I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
responsible would use to guide their actions.
That document should:
* Give some examples of
On Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:29:36 Ian Jackson wrote:
I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
responsible would use to guide
* Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com, 2014-09-03, 07:59:
We could have an on stage censor with a switch for the microphone.
And broadcast delay.
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[Scott Kitterman, 2014-09-03]
On Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:29:36 Ian Jackson wrote:
I'm sure that we can borrow some wording from other organisations. I
would suggest investigating SF conventions, and social justice
organisations and feminist sources, to see what they have to offer.
On 9/3/14, Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org wrote:
* Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com, 2014-09-03, 07:59:
We could have an on stage censor with a switch for the microphone.
And broadcast delay.
Better still, a button on everyone's seat in the audience,
so everyone can play censor - that would
Piotr Ożarowski writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process):
yeah, lets do censorship. I lived in a country with censorship¹, we
didn't have people swearing and nobody dared to say something which is
not politically correct, at least in public. Grat times!
Is it `censorship' that
- Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
Or perhaps a +1/-1 button, and it acts as a voting process,
whilst the +1s are winning the microphone stays on :)
+1!
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On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
[Scott Kitterman, 2014-09-03]
We could have an on stage censor with a switch for the microphone.
I am disappointed; the response could have been so much more
cpnstructive.
yeah, lets do censorship. I lived in a country with censorship¹,
On September 3, 2014 10:23:14 AM EDT, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Piotr Ożarowski writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling
process):
yeah, lets do censorship. I lived in a country with censorship¹, we
didn't have people swearing and nobody dared to say something
[Manoj Srivastava, 2014-09-03]
Is your position then that condes of conduct and enforcing
harassment policies are a form of censorship? (I am congnizent that you
no, if I'd think that, I'd retire already, no?
and more seriously, the day Debian will do censorship is the day I
On September 3, 2014 11:17:41 AM EDT, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
[Scott Kitterman, 2014-09-03]
We could have an on stage censor with a switch for the microphone.
I am disappointed; the response could have been so much more
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
[Manoj Srivastava, 2014-09-03]
Is your position then that condes of conduct and enforcing
harassment policies are a form of censorship? (I am congnizent that you
no, if I'd think that, I'd retire already, no?
I am glad to hear
On September 3, 2014 12:47:08 PM EDT, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
[Manoj Srivastava, 2014-09-03]
Is your position then that condes of conduct and enforcing
harassment policies are a form of censorship? (I am congnizent that
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Scott Kitterman wrote:
As far as I can tell, he spoke the truth as he knows it. I have no
idea if he's right or wrong, but he was stating his perspective and we
ought to be open to that.
While he could have phrased it better, I don't think the CoC protects
people from
On September 3, 2014 12:52:44 PM EDT, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Scott Kitterman wrote:
As far as I can tell, he spoke the truth as he knows it. I have no
idea if he's right or wrong, but he was stating his perspective and
we
ought to be open to that.
Scott Kitterman skl...@kitterman.com writes:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
How do you suppose we keep the atmosphere from devolving back to
the poisonous flame-fest days, and enforce various codes of conduct
policies? I have seen far too many tech conferences without
Piotr Ożarowski writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process):
Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
things that I don't agree with. I like our current CoC and I don't
want to change it.
Neil Gaiman writes:
I was reading a book (about interjections,
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process):
What case? Ian raised a bunch of general questions about how we plan on
enforcing our CoC, with no reference to any specific incident. You seem
to be convinced that this is about some specific incident and, further,
about
[Ian Jackson, 2014-09-03]
Piotr Ożarowski writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process):
Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
things that I don't agree with. I like our current CoC and I don't
want to change it.
Neil Gaiman writes:
[...]
that's
Piotr Ożarowski pi...@debian.org writes:
[Ian Jackson, 2014-09-03]
Piotr Ożarowski writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process):
Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
things that I don't agree with. I like our current CoC and I don't
want to change it.
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy with
them feel offended, I find it somewhat disappointing that we care so
little about people being offensive, given the progress we have made.
This thread
On 09/03/2014 07:21 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Scott Kitterman skl...@kitterman.com writes:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
How do you suppose we keep the atmosphere from devolving back to
the poisonous flame-fest days, and enforce various codes of conduct
policies? I have
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
responsible would use to guide
On 9/4/14, Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com wrote:
On September 3, 2014 10:23:14 AM EDT, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Piotr Ożarowski writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling
process):
yeah, lets do censorship. I lived in a country with censorship¹, we
didn't
On 9/4/14, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Piotr Ożarowski writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process):
Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
things that I don't agree with. I like our current CoC and I don't
want to change it.
Neil
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
The stated purpose of the CoC is to ensure that our conference is a safe
space for all members of the Debian community. In what way would a change
in approach to dealing with a violation after the fact, where the offender
is no longer at the
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy with
them feel offended, I find it somewhat disappointing that we care so
little about people being offensive,
On 9/4/14, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process):
What case? Ian raised a bunch of general questions about how we plan on
enforcing our CoC, with no reference to any specific incident. You seem
to be convinced
On 9/4/14, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 9/4/14, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process):
What case? Ian raised a bunch of general questions about how we plan on
enforcing our CoC, with no reference
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
responsible would use to guide
On 9/4/14, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Piotr Ożarowski pi...@debian.org writes:
[Ian Jackson, 2014-09-03]
Piotr Ożarowski writes (Re: Code of Conduct violations handling
process):
Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
things that I don't agree with. I
On 9/4/14, Patty Langasek harmo...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
and Debian teams should develop a process
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes:
On 09/03/2014 07:21 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
What case? Ian raised a bunch of general questions about how we plan
on enforcing our CoC, with no reference to any specific incident. You
seem to be convinced that this is about some specific incident and,
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net writes:
More facts trickle out. Thank you for stepping up to the plate.
Any chance someone could crush an egg shell already and just post a link
to the brouhaha? Or summarise the events?
Are we that timid, that dominated by the almighty COC, that facts are
On 9/4/14, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net writes:
More facts trickle out. Thank you for stepping up to the plate.
Any chance someone could crush an egg shell already and just post a link
to the brouhaha? Or summarise the events?
Are we that timid,
On 2014-09-04 01:34, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy with
them feel offended, I find it somewhat disappointing that we
On September 3, 2014 7:34:10 PM EDT, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy
with
them feel offended, I find
also sprach Patty Langasek harmo...@debian.org [2014-09-03 16:57 -0700]:
The way this particular Code of Conduct Violation Complaint was
handled was entirely my fault.
I don't think there is any point in thinking about fault here. Go
ahead and disagree with me, but the more important thing for
On Thu, Sep 04 2014, Christian Kastner wrote:
On 2014-09-04 01:34, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy with
them feel
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