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Yeah, I agree. That's partly what I was trying to do with my notes,
but they need more revision, and I wouldn't at all mind the content
being copied somewhere that's more generally editable so that other
should use at least trivial symbol
versioning that assigns all symbols a version that changes with the
SONAME.
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* Upload to unstable.
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(the package maintainer) specifically said that he wanted to handle
the update in:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=690128#95
That's why I didn't offer to sponsor this upload. Admittedly, he's not
gotten a chance yet, and it's been a little bit.
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this issue. It may need a bug against doxygen, though (and
possibly some help for the Doxygen maintainer).
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Detected character set: UTF-8
Please change your locale if this is incorrect.
Using 'Russ Allbery r...@debian.org' as your from address.
Getting status for svnlog...
Checking for newer versions at madison...
Will use mailto
as a source package header in debian/control
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the *.dsc files. The
devscripts package has an nmudiff script that automates much of this
procedure.
(I'm listed as a comaintainer for openldap but haven't had any time to
work on the package for quite some time, unfortunately. I should really
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), such as this
one. There are huge false positive problems with the tag, which is why
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Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [121102 19:29]:
I'm starting to think that we should drop this tag entirely. There are
a lot of legitimate reasons why shared libraries call exit(), plus
there are legitimate reasons why shared library source includes
:
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2012-01/007.html
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2012-01/008.html
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2012-02/001.html
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of merging the branch but in the sense of
reimporting it, right? At least I don't see an git-import-orig option
which allows upstream-source to be a git branch.
git-import-orig --upstream-vcs-tag. It's great. :) I use it for all my
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options. For some reason that I've
not been able to figure out, PIE causes some really weird problems in some
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that by overriding dh_autoreconf and running:
dh_autoreconf -- autoconf
instead of its default action. That should be safe, since the package
doesn't use automake or libtool either, so the other things that
autoreconf runs are not relevant to it.
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ever previously required.
Unfortunately, there is not good documentation of exactly what's required
in copyright files. There are a lot of open bugs against Policy about
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in Europe either. There is some precendent for doing
something similar to what you're doing (see readline/editline).
Of course, even if what you're doing is perfectly legal, that doesn't
prevent someone from suing you anyway.
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that shared stuff between the MySQL packages.
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Marc Haber mh+debian-ment...@zugschlus.de writes:
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 07:53:04PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
It would indeed be best if everything possible was documented, but very
few people volunteer to do the work to drive changes to the
documentation through to completion
the wrong design to me.
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thanks for pinging me. I saw others taking over the additional reviews
of time, so I'm fine with them sponsoring it.
Thanks, Sandro!
Bob, I've uploaded the latest version. Thank you for your work!
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Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes:
It was. But then Russ Allbery noted some oddities! :-) I have
addressed those issues with a new package turn. Here is the latest
and greatest:
http://www.proulx.com/~bob/debian/pool/sid/main/time/2012-06-24/time_1.7-24.dsc
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be fixed by just
deleting the .PD 0 command (or at least moving it down to the formatting
section, if it's still desireable for the resource specifiers.
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* The formatting of the man page isn't great. There are a few places that
seem to have spurious line breaks (the --append documentation, for
example), and it's traditional to have a blank line between each option
documented in OPTIONS. The second
the
package as-is.
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will be considered wrong by consensus, but as you mention, I think it's a
common interpretation by other packagers of GNU software.
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applying the same standards to
sponsoring as one would generally apply to any other package in the
archive; I think this is just a disagreement over what the existing Policy
text means. Now that I've seen this thread, I can certainly see where
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Absolutely.
And I'm sorry for my tone in some of my earlier messages. I had a really
obnoxious week and didn't do a very good job of keeping that out of my
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Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes:
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:54:10AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes:
That authors are not the same as copyright holders is simply a
fact regardless of what debian-policy states. For example, the
programmer who wrote some
for the
purposes of identification. The only difference is that it's obvious
that the former is a pseudonym :)
For the record, here's the actual policy for DDs:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2009/07/msg00044.html
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for all the people
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requirement of coinstallability
of multiple versions of the library is that the library MUST use symbol
versioning properly so that the libraries can coexist in memory without
tromping on each other.
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in the wheezy release.
Then all other packages must be removed from testing before freeze, right?
No.
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change that was made in an earlier version, I fix it like any other bug:
correct the changelog for that version, and add a note in the changelog
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pronounceable password generation
algorithm to warrant yet another package?
apg uses Morrie Gasser's algorithm from A Random Word Generator For
Pronounceable Passwords (National Technical Information Service (NTIS)
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Java, which provides a lot of tools to try to get it right, doesn't offer
a good ABI versioning system, so if you do have to change the ABI, there
isn't a good way of handling the transition.)
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described in the last paragraph there is now supported natively by the
latest git-buildpackage (although I haven't had a chance to test yet).
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Yup, this is what the OpenLDAP packages do for exactly this use case.
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Malte Forkel malte.for...@berlin.de writes:
Am 25.03.2012 19:21, schrieb Russ Allbery:
Arno Töll deb...@toell.net writes:
As another alternative which comes me in mind is a pseudo-shared
library. You would put the common functions into
debian/maintscripts-common and copy its contents
/pkgs.html#nmu
Also the wrong version for an NMU of a new upstream release (should be
-0.1).
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would be correct. Will try that when I find the time to recreate the
repository.
Yes, that would work if you want to preserve the history. But since
nothing other than pristine-tar is going to look at the upstream branch,
I'm not sure I'd bother.
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realized that I really needed a
Debian-specific patch. It works, but quilt is really another VCS, and I
don't like layering one VCS on top of another. VCS management is too
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Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes:
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/git.html
Where were you 2 years ago when I first asked about how to use git when
being both upstream and debian maintainer? :)
Posting that site to Planet Debian
of
architectures on which valgrind is required, even if you also
opportunistically test for its existence. There's no reason to allow
*not* running valgrind tests on i386 and amd64.
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Jerome BENOIT g62993...@rezozer.net writes:
What should be the default target for debian/rules ?
Whatever you want, basically. None of the standard tools ever invoke it
with the default target, so it's up to the discretion of the maintainer.
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they are!
The current plan is to release debian-policy with the 1.0 version of this
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operating systems and is not actually
a good idea unless all of the libraries the package uses support a
facility like pkgconfig (which is something that upstream is often not in
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Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
For the main archive, the NEW check I think is best thought of as a
spot check to ensure maintainers are doing their jobs. The real
responsibility of not uploading non-redistributable
being somewhat paranoid about things that get
the official imprimatur of the project. And I'm certainly not a lawyer
and this is just my guess.
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in and of itself.
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is going to be a derivative
work in most cases and also won't be redistributable.
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rights. ftpmaster is just checking for mistakes (at
the point at which most mistakes are made).
The difference for mentors is that the uploaders are not (yet) Debian
project members and are not guaranteed to be trained in our licensing
policies, and have not agreed to follow our rules.
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the ViewVC URI, which I didn't realize
would work but which does seem to be versioned (even though Lintian
doesn't know about it).
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Thomas Weber twe...@debian.org writes:
On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 05:14:32PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
If it's a private symbol not intended to be used by clients and that
wouldn't naturally be used by clients, you can mark it optional in the
symbols file (symbol tag optional
), and then the symbols generation won't
care if it appears and disappears.
You have to do that for some things with C++, since there are places where
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of wishful thinking and forward progress
Looking at the history, it's probably referring to the ongoing problem
that one can't really use Build-Depends-Indep without a lot of trouble
because the buildds run build, not build-arch.
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there is no versioned URL currently available
that takes you straight to the current text of the document. However, I
may have missed something.
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in the section for
syntax-error-in-debian-changelog perhaps it only works for syntax errors?
Is this a bug or a feature?
I think it's a bug. Could you open a bug on Lintian about that? Thanks!
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and non-extortive ones, this
certainly should be (in part) up to the BTS admins. Any black list that
Debian uses I'm sure Debian has the local ability to override.
Starting upstream is probably the right move, but contacting the BTS
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in the one-time tool configuration effort required to separate the
two release flows, generally unnecessary.
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format. But using 3.0 (native) as a stand-in for that causes problems
because it breaks various assumptions about the meaning of a native
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it will happen,
at least in the near future. Job control in portable Bourne shell isn't
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is sufficiently painful that I really don't want to use it for a
problem involving merges).
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an unfortunate upstream name, given the conflict with the existing
Heimdal package (which is a long-standing implementation of Kerberos).
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for that to be any sort of issue since C -dev packages aren't likely
to care about dpkg-dev one way or the other.
Note that I explicitly said, and meant, part of build-essential, not in
the transitive closure of build-essential's dependencies.
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Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [110824 19:34]:
-data packages *should* depend on the non-data package in an ideal
world, and the only reason why they don't is because circular
dependencies are a bigger problem. But -data packages are generally
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
On 2011-08-22, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
There are not, so far as I know, any exceptions for -dev packages from the
normal requirements for Depends, which say simply:
The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package
packages do not have to declare dependencies on
any package that's part of build-essential.)
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shouldn't be required given the current Policy wording.
I think this should probably be raised as a Policy bug so that we can
clarify this one way or the other.
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Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [110822 19:59]:
That's a fascinating point. I have never done that with any -dev
package, since essentially every -dev package would require that, which
seems rather silly. (There are almost no non-trivial C libraries
David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com writes:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 00:58, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
You can't use disappearing packages with Policy-compliant packages so
far as I can tell, since it would require both packages provide the
same /usr/share/doc directory
violation.
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it, and that way the desktop file is only installed when
the command is available.
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the latest config.{guess, sub},
or is it enough to set the --build and --host options of configure
with dpkg-architecture?
If you don't use config.guess and config.sub, there's no reason to copy
them into the package.
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the Policy process, but it's an
*optional* policy. No package will be required to use DEP-5. It won't
even be at the should level. That was part of the original DEP-5
discussion; it's there for people who want to use it, but it's not
something the project wants to standardize on.
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of the upstream commit message,
edited as necessary to keep the length of the changelog lines
down.
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Wolodja Wentland babi...@gmail.com writes:
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 12:53 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
[ ... ]
but for some other packages I want to use some of the files that are
generated as part of the upstream tarball release but aren't checked in.
Ok, this is not necessary for me right
Debian revision of the package without having to hunt down or download the
original upstream tarball separately. With Subversion, I ended up
checking the upstream tarballs into the repository to accomplish the same
end, but of course that gets very bloated in terms of space very quickly.
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absolutely forbid this in Policy instead of just removing the
requirement. I'll open a bug against debian-policy for this.
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to handle this in debian/libxyz.install?
On Debian, you should always install into lib and never use lib64.
(Eventually, you may want to use the multiarch directory, but it will
still not be lib64.)
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, then it should realize that it can't prompt and just abort.
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David Bremner brem...@debian.org writes:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:40:54 -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
On Debian, you should always install into lib and never use lib64.
(Eventually, you may want to use the multiarch directory, but it will
still not be lib64.)
That was my first
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