Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-10 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
Hi. I normally don't read this list (so don't shout at me if I'm dumb ;) but as an affected maintainer I have read the interpretation of this licence and have a question. On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 03:08:29PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: --- Debian-legal summary --- The OPL (Open Publication

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re : GPL+ for docs

2004-03-10 Thread Humberto Massa
Frank Lichtenheld wrote: Hi. .. stuff ... - The person who makes any modifications must be identified, which violates the dissident test. Hmm, a question about this: Wouldn't make this the GPL DFSG-nonfree? It states You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-10 Thread Simon Law
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 01:56:11PM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: - The person who makes any modifications must be identified, which violates the dissident test. Hmm, a question about this: Wouldn't make this the GPL DFSG-nonfree? It states You must cause the modified files to carry

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 01:56:11PM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: - The person who makes any modifications must be identified, which violates the dissident test. Hmm, a question about this: Wouldn't make this the GPL DFSG-nonfree? It states You must cause the modified files to carry

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:07:18AM -0500, Simon Law wrote: On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 03:08:29PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Here's a summary, since it doesn't seem like anyone has anything more to say on the subject: Hmm... I hate to seem authoritarian, but I'd like to see a little

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:00:44AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: I think we should take it on a case-by-case basis. For many cases, I'm afraid, this would simply end up taking up most of our time following the forms of producing summaries. My judgement was that there is no real controversy on

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-03-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:08:56AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 03:09:15PM -0500, Oleksandr Moskalenko wrote: I'd like to package an html manual for the package I'm preparing. However, it's covered by the Open Publication License v 1.0.

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-03 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 03:08:29PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Here's a summary, since it doesn't seem like anyone has anything more to say on the subject: Hmm... I hate to seem authoritarian, but I'd like to see a little more formality in d-l

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-03 Thread Simon Law
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:00:44AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 03:08:29PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Here's a summary, since it doesn't seem like anyone has anything more to say on the subject: Hmm... I hate to seem

Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-02 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My understanding of how this discussion developed is that a GPL license + a clause about allowing small non-commercial _paper_ printing runs to not have to provide sources, applied to software documentation would be DFSG-free and is generally

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-02 Thread Ken Arromdee
By the way, where are the dissident test (or for that matter, the desert island test) described? They don't seem to be in the definition of the DFSG on debian.org, a search on debian.org for dissident brings up no results, and it's not clear that an outside person who looks at a summary would

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-02 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Ken Arromdee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, where are the dissident test (or for that matter, the desert island test) described? They don't seem to be in the definition of the DFSG on debian.org, a search on debian.org for dissident brings up no results, and it's not clear that an

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-02 Thread Alexander Winston
On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 19:41 -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Ken Arromdee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, where are the dissident test (or for that matter, the desert island test) described? They don't seem to be in the definition of the DFSG on debian.org, a search on debian.org for

Re: Summary: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?, was Re: GPL+ for docs

2004-03-02 Thread Simon Law
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 03:08:29PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Here's a summary, since it doesn't seem like anyone has anything more to say on the subject: Hmm... I hate to seem authoritarian, but I'd like to see a little more formality in d-l summaries. What would be nice is

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-03-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 12:47:56AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: But as for the practical problem of distributing hardcopy versions, I simply don't see a way to satisfy the criteria: - DFSG free - copyleft (i.e., can't take it proprietary) - easy to distribute hardcopy (i.e., without

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-03-01 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 12:47:56AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Hrm. Punch cards come to mind. Can't say it should be computer readable -- what about OCR? I don't know how this would properly be worded. A stack of paper is not the preferred form

GPL+ for docs (Was: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?)

2004-03-01 Thread Oleksandr Moskalenko
* Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-01 09:18:43 -0500]: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 12:47:56AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Hrm. Punch cards come to mind. Can't say it should be computer readable -- what about OCR? I don't know how this

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-29 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 03:09:15PM -0500, Oleksandr Moskalenko wrote: I'd like to package an html manual for the package I'm preparing. However, it's covered by the Open Publication License v 1.0. http://opencontent.org/openpub/ Is it DFSG-free? I checked the

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 03:09:15PM -0500, Oleksandr Moskalenko wrote: http://opencontent.org/openpub/ Is it DFSG-free? It is free under the same conditions (no optional clauses). Huh? Do you not even try to address the arguments that it is

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-29 Thread Josh Triplett
Henning Makholm wrote: | Any publication in standard (paper) book form shall require the | citation of the original publisher and author. The publisher and | author's names shall appear on all outer surfaces of the book. On | all outer surfaces of the book the original publisher's name shall

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 12:21:11PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: | Any publication in standard (paper) book form shall require the | citation of the original publisher and author. The publisher and | author's names shall appear on all outer surfaces of the book. On | all outer surfaces of the

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to package an html manual for the package I'm preparing. However, it's covered by the Open Publication License v 1.0. http://opencontent.org/openpub/ Is it DFSG-free? Hmm.. | Any publication in standard (paper) book form shall require

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Oleksandr Moskalenko
* Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-28 12:21:11 +]: Scripsit Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to package an html manual for the package I'm preparing. However, it's covered by the Open Publication License v 1.0. http://opencontent.org/openpub/ Is it

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-28 12:21:11 +]: Scripsit Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Any publication in standard (paper) book form shall require the | citation of the original publisher and author. The publisher and

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Oleksander Moskalenko wrote: * Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-28 12:21:11 +]: Scripsit Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to package an html manual for the package I'm preparing. However, it's covered by the Open Publication License v 1.0.

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 04:52:34PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Traditionally d-l has suggested to folks with this problem that they use the GPL with explicit explanatory text explaining what they take preferred form for modification (i.e., source) to mean for their work (e.g., an electronic

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 04:52:34PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Traditionally d-l has suggested to folks with this problem that they use the GPL with explicit explanatory text explaining what they take preferred form for modification (i.e., source) to

Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-27 Thread Oleksandr Moskalenko
I'd like to package an html manual for the package I'm preparing. However, it's covered by the Open Publication License v 1.0. http://opencontent.org/openpub/ Is it DFSG-free? I checked the http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#DocumentationLicenses and they consider it free if none of