Re: Brief update about software freedom and artificial intelligence

2023-02-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Sam Hartman writes: > Russ, I'm sure you are aware, but things get very interesting if the > input to AI training is not fair use. > In particular, if Github copilot is a derivative work of everything fed > to it (including all the copylefted works), that gets kind of awkward > for Microsoft.

Re: Brief update about software freedom and artificial intelligence

2023-02-24 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: Russ> To add to this, I'm fairly sure that the companies that are Russ> training AI models on, say, every piece of text they can find Russ> on the Internet, or all public GitHub repositories, are going Russ> to explicitly argue that doing so

Re: Brief update about software freedom and artificial intelligence

2023-02-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Gerardo Ballabio writes: > As I understand, that is an open legal question. The Affero GPL would be > such a license *if* the training dataset would be considered part of the > code. While that does seem to make sense, as AI code is essentially > non-functional without the training, I am not

Re: Brief update about software freedom and artificial intelligence

2023-02-24 Thread Roberto A. Foglietta
On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 10:27, Gerardo Ballabio wrote: > > If I am not mistaken, the GPLv3 was developed to clarify some > ambiguous language in the GPLv2, mostly with respect to patents. It > doesn't address SaaS -- you are still free to modify the code and keep > your modifications private, even

Re: Brief update about software freedom and artificial intelligence

2023-02-24 Thread Gerardo Ballabio
Roberto A. Foglietta wrote: > cloud technologies posed a challenge to the GPLv2 because under that license everyone has the right to change the code but do not share it as long as s/he uses it internally which is exactly how the SaaS works. To fulfil this lack of freedom, the GPLv3 was proposed.

Re: Brief update about software freedom and artificial intelligence

2023-02-24 Thread Roberto A. Foglietta
On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 08:06, Roberto A. Foglietta wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 05:23, Charles Plessy wrote: > > One more thing about this: > - Joe tests the NN with the 10+1 images of TS and decides if the NN is > fine or not. If he decides that it is fine and it can go into >

Re: Brief update about software freedom and artificial intelligence

2023-02-24 Thread Roberto A. Foglietta
On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 05:23, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Dear Mo, > > thank you for the heads-up. > > I was using permissive licenses in the past thinking about making life > easier to individuals, but I feel robbed by massive scrapping to train > AI models. > > Just in case I updated my email