Re: [OT] is really (Was: Re: Patent issues)

2004-02-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 06:51:37PM +, Marco Franzen wrote: G. Branden Robinson| Psychology is really biology. Debian GNU/Linux | Biology is really chemistry. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Chemistry is really physics.

Re: Patent issues

2004-02-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:29:37PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Feb 19, 2004, at 04:09, Roland Stigge wrote: We don't know if the patent holder enforces the named patents next week. No, we don't. But we do know that in the past, Unisys has been very active in enforcing its LZW

Re: Patent issues

2004-02-24 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Feb 19, 2004, at 04:09, Roland Stigge wrote: We don't know if the patent holder enforces the named patents next week. No, we don't. But we do know that in the past, Unisys has been very active in enforcing its LZW (GIF) patent. We assume that a patent holder who has previously litigated

Re: Re: Patent issues

2004-02-19 Thread Roland Stigge
Hi, Brian M. Carlson wrote: I wonder if it is still possible for sarge to be released before 7 July 2004 (international expiration of US4558302). If not, we could start to move GIF/LZW patent encumbered packages from non-free and contrib to main. They will most likely not be moved

Re: Patent issues

2004-02-19 Thread Andreas Barth
* Roland Stigge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040219 10:10]: Brian M. Carlson wrote: I wonder if it is still possible for sarge to be released before 7 July 2004 (international expiration of US4558302). If not, we could start to move GIF/LZW patent encumbered packages from non-free and

Patent issues

2004-02-18 Thread Roland Stigge
Hi, I wonder if it is still possible for sarge to be released before 7 July 2004 (international expiration of US4558302). If not, we could start to move GIF/LZW patent encumbered packages from non-free and contrib to main. More generally, I hope I'm not the only one aware of the fact that

Re: Patent issues

2004-02-18 Thread Andreas Barth
* Roland Stigge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040218 18:40]: I wonder if it is still possible for sarge to be released before 7 July 2004 (international expiration of US4558302). If not, we could start to move GIF/LZW patent encumbered packages from non-free and contrib to main. I think this is a good

Re: Patent issues

2004-02-18 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 05:22:29PM +0100, Roland Stigge wrote: I wonder if it is still possible for sarge to be released before 7 July 2004 (international expiration of US4558302). If not, we could start to move GIF/LZW patent encumbered packages from non-free and contrib to main. They will

Re: Freetype patent issues

2004-01-23 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:20:58PM +0100, Alex de Landgraaf wrote: Hey debian-legal, Interested in improving font-AAing in Debian, I've taken a look at some of the patches in Debian for the freetype package. Now patents have hinderd true AA using freetype in Debian in the past ( 2 years

Re: Freetype patent issues

2004-01-23 Thread Måns Rullgård
Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debian is not patent-free, and will not be patent-free. CAST5 and CAST6 are patented but are available for use royalty free. DSA is patented by, IIRC, David Kravitz of the NSA. Putting a cursor on the screen using XOR is patented. The XOR cursor

Re: Freetype patent issues

2004-01-23 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 20:41, Måns Rullgård wrote: Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If Apple decides to actively enforce its patent, you should upgrade the severity to serious if the license available for general use is not compatible with the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

Re: Bug#216667: Freetype patent issues

2004-01-23 Thread Anthony Fok
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 08:08:03AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: patch (030-bytecode-interpreter.diff), I suspect this patch still remains from the 1.0 freetype series, when this and other patches were used to supply an unpatented bytecode interpreter. According to the freetype site,

Re: Bug#216667: Freetype patent issues

2004-01-23 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 23:12, Anthony Fok wrote: I just did some experiments, and it seems that the prettier version (http://descent.netsplit.com/~scott/fonts-upstream.png) was rendered with FreeType's autohinting on. In that case, I suggest modifying /etc/fonts/local.conf and uncomment the

Re: Bug#216667: Freetype patent issues

2004-01-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le sam 24/01/2004 à 00:12, Anthony Fok a écrit : I just did some experiments, and it seems that the prettier version (http://descent.netsplit.com/~scott/fonts-upstream.png) was rendered with FreeType's autohinting on. Yes, enabling the autohinter disables the bytecode interpreter as the two

Freetype patent issues

2004-01-22 Thread Alex de Landgraaf
Hey debian-legal, Interested in improving font-AAing in Debian, I've taken a look at some of the patches in Debian for the freetype package. Now patents have hinderd true AA using freetype in Debian in the past ( 2 years ago), but since the freetype 2.0 series this shouldn't be a problem anymore

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-23 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
From: Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I could support this proposal if it simply pops up a screen that says These corporations claim to hold patents on [part of] this package's functionality. [list of patent numbers, countries, expiration dates, short descriptions, links to more

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-23 Thread Don Marti
begin Barak Pearlmutter quotation of Wed, May 23, 2001 at 05:17:12AM -0600: Fortunately we're not actually talking about a *contract* here, just a warning. Be aware, some people claim that there might be a patent issue in some uses of this software (patents US7549857398573498,

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-21 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
I think chose my terminology poorly. When I wrote click through license I was using the word license sarcastically. Hence the scare quotes. From: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... The fact that proprietary software vendors engage in those acts is not an argument in favor of Debian doing

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-21 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 02:28:32AM -0600, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: The idea itself actually click-though notification. The click through was meant to imply that we could count on this being a valid information distribution mechanism just as much as many software vendors count on their click

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-21 Thread Jeffry Smith
Barak Pearlmutter said: I think chose my terminology poorly. When I wrote click through license I was using the word license sarcastically. Hence the scare quotes. From: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... The fact that proprietary software vendors engage in those acts is not an argument

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-20 Thread John Galt
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Steve Greenland wrote: Barak, I agree with your purpose, and completely disagree with your approach. Beyond some problems with practical matters (I think patent law varies way too widely to provide accurate information without undue burden on the maintainers), it has two

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-20 Thread Steve Greenland
On 19-May-01, 23:03 (CDT), John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2001, Steve Greenland wrote: 2a. It basically confirms that we think these patents are valid[1], and thus does not stay true to our ideals. It can be worded that Debian disagrees strongly with the idea of patented

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-20 Thread Steve Greenland
On 19-May-01, 20:15 (CDT), Barak Pearlmutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vendors of proprietary software use click-through licenses all the time. Vendors of proprietary software ship binary only software all the time. Vendors of proprietary software forbid reverse engineering all the time.

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-20 Thread John Galt
On Sun, 20 May 2001, Steve Greenland wrote: On 19-May-01, 23:03 (CDT), John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2001, Steve Greenland wrote: 2a. It basically confirms that we think these patents are valid[1], and thus does not stay true to our ideals. It can be worded that Debian

New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-19 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
We have a conflict: staying true to our ideals, which hold that software patents are a travesty, and preventing nasty lawyers from suing Debian for contributory patent infringement. To shield Debian from legal liability, we do not include patented algorithms in the main archive. This means that

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-19 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Barak Pearlmutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] There must be something wrong with your email software. Your message hit debian-legal more than a month past April 1. As an added legal protection, another question could follow this one, in which the user is informed that lying on the previoius

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-19 Thread Steve Greenland
Barak, I agree with your purpose, and completely disagree with your approach. Beyond some problems with practical matters (I think patent law varies way too widely to provide accurate information without undue burden on the maintainers), it has two fundamental flaws: 1. It puts a burden on our

Re: New idea for finessing patent issues (was: lame (again!))

2001-05-19 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
Hey, hang on! If there's something wrong with the idea (eg, you think it wouldn't really shield Debian from liability) please explain in more detail. Vendors of proprietary software use click-through licenses all the time. In part, these agreements are used to shield the vendors from legal