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instance, it is not obvious whether a package
will spend most of its life as MMDD or X.Y until that switch
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, this will allow packages declaring
pre-dependencies on adduser to run their preinsts even though
the new passwd is not yet available, rendering adduser useless.
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apparently only change things not affecting that particular
operation.
Can you really guarantee that this will be the case in future?
Remember when perl broke during the libdb upgrade?
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Objection. There is no way to create any user in preinst as the tool
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-dependencies, and probably most of
the things it depends on as well.
You also need to ensure that adduser and anything that it depends on to
function are always available at all times just like libc6.
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exists, not if it is
executable.
There is no point in test executability since the test is meant to
determine whether the package has been removed or not.
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) || echo failed
failed
dash$ FOO=$(false) echo worked
worked
This is definitely a (recent) bug in dash.
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On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 07:34:03PM -0500, Decklin Foster wrote:
Thanks. Could you point me to where the correct behavior is specified?
Penultimate sentence before section 2.9.1.1.
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the upstream tarball btw. It is as-is within the
uploaded tarball, together with patches and other files I need to
build the debs.
Perhaps the general opinion on this has changed. What do other
developers think about this?
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for that, but I don't see noted that other packages are
not allowed to be packaged that way.
I'm reassigning this to debian-policy so we can get a general opinion
on this section.
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the symlink.
They would get a warning from man of course, but that should be easy
to special case in man(1).
Personally I think the manual page would be useful to users new
to Debian.
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unconditionally in a postinst
script. Thus it is OK for a package to simply put ldconfig in its
postinst without checking $1.
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document does not explicitly state that. I do not think that there is
a concensus about whether XSI extensions should be disallowed.
So I object against including posh until this is clarified.
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slashes. All SYSV shells behaved like
printf %b\n $*
This includes pdksh.
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definition to standard output.
[...]
ls=foo
is an alias definition.
alias ls=foo
is a command line that represents the alias definition.
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If so that is indeed incorrect and will be fixed.
More details please.
%s=%s\n, name, value
Will fix.
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The other problem, then, is that we will have a situation wherein no shell
in Debian would be suitable as /bin/sh (unless I'm assuming incorrectly
about pdksh).
Please be more specific.
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the options -a and -o, as well as parentheses for the
test command or [.
the obsolescent forms of kill and trap: kill -INT or kill -9.
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it would be acceptable for us to specify UP as well as XSI.
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Herbert Xu wrote:
I object. Until versioned provides work reliably, doing this prevents
any use of versioned dependencies on such packages which may come back
to haunt us.
If something needs to declare a versioned dependency, it need only use
object. Until versioned provides work reliably, doing this prevents
any use of versioned dependencies on such packages which may come back
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+ described in this paragraph.
/p
sect
Seconded.
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Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 05-Sep-01, 16:52 (CDT), Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vociferous Mole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So? Isn't it a bug? This isn't a case of a policy change creating a bug,
but of a existing bug being highlighted by the policy clarification
will second it.
BTW, what is it with all the Steves in this thread? :)
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BTW, what is it with all the Steves in this thread? :)
Is your problem that there are so many of us, or that we seem to be
excessively dim? I personally blame insufficient caffiene
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 08:53:20PM -0400, Steve M. Robbins wrote:
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 06:52:55PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Would there be a problem with enshrining this with the following
policy simplification?
Nope. It still has the same problem, i.e., all packages simply doing
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. This change instantly creats a bucket load of RC
bugs for no good reason.
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Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
...or an echo. Seconded.
Better make that a printf :)
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was precisely that there
were situations where these directories were not in the PATH and this
broke the scripts.
Only because the user's system was misconfigured...
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, then the default behaviour of
dpkg where it fails if things like start-stop-daemon isn't found in a
PATH search would stand out like sore thumb.
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/local/sbin in
front of it to override start-stop-daemon. This simply isn't possible if
PATH was set.
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system that uses it, or
at least as long as I don't know about it :)
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libgtrans is up to).
Although the kernels aren't shared libraries, they are in the same boat
and hyphens have been used there since very early on, e.g., we have
kernel-source-2.4.5.
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Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:20:48AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and neither is libc6 because some parts of it can only be linked
statically.
Which ones?
/usr/lib/libc_nonshared.a. It contains atexit
mangeling).
Well, perhaps your time would be better spent in addressing these issues.
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On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:35:30AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Herbert Xu wrote:
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and neither is libc6 because some parts of it can only be linked
statically.
Which ones?
nss modules come to mind.
You mean:
$ ls /lib/libnss
doesn't even apply.
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Arabic and hebrew have problem of being written right-to-left,
and therefore they cannot be easily supported, unicode or not.
That's a display issue, not an encoding one.
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If this is not how ldconfig works currently, then it should be fixed.
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strongly. The only reason why things like POSIX exists is
because in general there is no consensus.
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it by adding back some editors. This isn't
fool-proof, but so what?
Agreed.
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as an essential package depends on it. So this actually avoids the need
for explicit dependencies.
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Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The comparison breaks down as there isn't an editor which is actually
essential.
Yes, but _an_ editor is almost essential. Well, it's essential all right if
you consider that things like
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From a package dependency point of view, almost essential is a world away
from actually being essential.
Packages can assume that the user has means of editing config files without
declaring
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I'm not talking about editing config files here. I'm more interested in
programs that invoke /usr/bin/editor.
Well, see Policy section 12.4. Editors and pagers.
Your point being
just for buildd's. Humans need them too.
I wouldn't like to have to compile a package and fail near the very end just
because it hasn't declared a proper versioned build-depends on debhelper.
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Well, then it would be a good thing if it had a configuration file.
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). Otherwise, IMHO this just wastes
the time of the maintainers involved.
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this check for nonfree packages since they
may not have source.
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comes from doing a stable/unstable upload.
The problem is that the bad things which come from it are not due to the
fact that they are stable unstable uploads.
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On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:51:06PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 08:42:16AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
Are you saying that packages compiled against old libc6-dev packages are
not guarranteed to work with a new libc6? Well, better tell that to all
the application vendors
, this is what I did in telnetd:
if [ -z $(dpkg-statoverride --list /usr/lib/telnetlogin) ]; then
chown root.telnetd /usr/lib/telnetlogin
chmod 4754 /usr/lib/telnetlogin
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) become
policy? Not only is this pointless, it also means that a lot of packages are
now in violation of this policy. I propose that the and only if phrase be
removed from the above sentence.
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invocations of postrm? If the latter,
then surely some forms of prerm can't assume dependencies either?
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that provides in the next release.
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On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:13:44PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
As such, I recommend that we change this bug title to:
dynamic creation of libx.so.n
Sorry, but this has been solved ages ago in ldconfig :)
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required? Does ldconfig do that?
ldconfig doesn't. But it isn't that hard to remove dangling symlinks
in those directories, be it by ldconfig or some other utility.
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for upstream
You wouldn't have to do that if your downstream maintainer were doing his
job properly and forwarding the bugs to you.
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the Debian BTS is a totally
open system.
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and allow shlibs with different minor version numbers to be installed
together by encoding it into the package name. Of course, we'll have
to manage /usr/lib/libfoo.so.2 dynamically as well.
Break
and foo 2.1 installed, ldconfig will symlink
foo 2.1 it to foo.so.2 which is exactly what you want.
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how dpkg-shlibdeps works though.
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and hence find
the correct .so file.
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of the variable should
be /usr/bin/install. If it is set to a non-absolute path, configure will add
dots in subdirectories to refer to the top-level command, and then calls to
Well let's fix autoconf then.
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for now.
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names: ftp-server, not ftpd, or c-compiler, not cc. I'd rather have
the virtual package be named system-log-daemon. Just a suggestion.
Personally I prefer syslog-daemon.
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Lance Taylor
Copyright (C) 1991,1992,1994 Linus Torvalds
Copyright (C) 1992,1993,1994 Andrew Tridgell
Copyright (C) 1992 Theodore Ts'o
Copyright (C) 1994 University of Bristol, England
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, or it could leave cfinger entry alone, and
you have to modify it manually - not good.
That just means efingerd's postinst is broken.
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?
That doesn't seem to correspond to what's in cfingerd's prerm. Although
it is buggy in that it shouldn't enable itself if there's already a finger
service there.
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arguments, it just silently ignores it and continue.
Wrong. the argument to --remove is the pattern.
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root/usr/sbin/tcpd
/usr/sbin/cfingerd
This is broken. You should never have anything commented out with #off#
unless the package in question is in an unconfingured state.
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On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 09:28:35PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 01:25:06PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote:
after uninstalling both fingerd and cfingerd my /etc/inetd.conf contains:
#:INFO: Info services
finger stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd
change for potato.
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(hopefully it already does so in the case where it does not exist) because
of ENODEV.
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