Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]
Trent W. Buck wrote: Does Ubiquity support installing Debian? yes. If not, is anyone working on it? not that I'm aware of, and I also think it's useless. From the Debian point of view, we should only have one installer infrastructure. An implementation of that can be seen in the different modes d-i has, a text modus and a graphical modus. Apart from the graphical bling, all options, how it works and the look and feel of both modes are identical. This is a great strength, since you only need to support/test/document/$whatever one backend. That's also why live-installer is made as a udeb to hook into d-i, and not beeing a reinvention of the wheel, so that all the d-i framework is used except the difference of not bootstrapping the system but unpacking the squashfs. For a future 'click-on-your-desktop'-installer, the same should be kept in mind. For the text-mode installer, depending on what is better, either doing kexec to launch d-i, or doing a loop-mount of the d-i initrd, chroot into it, and launch it there from a terminal window. A year ago, the d-i graphical guy said, that the graphical d-i mode could be easily recompiled to work as a standalone application (it needs to be linked against gtk, rather than gtk directfb stuff in order to run on ordinary X11). I've not heard anything new on that. Would be nice if anyone has time to look into that though. Regards, Daniel -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ ___ debian-live-devel mailing list debian-live-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-live-devel
Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]
Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Trent W. Buck wrote: Does Ubiquity support installing Debian? yes. If not, is anyone working on it? not that I'm aware of, and I also think it's useless. I agree. Ubiquity doesn't support md RAID or LVM; and its Hardy version has accessibility issues in its timezone widget. And as you say: [...] we should only have one installer infrastructure. [d-i is interface-agnostic.] Agreed, but my understanding was that *right now*, d-i doesn't have a click-on-your-desktop mode. I meant to imply in my previous post that Ubiquity might be a short-term kludge (rather than a permanent solution) to address the OP's needs until d-i is ready. A year ago, the d-i graphical guy said, that the graphical d-i mode could be easily recompiled to work as a standalone application (it needs to be linked against gtk, rather than gtk directfb stuff in order to run on ordinary X11). I've not heard anything new on that. Would be nice if anyone has time to look into that though. Perhaps the OP should contact the d-i people directly and discuss click-on-your-desktop support (including bounties) with them. ___ debian-live-devel mailing list debian-live-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-live-devel
Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]
Marco Amadori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Saturday 05 July 2008, 08:41:19, Trent W. Buck wrote: 3. Ubuntu-style installer This is where you boot into a graphical Debian Live system and run a wizard-based program which installs and configures the live system, all the time remaining inside the live graphical environment. This is currently NOT possible with Debian Live. Does Ubiquity support installing Debian? If not, is anyone working on it? Nobody even tried to port it, but maybe it could work with some care. Evenmore, the planned way to handle installing from live running it was chrooting into d-i filesystem and then go to install type 2. And porting graphical gtk-directfb installer to gtk X. I think we can avoid the recompile right now. I'll look into that. -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://otavio.ossystems.com.br - Microsoft sells you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house. ___ debian-live-devel mailing list debian-live-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-live-devel
Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trent W. Buck) writes: A year ago, the d-i graphical guy said, that the graphical d-i mode could be easily recompiled to work as a standalone application (it needs to be linked against gtk, rather than gtk directfb stuff in order to run on ordinary X11). I've not heard anything new on that. Would be nice if anyone has time to look into that though. Perhaps the OP should contact the d-i people directly and discuss click-on-your-desktop support (including bounties) with them. In three weeks I'll be starting a project that I'd like to use this, so I'll probably work on that. I doubt it can enters Lenny but I'll try to make it. -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://otavio.ossystems.com.br - Microsoft sells you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house. ___ debian-live-devel mailing list debian-live-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-live-devel
Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]
Daniel Baumann wrote: Marco Ghirlanda wrote: Chris Lamb? Who's Chris? Chris Lamb, or lamby on irc.oftc.net Me. :) Regarding an installer, you'll have to be a little more specific to what you are after. There are three different types of installer that I can think of: 1. Normal Debian Installer This is a Debian Live image with a seperate kernel and initrd which (when selected from the bootloader) launches into a standard Debian Installer instance, just as if you had downloaded a CD image of Debian and booted it. This means that Debian is installed by fetching and installing .deb packages using debootstrap, either from the CD or some mirror, resulting in a real Debian system being installed to the hard disk. This whole process can be preseeded and customised in a number of ways; see the relevant wiki pages[0] and installation guides[1] for more. This is working now. 2. Live Debian Installer This is a Debian Live image with a seperate kernel and initrd which (when selected from the bootloader) launches into an instance of the Debian Installer. Installation will proceed as of #1 but at the actual package installation stage, instead of using debootstrap to fetch and install .deb packages, the live filesystem image is copied to the target. The Debian Installer then proceeds to install and configure things such as bootloaders and local users, etc. This is working now (assuming you use live-installer = 6 from unstable - see Daniel's message for the link). 3. Ubuntu-style installer This is where you boot into a graphical Debian Live system and run a wizard-based program which installs and configures the live system, all the time remaining inside the live graphical environment. This is currently NOT possible with Debian Live. Please note: * Please note my careful use of capital letters when referring to the Debian Installer - when used like this I refer explicitly to the official installer for the Debian system, not anything else. See its Wikipedia page[2] for more. It is often seen abbreviated to d-i.) * In the place of selecting options from a bootloader it is possible to use kexec to launch immediately into a Debian Installer instance without requiring a reboot or fiddling with boot options. I don't know whether this is generally supported or advised, but it works for me. * It would probably be not too difficult to start one of the first two installation processes via the win32-loader program[3]. (Long mail, sorry, but I can copy/paste it straight into the manual and link other people to it.) /Lamby [0] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller [1] http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian-Installer [3] http://goodbye-microsoft.com/more.html -- Chris Lamb, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 0x634F9A20 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ debian-live-devel mailing list debian-live-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-live-devel
Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]
Marco Ghirlanda wrote: I tried to contact premier Debian Live developer and got no answer. silence. thanks for giving people a bit more than 36 hours to answer (especially not if you don't do it yourself too, there are at least two mails open from me wrt/ powua; however). Any news with the installer? Chris did good work on it last week, since I did not a live-installer enabled build since then, I'm not up2date with its current state (e.g. if the grub-installer bug has gone or not). I offer my help to test it and debug it, just let me know how can we proceed. Anyway, if you have time to kill, just try it yourself and let us know, build a live system with LH_DEBIAN_INSTALLER_DAILY=enabled LH_DEBIAN_INSTALLER=live and put the live-installer udeb into config/binary_local-udebs. Do you mind if I offer a sponsorship for it? What would be the most appropriate way of paying this feature to Debian Live in your opinion? depending on how much work to do is left, I'd setup a bounty with a fixed amount if I were you. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ ___ debian-live-devel mailing list debian-live-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-live-devel
Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]
Marco Ghirlanda wrote: Chris Lamb? Who's Chris? Chris Lamb, or lamby on irc.oftc.net live installer udeb? where I can find it? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/live-installer/ Where to set up a bounty? What fixed amount? write a mail to the mailinglist, announcing that you pay $dollars to the first who meets your desired goal(s). we had some bounties in the past from safedesk[0] (which didn't work out that well, since the company did disappear later somehow). [0] http://lwn.net/Articles/185325/ Thanks for you proverbial kindness Daniel and have a nice day! my pleasure, you're welcome as always. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ ___ debian-live-devel mailing list debian-live-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-live-devel
[Fwd: DL Installer]
For who may concern, thanks for reading :-) I tried to contact premier Debian Live developer and got no answer. silence. Anyone's willing to send me a quotation for this? m Still I'm very sad Installer is not working and tried to ask how to debug: no answer :-( that will be focused next week, don't worry. Any news with the installer? I offer my help to test it and debug it, just let me know how can we proceed. Do you mind if I offer a sponsorship for it? What would be the most appropriate way of paying this feature to Debian Live in your opinion? Much thanks for your time and hope to hear from you soon. Marco Ghirlanda ArtistX Team ___ debian-live-devel mailing list debian-live-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-live-devel
