Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:40:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 25 lines which said: * Why you shouldn't use the GFDL:: Debian doesn't recommend using this license. Can you actually write this section and post it here? Because I have a practical problem:

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:40:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 25 lines which said: * Why you shouldn't use the GFDL:: Debian doesn't recommend using this license. Can you actually write this section and

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread iain d broadfoot
* Brian T. Sniffen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The MIT/X11 license and the GPL would both work, depending on whether you want a copyleft. The MIT license can probably be used just by itself. To use the GPL, though, you should probably put in a section which explains how your document can be

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
iain d broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Brian T. Sniffen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The MIT/X11 license and the GPL would both work, depending on whether you want a copyleft. The MIT license can probably be used just by itself. To use the GPL, though, you should probably put in a

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread iain d broadfoot
* Brian T. Sniffen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: iain d broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Brian T. Sniffen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The MIT/X11 license and the GPL would both work, depending on whether you want a copyleft. The MIT license can probably be used just by itself. To use

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
iain d broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and possibly avoid referring directly to MSWord as well - a reference to 'binary, closed file formats' would probably do the same job. Yes, that might be better. I'd avoid the words closed and binary, as MS is already trying to redefine both.

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
A Microsoft Word document is probably source code rather than object code: people do edit Microsoft Word documents, and people don't usually do automatic translations into Microsoft Word format (though they do sometimes, for example when exporting from another word processor). Anyway, I don't

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
iain d broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: plain text would simply mean that i can type `vim something`, and have the text appear in front of me. presumably, those strange foreign chaps already have their systems set up to handle those strange foreign chars. But *I* don't. So it's not a

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread Mark Rafn
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, iain d broadfoot wrote: but that allows MSWord docs, since i can edit them with Abiword, OOo etc... maybe request a plain text version alongside any other formats? or must be editable with free software and must be saved in a Free format? I'm not sure where this

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-22 Thread iain d broadfoot
* Mark Rafn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, iain d broadfoot wrote: but that allows MSWord docs, since i can edit them with Abiword, OOo etc... maybe request a plain text version alongside any other formats? or must be editable with free software and must be saved

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-17 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030416T094049-0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: * Why you shouldn't use the GFDL:: Debian doesn't recommend using this license. And what if this new section listing reasons _not_ to use this license were made... invariant! If we were to add to each GFDL'd document a section (invariant

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-17 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:40:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: Consider this a suggestion to maintainers of packages that contain documentation that are under the GFDL, especially if it contains invariant sections. Imagine if an Emacs user visited Info and saw this: * Menu: *

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-17 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20030416T094049-0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: * Why you shouldn't use the GFDL:: Debian doesn't recommend using this license. And what if this new section listing reasons _not_ to use this license were made... invariant! If we

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 02:34:36PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Debian can't legally distribute such an info document. Because the GFDL is incompatible with the GPL, it is prohibited to even create an info document from GFDL'd texinfo source. See #183860. Hrm, if that's the case, we can't

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And what if this new section listing reasons _not_ to use this license were made... invariant! I think writing such a new section is a reasonable thing, but of course, we can't make in invariant without violating our own principles.

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-17 Thread Simon Law
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 04:16:57AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 02:34:36PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Debian can't legally distribute such an info document. Because the GFDL is incompatible with the GPL, it is prohibited to even create an info document from GFDL'd

Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Consider this a suggestion to maintainers of packages that contain documentation that are under the GFDL, especially if it contains invariant sections. Imagine if an Emacs user visited Info and saw this: * Menu: * Distrib:: How to get the latest Emacs distribution. * Copying::

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:40:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: * Why you shouldn't use the GFDL:: Debian doesn't recommend using this license. And what if this new section listing reasons _not_ to use this license were made... invariant! If the FSF wants to give redistributors a

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:40:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: * Why you shouldn't use the GFDL:: Debian doesn't recommend using this license. And what if this new section listing reasons _not_ to use this license were made... invariant!

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-16 Thread Simon Law
On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:40:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: Consider this a suggestion to maintainers of packages that contain documentation that are under the GFDL, especially if it contains invariant sections. Imagine if an Emacs user visited Info and saw this: * Menu: *

Re: Suggestion to maintainers of GFDL docs

2003-04-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:40:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: Consider this a suggestion to maintainers of packages that contain documentation that are under the GFDL, especially if it contains invariant sections. Imagine if an Emacs user visited