Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-09-02 Thread Ole Streicher
Jonathan Perry-Houts jonat...@invertedearth.net writes: Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but have you looked in to plplot? There is a program that claims to assist in converting pgplot dependencies to plplot for exactly this purpose. http://pg2plplot.sourceforge.net/ I'll have a

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-09-02 Thread Ole Streicher
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes: On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Ole Streicher wrote: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Ole Streicher wrote: I am just looking for a solution for this problem... It might be easier to port the software to something

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-09-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014, Ole Streicher wrote: The policy manual says (2.2.2): | The contrib archive area contains supplemental packages intended to | work with the Debian distribution, but which require software outside | of the distribution to either build or function.

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-09-02 Thread Ole Streicher
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes: Sure. The bug #690282 is two years old. All I ask here is how this can be changed, or what the effective way is to support all platforms here -- especially for a DM without abusing his mentor. It is not trivial to address this request. It

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-09-02 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org, 2014-09-02, 11:56: 2. Move it to non-free and get it vetoed as auto-buildable (requires that its license and the license of its non-free build-dependencies allow his). This isn't really supposed to work, but AFAIK we trust people will not abuse

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-09-02 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 05:43:15PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: It requires manually vetoing which packages from non-free are safe to be used as contrib build dependencies (much like we manually veto what packages from non-free can be autobuilt). Why would we need to manually select them?

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-09-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org, 2014-09-02, 11:56: 2. Move it to non-free and get it vetoed as auto-buildable (requires that its license and the license of its non-free build-dependencies allow his). This isn't really supposed to work,

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-09-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 02:20:59PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: We want to provide a binary distribution to our end users, and we want to have best possible experience, right? We want to provide a libre / *free* distribution to our end users. Anything else is just tolerated / hosted.

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-21 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Ole Streicher wrote: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Ole Streicher wrote: I am just looking for a solution for this problem... It might be easier to port the software to something that isn't non-free so the package can be put in

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Ole Streicher wrote: I am just looking for a solution for this problem... It might be easier to port the software to something that isn't non-free so the package can be put in main. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-20 Thread Ole Streicher
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Ole Streicher wrote: I am just looking for a solution for this problem... It might be easier to port the software to something that isn't non-free so the package can be put in main. As you can see from the bug, dependency

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-20 Thread Jonathan Perry-Houts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but have you looked in to plplot? There is a program that claims to assist in converting pgplot dependencies to plplot for exactly this purpose. http://pg2plplot.sourceforge.net/ On August 20, 2014

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-18 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Ole, On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 01:31:40PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: And, the question remains: how do I effectively shall maintain such a package without burding a heavy load to my sponsor and possibly to other people (porters)? I am willing to do my job here, but I see myself quite

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-08-18 09:46 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi Ole, On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 01:31:40PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: And, the question remains: how do I effectively shall maintain such a package without burding a heavy load to my sponsor and possibly to other people (porters)? I am

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-18 Thread Ole Streicher
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu writes: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 01:31:40PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: And, the question remains: how do I effectively shall maintain such a package without burding a heavy load to my sponsor and possibly to other people (porters)? I am willing to do my job

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-18 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Ole, On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:07:31AM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu writes: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 01:31:40PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: And, the question remains: how do I effectively shall maintain such a package without burding a heavy load to my

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-17 Thread Ole Streicher
Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes: i386 packages can be built in a chroot. For anything else, you can ask on a porters' mailing list[0]; although it might not be worth the effort. OK, my sponsor granted be upload rights for the package yet. So, I first uploaded a new version (source + amd64),

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-15 Thread Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr
One more question: Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes: * Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr debian-de...@liska.ath.cx, 2014-08-14, 09:46: I've uploaded a package to contrib [1], that needs a non-free package (pgplot5) as build dependency. While it builds nicely on my local pbuilder (after adding non-free), it

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr wrote: One more question: Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes: * Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr debian-de...@liska.ath.cx, 2014-08-14, 09:46: I've uploaded a package to contrib [1], that needs a non-free package (pgplot5) as build dependency. While it builds nicely on my

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-15 Thread Jakub Wilk
[Out of curiosity, is there a reason your name in the From field is written in a mixture of Latin and Cyrillic scripts?] * Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr debian-de...@liska.ath.cx, 2014-08-15, 10:15: I've uploaded a package to contrib [1], that needs a non-free package (pgplot5) as build dependency. While it

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-15 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr debian-de...@liska.ath.cx, 2014-08-14, 19:49: i386 packages can be built in a chroot. For anything else, you can ask on a porters' mailing list[0]; although it might not be worth the effort. Since I am not a DD yet, this would mean that I have to ask for access to all porter

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-15 Thread Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr
Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes: * Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr debian-de...@liska.ath.cx, 2014-08-14, 19:49: i386 packages can be built in a chroot. For anything else, you can ask on a porters' mailing list[0]; although it might not be worth the effort. Since I am not a DD yet, this would mean that I

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-15 Thread Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr
Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes: [Out of curiosity, is there a reason your name in the From field is written in a mixture of Latin and Cyrillic scripts?] That is my usenet-setup; it just makes it difficult do google my postings by my name while the name is still human-readable. * Оlе

Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr
Hi, I've uploaded a package to contrib [1], that needs a non-free package (pgplot5) as build dependency. While it builds nicely on my local pbuilder (after adding non-free), it fails to build on the buildds [2]. Is there a special thingy that I missed when I specified the dependency? Also, I am

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr debian-de...@liska.ath.cx, 2014-08-14, 09:46: I've uploaded a package to contrib [1], that needs a non-free package (pgplot5) as build dependency. While it builds nicely on my local pbuilder (after adding non-free), it fails to build on the buildds [2]. This is bug #690282.

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr
Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes: * Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr debian-de...@liska.ath.cx, 2014-08-14, 09:46: I've uploaded a package to contrib [1], that needs a non-free package (pgplot5) as build dependency. While it builds nicely on my local pbuilder (after adding non-free), it fails to build on the

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, debian-de...@liska.ath.cx (Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr) writes: Also, I am wondering about the section and priority: The control file [3] and the dsc file has contrib/science and optional, but the PTS lists them as contrib/misc and extra. Who changed that, why is this done, and shouldn't the

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org, 2014-08-14, 10:26: Also, I am wondering about the section and priority: The control file [3] and the dsc file has contrib/science and optional, but the PTS lists them as contrib/misc and extra. Who changed that, why is this done, and shouldn't the

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr debian-de...@liska.ath.cx, 2014-08-14, 10:08: I've uploaded a package to contrib [1], that needs a non-free package (pgplot5) as build dependency. While it builds nicely on my local pbuilder (after adding non-free), it fails to build on the buildds [2]. This is bug #690282.

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr
Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes: * Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr debian-de...@liska.ath.cx, 2014-08-14, 10:08: I've uploaded a package to contrib [1], that needs a non-free package (pgplot5) as build dependency. While it builds nicely on my local pbuilder (after adding non-free), it fails to build on the

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr
Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org writes: As I don't really care about Priority and Section for source packages, I haven't thought further about this and dak currently uses misc:extra for all of them. Policy, 5.6.6: Priority | This field represents how important it is that the user have the

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Russ Allbery
debian-de...@liska.ath.cx (Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr) writes: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org writes: As I don't really care about Priority and Section for source packages, I haven't thought further about this and dak currently uses misc:extra for all of them. Policy, 5.6.6: Priority | This field

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: debian-de...@liska.ath.cx (Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr) writes: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org writes: As I don't really care about Priority and Section for source packages, I haven't thought further about this and dak currently uses misc:extra for all of them.

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Russ Allbery
debian-de...@liska.ath.cx (Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr) writes: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: I'm pretty sure that default is applied before dak ever sees the binary package priority. (In other words, it's expanded via the build process before priorities are added to the *.changes file.) So it is

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr wrote: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Also, dak is canonical for priorities, and values in binary packages are only used on initial upload to set the initial override value. From that point forward, changes have to be made via bugs filed with

Re: Build-depending on non-free package

2014-08-14 Thread Оlе Ѕtrеісhеr
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes: Initial priorities are set by the ftpmaster that accepted the package from NEW. They may, or may not match the ones in the package's priority field. i.e. that field is an _advisory_ field. This is not what is in the policy. The policy says,