libgeoip1: Debian turning into an advertising crap?

2009-08-08 Thread Frank Bauer
Hi, today I have been lingering in the realms of /etc examining the files breaking the tradition of using small letters in filenames (ConsoleKit, GeoIP.conf.default, NetworkManager, etc.). This advertisement is contained in the GeoIP.conf.default file (package libgeoip1): # If you purchase

Re: Opera in your repos

2009-08-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Matthew Johnson | We would need a licence which allowed it to be redistributed by Debian | and used by all of our users. The reference for this is Debian Policy | 2.2.3 and 2.3: We need the redistribution bit, I don't think we need it to be allowed to be used by all users. Non-commercial is

Re: libgeoip1: Debian turning into an advertising crap?

2009-08-08 Thread Ben Finney
Frank Bauer frank.c.ba...@gmail.com writes: This advertisement is contained in the GeoIP.conf.default file (package libgeoip1): # If you purchase a subscription to the GeoIP database, # then you will obtain a license key which you can # use to automatically obtain updates.

Referring to product's web site in description?

2009-08-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
Hi all, I'm packaging yubikey-personalization, a tool used to set the crypto keys for Yubikeys, which are OTP hardware tokens. The tool is useless without a token, so I'm wondering if I should put a reference into the description for where people can read more about the tokens and possibly

Re: libgeoip1: Debian turning into an advertising crap?

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick Matthäi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Bauer schrieb: Hi, today I have been lingering in the realms of /etc examining the files breaking the tradition of using small letters in filenames (ConsoleKit, GeoIP.conf.default, NetworkManager, etc.). This advertisement is contained

Re: Referring to product's web site in description?

2009-08-08 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Samstag, 8. August 2009, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Does people think that would be too much? I'm divided on the issue -- on one hand, I don't want Debian to end up plastered with ads, on the other hand, the tool is not useful without a token, so pointing people to where they can get one

Re: Referring to product's web site in description?

2009-08-08 Thread Ben Finney
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: I'm packaging yubikey-personalization, a tool used to set the crypto keys for Yubikeys, which are OTP hardware tokens. The tool is useless without a token, so I'm wondering if I should put a reference into the description for where people can read more

Re: Referring to product's web site in description?

2009-08-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ben Finney | I think that's a job, not for the Debian package information, but for | the project's home page. The package description should give enough | information for the reader to understand whether they want the package | on their system. Noted. (As I'm divided on whether to add the

Re: Debian on Atom 330 Question

2009-08-08 Thread Floris Bruynooghe
On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 03:03:40AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Rein Tendonsie tendon...@tendonsie.be writes: Beste,     Momenteel heb ik een dedicated server genomen ergens en men zegt er dat ze geen Debian willen instaleren omdat deze niet zou werken omwillen van de

Re: Opera in your repos

2009-08-08 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Matthew Johnson | We would need a licence which allowed it to be redistributed by Debian | and used by all of our users. The reference for this is Debian Policy | 2.2.3 and 2.3: We need the redistribution bit, I don't think we need it to be

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Michael Banck wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:55:36AM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:38:56 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: How does Ubuntu want to do a proper (commercial) support for their packages if they don't even have the time/manpower to take care of their

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Sandro Tosi wrote: what can happen is that he prepare a rough solution, sent to debian in a sense hey, take it, I've done my work, it's an ugly hack but I have no time to prepare an elegant solution; Now I got to go, I have another 1000 things to do. I'm not sure it will happen, but I fear it

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Luk Claes
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Sandro Tosi wrote: what can happen is that he prepare a rough solution, sent to debian in a sense hey, take it, I've done my work, it's an ugly hack but I have no time to prepare an elegant solution; Now I got to go, I have another 1000 things to do. I'm not sure it

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-08-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 09:34:39PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 20:07, Patrick Schoenfeldschoenf...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 06:40:06PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: THEY STEAL our packages Uarg. That sentence let me discard everything

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Luk Claes wrote: Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Sandro Tosi wrote: what can happen is that he prepare a rough solution, sent to debian in a sense hey, take it, I've done my work, it's an ugly hack but I have no time to prepare an elegant solution; Now I got to go, I have another 1000 things to do.

The Python mess in Debian (was: Re: On cadence and collaboration)

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
To come back to Debian Luk Claes wrote: Hmm, AFAICT python2.6 did not really happen in Debian yet because Mathias is trying to not continue with the existing hacks that have major issues when upgrading and wants to have a clean solution. The only hack is the broken piece of python-central

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Luk Claes
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: To come back to Debian Luk Claes wrote: Hmm, AFAICT python2.6 did not really happen in Debian yet because Mathias is trying to not continue with the existing hacks that have major issues when upgrading and wants to have a clean solution. The only hack is the

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 08 août 2009 à 16:14 +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : AFAICT, the real problem is that after unpack many python modules do not work as they use symlink hackery in the postinst. This hasn’t been an issue in real-world cases for quite some time (python-support 0.8, and an even older version

Re: The Python mess in Debian (was: Re: On cadence and collaboration)

2009-08-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-08-08, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote: Wrong. Several people tried to contact Matthias on various ways and never got a reply. He also completely failed to communicate with those people who maintain most Python related packages on Debian, except during Debconf. This is *NOT* the

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Luk Claes wrote: AFAIK python-central does have the necessary tools to clean up. As soon as you use the 'nomove' option it fails to do so properly. Unfortunately a lot of packages were introduced with this option. AFAICS that was already communicated in February [0] and was only really

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-08-08, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote: AFAICT, the real problem is that after unpack many python modules do not work as they use symlink hackery in the postinst. What do you mean exactly? Could you point me to an example? The only problem I see is that it starts to become

Re: libgeoip1: Debian turning into an advertising crap?

2009-08-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Frank Bauer dijo [Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 07:49:14AM +0200]: Hi, today I have been lingering in the realms of /etc examining the files breaking the tradition of using small letters in filenames (ConsoleKit, GeoIP.conf.default, NetworkManager, etc.). This advertisement is contained in the

Re: Referring to product's web site in description?

2009-08-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Tollef Fog Heen dijo [Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 08:37:38AM +0200]: I'm packaging yubikey-personalization, a tool used to set the crypto keys for Yubikeys, which are OTP hardware tokens. The tool is useless without a token, so I'm wondering if I should put a reference into the description for where

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-08-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Mark Shuttleworth dijo [Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:37:04AM +0100]: (...) It would be substantially easier to collaborate on RC (and non-RC) bug fixes where the base versions of major components were the same. Umm... Real, hard RC bugs will be present on more than one release of the same upstream

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Philipp Kern wrote: I think there were at least two things (I think not check them, but from memory what Matthias told me): * python-support breaks upstream assumptions about relative imports. * python-support does not always have stable symlink handling, i.e. they should maybe be

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 08 août 2009 à 15:45 +, Philipp Kern a écrit : And no, it's not the missing byte-compilation that triggers the failure but the missing symlink farm that's usually processed by a trigger at the end of the installation run. The symlink farm is created in the postinst of each

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes: As long as it is (partly?) based on the fact that bugs will be fixed by Debian for free so Ubuntu can just reuse the bugfixes and get the money for them, I think it should be discussed. People keep saying things like this, but no one I know who's running