Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl writes:
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:59, Goswin von Brederlowgoswin-...@web.de wrote:
No, we freeze on time, we release when ready. Big difference.
and this means a shorter freeze period (as stated in the original
announce) because?
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Goswin von Brederlowgoswin-...@web.de wrote:
It was discussed at debconf. Lots of explanation given there seems to
have been left out of the announcement.
BOF? Talk? Where I can find explanation(s)?
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* Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org [2009-07-29 07:39]:
Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.
No see 4.1.3 of the constitution Make or override any decision
* Fred frederiqu...@gmail.com [2009-07-29 06:12]:
I'd love to see Debian comply to real GNU/FSF freedom. When I visit the
website it boasts about how it is free.
However, it is far from free while it is offering proprietary software as
well as having binary blobs in the kernel.
The kernel
Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org writes:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:59, Goswin von Brederlowgoswin-...@web.de wrote:
No, we freeze on time, we release when ready. Big difference.
and this means a shorter freeze period (as stated in the original
announce) because?
From what I understand because
Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org writes:
* Fred frederiqu...@gmail.com [2009-07-29 06:12]:
I'd love to see Debian comply to real GNU/FSF freedom. When I visit the
website it boasts about how it is free.
However, it is far from free while it is offering proprietary software as
well as
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:36, Goswin von Brederlowgoswin-...@web.de wrote:
Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org writes:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:59, Goswin von Brederlowgoswin-...@web.de wrote:
No, we freeze on time, we release when ready. Big difference.
and this means a shorter freeze period
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 03:08:02AM +0200, Meike Reichle wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
I find it deeply disturbing that DDs not attending Debconf learn about
this decision via
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:14, Martin Wuertelem...@debian.org wrote:
* Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org [2009-07-29 07:39]:
Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.
Hi,
On Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on
d-project, d-devel or d-vote.
I was
Holger Levsen wrote:
On Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on
d-project, d-devel or
Hi!
Ben Pfaff schrieb:
The URL in the announcement is 404. Possibly a prank.
Sorry, no prank just a delay since we missed the website rebuild and
where to lazy to wait four hours for the announcement to be send out
after the next website build.
Best regards,
Alexander
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Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on
d-project, d-devel or
Hi!
Steffen Moeller schrieb:
Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for the
announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
The text was coordinated within the entire press team, our release
masters, the head of the technical commitee and the
On Wed Jul 29 09:59, Sandro Tosi wrote:
of course, if we have to take formal steps for everything, we'll do a
predictability of time based releases with its well established policy of
feature based releases. The new freeze policy will provide better
predictability of releases for users
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:59:46AM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
1. what about the developers that couldn't come to DC? don't we
deserve to be asked for our opinion? are we of a lower class? is this
a decision only made by a team and then you want to us to pretend the
whole project decided it?
Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2009-07-29, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote:
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
Disappointing to see such an announcement
Am Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2009 schrieb Sune Vuorela:
On 2009-07-29, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote:
Good morning
[snip]
The timing:
If we are going to do a yearly release, we need to announce it to the
developers more than 5 months before freeze. Too many people have too
many plans.
We
Marc Haber mh+debian-proj...@zugschlus.de writes:
I find it deeply disturbing that DDs not attending Debconf learn about
this decision via debian-announce. I would have expected at the very
least to announce, if not discuss, on a developer list before.
Ditto. Conferences are a great way to
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Sandro Tosi wrote:
bullshit! we are trading quality for what?
Please don't be so aggressive and leave some time to RM to respond to your
comments before posting more mails
Or there's something else behind the curtains that it's not being said
(consciously), like
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not the
Release Team?
To be clear the Release Team cannot just decide what the release cycle
will be, though we proposed a plan in the team's keynote at DebConf and
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40:30 +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not
the Release Team?
Nobody proposed anything, you announced a decision to debian-announce.
Without, as far as I can tell, any prior discussion with the developers
(as had
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25:01AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Steffen Moeller schrieb:
Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for
the
announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
The text was coordinated within the
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:59:46AM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
of course, if we have to take formal steps for everything, we'll do a
GR. I hoped that in this project we can discuss ideas instead of
fight.
I think the way this decision was announced showed clearly that is was
not intended to have
On 2009-07-29, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote:
Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not the
Release Team?
What I have seen so far, both from the press announcement and from the
video, it is not a proposal. it is a decision.
To be clear the Release Team cannot
Sandro Tosi wrote:
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Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.
No, the Release Team proposed a plan. The project is
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40, Luk Claesl...@debian.org wrote:
Why doing a 12 months release to get into the new schedule instead of
just adopting a 24 months schedule based on the lenny release? [1]
The main reason is that the Release Team hopes to now have the momentum to
make a time based
Marc Haber mh+debian-proj...@zugschlus.de wrote:
I do sincerely hope that there will be a GR to overrule this decision.
Hoping doesn't make it happen. I'm upset by the horribly botched
process, but I'm not willing to reverse this decision for that alone.
I doubt I'm unusual in that, so anyone
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Luk Claesl...@debian.org wrote:
Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
Disappointing to see such an
Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on=20
I'm disappointed by the decision, the timing and the process.
I'm especially dissapointed about the we freeze after less than a year
of open unstable.
I agree. For myself it would mean i can stop nearly any project
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:22:48PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
Sandro Tosi wrote:
No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.
No, the Release Team proposed a plan. The project is free to accept or
refuse the plan. Of
On 2009-07-29, Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org wrote:
I'm considering how we can get this decision undone. Anyone up for
helping with that?
I object, but feel free to if you really must.
As I already said the Release Team *does* have the power to take such
decisions. If you go on with a GR
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40, Luk Claesl...@debian.org wrote:
Why doing a 12 months release to get into the new schedule instead of
just adopting a 24 months schedule based on the lenny release? [1]
The main reason is that the Release Team hopes to now have the
Luk Claes wrote:
The project is free to accept or
refuse the plan. Of course refusing the plan will have its consequences
within the Release Team as well as within the project.
and by announcing this plan that *bold* to the whole world, you also
made perfectly sure that it is as unconvenient
Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Please reconsider this and move the freeze a year later. A freeze this
december *does* block about aall interesting things that we would want
to happen in squeeze. Squeeze wouldnt be more than a lenny+0.8 release
then. And thats really nothing *I* would love to attach my
On Wed, 29 Jul 09 11:40, Luk Claes wrote:
Sune Vuorela wrote:
I guess you are talking about freezing this December and not in general?
Lets discuss the issues regarding KDE and see if we can come to a solution.
Good. So let me propose something.
Are you confident that KDE will be better at
Sandro Tosi wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:45, Sune Vuorelanos...@vuorela.dk wrote:
I'm considering how we can get this decision undone. Anyone up for
helping with that?
count me in.
me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the important
teams in Debian. If i'd
Hi,
* Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk [2009-07-29 12:07]:
On 2009-07-29, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote:
Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not the
Release Team?
What I have seen so far, both from the press announcement and from the
video, it is not a
Hello,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Nico Golden...@ngolde.de wrote:
The only thing that really bugs me a bit that the security
team hasn't been contacted about this beforehand as well and
as we need to support the releases this sucks a bit. But
well, let's see what happens and LART them
Hi!
Marc Haber schrieb:
Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for
the
announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
The text was coordinated within the entire press team, our release
masters, the head of the technical commitee and the
On Wed, July 29, 2009 14:24, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
If you don't like that, don't shoot the messenger, because they
might get sick of being shooten at at every occasion; thanks.
I think an important critic in this thread is the way the message was
brought: DD's like myself are
* Sune Vuorela (nos...@vuorela.dk) wrote:
I'm hoping that we can convince the release team to change their mind.
I doubt you can, and I hope you don't. It could have been announced
better, but in general I think it's a good thing for Debian. Please get
over how it was announced.
* Sandro Tosi (mo...@debian.org) wrote:
From what I understand because the long freeze period we had last time
is making problems all around for users (of unstable/testing) and
developers as well as the release itself.
This is a fact (lenny release was too long) but doesn't address how a
No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.
No, the Release Team proposed a plan. The project is free to accept or
refuse the plan. Of course refusing the plan will have its consequences
within the Release Team as
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:36:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
count me in.
me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the
important teams in Debian. If i'd have to come up with a GR it would
probably sound like While we appreciate the plan of fixed freeze cycles,
the
Hi!
Thijs Kinkhorst schrieb:
If you don't like that, don't shoot the messenger, because they
might get sick of being shooten at at every occasion; thanks.
I think an important critic in this thread is the way the message was
brought: DD's like myself are learning of this decision from a
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:36:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
count me in.
me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the
important teams in Debian. If i'd have to come up with a GR it would
probably sound like While we appreciate the plan of
Luk Claes wrote:
The main reason is that the Release Team hopes to now have the momentum
to make a time based freeze work. If we would delay, it will very
probably mean that many developers 'forget' about what the time based
freeze is about.
Is it so important this momentum? Is it grave, for
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 03:17:27PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
If you don't like that, don't shoot the messenger, because they
might get sick of being shooten at at every occasion; thanks.
I think an important critic in this thread is the way the message was
brought: DD's like
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:41:40PM +0530, Kartik Mistry wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Goswin von Brederlowgoswin-...@web.de
wrote:
It was discussed at debconf. Lots of explanation given there seems to
have been left out of the announcement.
BOF? Talk? Where I can find
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:21:09AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
The Release Team proposed a plan in the keynote at DebConf. There
were some important considerations, but in general the audience
welcomed the plan.
I am sorry Luk, but keeping in silent does not mean agreing with what has been
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:49:40AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
Do we as developers have other ways to say This is really bad, please
don't other than doing a GR.
Well, if you *really* want to do that, I've a technical device to
offer. In the past days, by coincidence, I've worked to setup a
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
Sune Vuorela wrote:
We also need to coordinate such things with the larger packaging teams
to see wether it fits their schedules and their upstream schedules. For
example from a KDE point of view, it is around teh worst time.
I
Hi!
Steve Langasek schrieb:
Please try to put yourself in our (the press teams) place:
* In the release teams keynote a major change is announced
* It is clear, that the topic will be picked up by journalists
I wonder why this is clear, exactly - I didn't notice journalists in
the room
Hi,
Agnieszka Czajkowska has presented this morning at DebConf a very nice
redesign proposal off the Debian logo and the Debian website. She has been
working on this all the last year as part of her master thesis in Design.
You can take a look at her presentation at:
[Luk Claes]
Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not
the Release Team?
So this is a proposal?
The Vancouver proposal should have taught us a lesson: when you
announce a big change, if you truly intend for it to be a proposal to
be discussed, you have to state this
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
I am fine with that, at least I think we should give a chance to this
method. They are some concerns about bad
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:51:22PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:
Agnieszka Czajkowska has presented this morning at DebConf a very nice
redesign proposal off the Debian logo and the Debian website. She has been
working on this all the last year as part of her master thesis in Design.
You can
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25:01AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Steffen Moeller schrieb:
Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for
the
announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
The text was coordinated within the entire
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Hi!
Steffen Moeller schrieb:
Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for
the
announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
The text was coordinated within the entire press team, our
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not
the Release Team?
A proposal would have been absolutely appropriate, with
discussions by various teams as to the best time to freeze.
To be clear the Release Team cannot just
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Nico Golde wrote:
Hi,
* Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk [2009-07-29 12:07]:
On 2009-07-29, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote:
Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not the
Release Team?
What I have seen so far, both from the press
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:36:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
count me in.
me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the
important teams in Debian. If i'd have to come up with a GR it would
probably sound like While we
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Patrick
Schoenfeldschoenf...@debian.org wrote:
Nice. Now we have two approaches on redesigning parts of Debian.
I do like the design as proposed by Kalle somewhat better.
I don't think the designs are mutually exclusive. The new logo and
the general style
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
The Debian project did empower the Release Team to manage our
releases. We did not tell them Manage the release by exactly following
whatever we did in the past. So they are entirely free to chose the way
a release is done.
§2.1. General
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sune Vuorela (nos...@vuorela.dk) wrote:
I'm hoping that we can convince the release team to change their mind.
I doubt you can, and I hope you don't. It could have been announced
better, but in general I think it's a good thing for Debian. Please
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
(Which is still an important and necessary process, even if some people
currently feel the release team is shoving this decision down their throats
- if there are problems with the proposed plan, we can only fix those and
make the next Debian
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:13:17PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:49:40AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
Do we as developers have other ways to say This is really bad, please
don't other than doing a GR.
Well, if you *really* want to do that, I've a technical
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:11:39PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
Sune Vuorela wrote:
We also need to coordinate such things with the larger packaging teams
to see wether it fits their schedules and their upstream schedules. For
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:38:45AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Well, yes and no. I think a freeze every two years is a good
idea. I just do not think that we should freeze in 5 months or so.
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:42:17PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
Ditto. Conferences are a great way to get a bunch of people together
and kick ideas around, but they are *not* the Annual General Meeting
of the project.
Issues this sweeping should only be decided via clear, open
discussion using
* Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org [2009-07-29 18:22]:
Please, everybody, stop this kind of you evil DebConf attendees have
decided for us all arguments. The time-based freeze has been
announced/proposed during a talk at DebConf; it was fresh news for the
attendees as it was fresh news for
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:23:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the
important teams in Debian. If i'd have to come up with a GR it would
probably sound like While we appreciate the plan of fixed freeze cycles,
the plan to
* Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org [090729 18:22]:
Please, everybody, stop this kind of you evil DebConf attendees have
decided for us all arguments. The time-based freeze has been
announced/proposed during a talk at DebConf; it was fresh news for the
attendees as it was fresh news for
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:32:03PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org [090729 18:22]:
Please, everybody, stop this kind of you evil DebConf attendees have
decided for us all arguments. The time-based freeze has been
announced/proposed during a talk at
Hello,
should we possibly think of alternatives to the current way to present
releases? I was
thinking about the possibility to adopt some principles from version management
that we
got accustomed to in programming ...
My hunch is that everyone has a few tools that he/she wants to work on in
ke, 2009-07-29 kello 12:46 -0300, Margarita Manterola kirjoitti:
Discussing about this on irc, some people seemed to agree with my view
that the female images are too sexual, and that the image of the
notebook on the pillow is disturbing.
I agree with Marga in that I don't think these images
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:12:48PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
I agree with Marga in that I don't think these images are appropriate
for marketing Debian. This doesn't detract at all their artistic and
other qualities, but I don't think we as a project should use sexuality,
eroticism, or nude
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Ana Guerreroa...@debian.org wrote:
What do you think? :D
I don't like much the illustration and prefer Kalle's design.
About the logo, I like current logo and don't see why we need a new one.
cheers,
Fathi
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Hi!
Fathi Boudra schrieb:
What do you think? :D
I don't like much the illustration and prefer Kalle's design.
About the logo, I like current logo and don't see why we need a new one.
I agree, especially about the logo. While our current logo is quite
well known and associated to us -- just
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:23:41PM +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
Nice. Now we have two approaches on redesigning parts of Debian.
I do like the design as proposed by Kalle somewhat better.
Cool, Care to give a link?
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:46:04PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote:
Discussing about this on irc, some people seemed to agree with my view
that the female images are too sexual, and that the image of the
notebook on the pillow is disturbing.
Some other people seemed to think that I was
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:50:41PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
team being the most important, IMHO), but I don't think there is a
historical precedence (or even clear desire) of the release team
contacting lots of teams beforehand on release timeline decisions.
For the record, mailKDE plans
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Michael Banckmba...@debian.org wrote:
Well, you have to draw the line somewhere - we skipped KDE4 with lenny
and will apparently skip GNOME3 with squeeze.
This way, we still continue to lose desktop users and the same apply
to stable/server users (Debian stable
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Bernhard R. Linkbrl...@debian.org wrote:
* Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org [090729 18:22]:
Please, everybody, stop this kind of you evil DebConf attendees have
decided for us all arguments. The time-based freeze has been
announced/proposed during a talk at
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:56:31PM +0200, Fathi Boudra wrote:
About the logo, I like current logo and don't see why we need a new one.
I do not buy the argument that several companies changed their logo.
These might have their reasons over a certain *timespan* and they
might have experts to
frederiqu...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd love to see Debian comply to real GNU/FSF freedom. When I visit the
This will never happen, since Debian and the FSF have different ideas
about what is free.
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Otavio, let me make it clear for all readers that you're talking on
behalf of debian installer team.
I'm sure d-i team is very important to RM team. Communication is far
from being a strong quality of this project, with that in mind could
you please try to dissociate a little from the whole thing
On 2009-07-29 10:11 (-0500), Peter Samuelson wrote:
I believe freezing four months before an Ubuntu LTS release would not
benefit Debian at all. Freezing _after_ an LTS release, or at least
after an LTS freeze, would help Debian quite a lot more.
I believe the same. Mark Shuttleworth said
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu writes:
I do not think that we could risk as a small non-commercial
project (compared to the given examples) that our logo we advertised
for a not so long timespan becomes outdated and our users might
become unhappy about outdated T-Shirts etc.
Gives one a good
Le Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 03:08:02AM +0200, Meike Reichle a écrit :
the Debian project commits to provide the possibility to
skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade straight from Debian
GNU/Linux 5.0 (Lenny) to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (not yet codenamed).
Dear release team,
I would like
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:46:04PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote:
Discussing about this on irc, some people seemed to agree with my view
that the female images are too sexual, and that the image of the
notebook on the pillow is disturbing.
I disagree. The images for the males are just as
Hello Gustavo,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Gustavo Francostra...@debian.org wrote:
Hi Otavio,
Thanks for the heads up. In other words, it seems you're fine with the
overall idea but is skeptical about the timing, right?
I hope that this big mess will turns to be a way to people to
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