09 -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:01:39 -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I'm confused -- and don't read Japanese. But let me get one thing straight: what Hitachi distributed were strictly bitmap

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-25 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 15:51, Joachim Breitner wrote: Compare to this: You give a text to a newspaper with this licence: * you may read it * you may print it Then there is no way I can stop them from printing, after we both accepted these conditions. Sure, but if they gave you the license

simplest copyleft license for a wiki

2003-11-25 Thread Alex Schroeder
emacswiki.org uses the FDL at the moment; I'd like to move away from the FDL to a very simple license I can understand in two minutes, and I want to allow people to upgrade to the FDL, the GPL, the Creative Commons ShareAlike (CC SA) license, the XEmacs manual license, or any other copyleft

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 09:34:01AM +0100, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: I'd sure like to know what Eben Moglen thinks about this issue. He submitted comments on behalf of the FSF on November 14. See: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]msgId=1127301

Re: simplest copyleft license for a wiki

2003-11-25 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 02:38:20PM +0100, Alex Schroeder wrote: I'm looking for some advice concerning the wording of the following license. The goal is to keep this license as short as possible while still making it a copyleft license upgradable to any of the other licenses. 1. You

Re: simplest copyleft license for a wiki

2003-11-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Alex Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: emacswiki.org uses the FDL at the moment; I'd like to move away from the FDL to a very simple license I can understand in two minutes, and I want to allow people to upgrade to the FDL, the GPL, the Creative Commons ShareAlike (CC SA) license, the

Re: simplest copyleft license for a wiki

2003-11-25 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 02:38:20PM +0100, Alex Schroeder wrote: 4. When you distribute the work, you must provide the recipients access to the preferred form for making copies and modifications, for no more than your costs of doing so. It is worth noting that this clause is

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 16:36, Osamu Aoki wrote: HITACHI font is bitmap fonts. Since it is 32 dots fonts which can hold some aestetic feature of characters, it has uniq shape as a set of characters. If starts recognizing copyright on bitmap fonts, then we'll have to start removing a fair

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:35:10 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: [1 text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)] On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 09:52:01AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: At Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:40 +0100, Osamu Aoki wrote: One of

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: In the United States, fonts can't be copyrighted. Only font programs (e.g., the PostScript code used to produce the glyph) can be. So there can be no copyright on bitmap fonts, and using a bitmap font, a printout, or even tracing over an image on

Binaries under GPL(2) (was: Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source)

2003-11-25 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
24-Nov-03 22:02 Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Alexander Cherepanov wrote: Sorry for the intrusion, but is there a consensus on this issue? I.e. why binaries can not be distributed under section 2 of the GPL? When binaries are not the prefered form for modification, as in the case

Re: simplest copyleft license for a wiki

2003-11-25 Thread Alex Schroeder
Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You should spell these licenses out in full, such as the GNU General Public License, as published by the Free Software Foundation. You should include the as published by clause so that nobody unscrupulous decides to publish a GPL that is really a

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-25 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Nov 25, 2003, at 09:29, Joachim Breitner wrote: Company B produces some kind of Sweets. Because the packaging is not very large, they put a note on it for a descriptions of the ingredients, mail us this way and we will send them to you. Then they sell or give away (doesn't matter) some

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 09:09, Andrew Suffield wrote: Original author (Hitachi, who were infringed), and kochi upstream author (who infringed without knowing) already discussed and their conclusion was that it was not just bogus. Erm, when asking the question of whether or not they are

Re: Binaries under GPL(2) (was: Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source)

2003-11-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Alexander Cherepanov wrote: 24-Nov-03 22:02 Don Armstrong wrote: in order to redistribute under the terms of the GPL, you need to be able to provide source (the prefered form for modification.) Section 2 of the GPL doesn't require to provide source. It doesn't talk

Re: simplest copyleft license for a wiki

2003-11-25 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 01:30:46AM +0100, Alex Schroeder wrote: Why do you think it is not appropriate for a legal document? I have heard a friend with a law PhD here in Switzerland say that a broad and fuzzy text is just as appropriate for legal texts, because then the court will examine the

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:01:39 -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I'm confused -- and don't read Japanese. But let me get one thing straight: what Hitachi distributed were strictly bitmap fonts, right? No metafont, truetype, or postscript font outlines, just bitmaps? Well, it's complicated issue.

Re: simplest copyleft license for a wiki

2003-11-25 Thread Alex Schroeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: I don't think you want to say You can change the license -- perhaps you want to say You may also choose to receive this under the terms of any other copyleft license, such as the GNU GPL, CreativeCommons ShareAlike, or XEmacs Manual License.