ee as a recurring pattern in
the way you participate in Debian interactions.
Is this something you'd acknowledge and would be willing to work on?
Enrico
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not require traveling and meeting face
to face?
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ne,
and some messages make me furious. Socially we might able to express
that in a way that feeds into the quality and direction of discussions,
but technically, we currently cannot.
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l stop managing it.
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review" like the one I just had, on a list. Discourse
seems like it might be a venue for peer review that wouldn't make me
feel like leaving the project after a couple of days of interaction.
Enrico
[0] https://dep-team.pages.debian.net/deps/dep0/
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[1] https://salsa.debian.org/bisco-guest/nacho
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y or
> the other.
The official membership status synced from nm.debian.org can, with some
work, be made visible in the user's page.
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 09:40:45AM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> If you or someone else eventually will manage to introduce a Single Sign
> On system that would take us to a next step of being able to advocate
> developers, take packaging actions, update the ssh key you use to access
>
to do here. We're not there now, and it's
not going to change with introducing Salsa as an OIDC provider.
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actical
reason why you seem want me to stop with that?
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use) account names arbitrarily without providing explanations
even when we ask, and we suck it up and deal with it. This is not
something we outside DSA can change, and it's not something I expect
will change.
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On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 04:06:25PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote:
> Another view point: I don't think that one's username should change as
> one's role(s) with the organization changes. If we could avoid that...
Agreed!
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r any of that, though, while I find myself
starting responding to users' requests for help by apologising for the
state things are.
Enrico
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responding one in LDAP, see
20200408130828.izn7jdyufch7k...@enricozini.org
Enrico
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moved to Salsa as an OIDC
provider, and rather that the next step that is proposed wouldn't be
bringing enough compelling advantages to the problem at hand.
Enrico
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ble information to
the user's page, synced from nm.debian.org, about their official
membership status: we can totally have that.
Enrico
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a person
permission based on their status, which is somehow revoked or blocked if
the status goes away" becomes something we might not be able to do.
In my opinion this change, rather than opening a new problem, fixes an
old, nasty one instead.
Enrico
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m not aware of, then I'm fine with it.
I checked with waldi, and with some extra work it is possible to add
some visible information to the user's page, synced from nm.debian.org,
about their official membership status.
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nergy in solving problems that we
really have, though, so I'm curious: do you have specific reasons in
mind for asking to preserve the "-guest" enforcement on Salsa?
Enrico
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posing
would make it more broken, or would prevent further opportunities for
moving on.
If no serious blockers show up, in a few days I would start to go ahead.
Enrico
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spects of the signup
> email, welcoming the applicant with pointers to documentation,
> suggestions of ideas on how to help, mailing lists to join and so on.
I defer to Salsa people for this part.
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; it
> is that alioth's DB is now a flat-file managed by hand, it provides a very
> simple and easy way to import all of that data.
Gitlab does indeed provide user exports: some more details are in the
"Exit strategy" part of the proposal Waldi posted.
Enrico
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ill don't see how the Salsa proposal makes adoption of a new system
harder than what we have now: removing one user database and introducing
a mapping between the remaining two, seem to me to make further
adoptions actually easier.
Enrico
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stem, or migrating to
> > it?
>
> No, just to migrate accounts
Could you give some more detail of what you mean?
Enrico
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quo.
As a side effect of an interim on Salsa, services can begin to migrate
from client certificates to OIDC, switching to a mode widely used,
usable, and flexible standard, which I wouldn't be surprised if it would
make things easier when moving to something else later on.
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s there something in the proposed Salsa plan that somehow
blocks experimenting with, introducing, or migrating to Keycloak in the
future?
Enrico
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long-term,
blocked by something that risks getting us stuck with sso.d.o for
another bunch of years until we get it right, and possibly ending up
being maintained long term by a team with a dwindling bandwidth and bus
factor.
Enrico
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nd eventually can
help to shape it.
I don't mean for this to be specific to the FTP team. I guess this
thread gave me an opportunity to voice my more general thoughts.
Enrico
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r DebConf, for which I'm grateful, but still
fails to officially support Debian on it :-/
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uldn't be public, to avoid applicants to
build an expectations of a bare minimum work required and then get angry
at the AM if the AM feels like asking more than that, but it could be,
for example, a monthly post to the am@ alias.
Enrico
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ing "you didn't need to do this" feels to me like
arbitrarily undervaluing someone's work, and maybe the person really
found it important to do it.
I would be very much interested in reasoning about this.
Enrico
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can feel
included and accepted, is nominally the responsibility of everyone in
the community. In practice, however, it is *primarily* the
responsibility of the people who are *in a position of privilege and
power* within that community.
Enrico
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o on without
even a significant break of the flow.
Enrico
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om
what was suggested.
We might of course find it helpful or important, depending on cases, to
reach out to the reporter(s) or other people involved to discuss
possible course of actions.
Enrico
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On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 01:40:34PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> Posting draft team missions where one has to read between the lines
> about possible institutional conflicts and other unsaid issues, is
> emphatically /NOT/ a way to build trust within the project.
To make it clear
he lines in a discussion like this one. Not when power is involved. Not
when trust is involved.
Enrico
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that the name does sound
ambitious, and as a consequence I'd expect you all to be extremely
careful in all team descriptions and team actions to make it clear that
you are /a/ community team, not /the/ community team.
Enrico
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load that I make I need to
plan some nontrivial yak shaving time to figure out which of my
assumptions have become invalid since the last one
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alking and harassing them.
Enrico
[1]
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-being-obsessed-with-someone-and-being-in-love-with-them
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unpleasant.
[5] There would be the team mailing list or IRC channel, but sometimes
one could use some confidentiality.
[6] *sends a mail*
"Failure to assume good faith!"
*takes one penalty card*
[7] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
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Joerg, Jonny,
Christmas was so much fun, lets do it all again
Hang some developers over the side of the ship for a good shakedown
and make them give us all their Easter eggs
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overlapping time frames now.
Enrico who unfortunately cannot run this kind of procedure through
valgrind --tool=helgrind
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D
starting the later appeal is delayed until after the committee has
finished voting on the previous ones.
Enrico
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give for granted that everyone
understands that using slurs counts as insulting.
Enrico
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remain anonymous. Please let me know who initiated this
> procedure.
I hope this helps make sense of our decision.
Enrico
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e considered as not
being a part of our users. Is that a common understanding?
Enrico
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ecause they expire or because they are not
replaced when needed, move to "removed" status after a while.
Enrico
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re about each and every single release of GNU R
libraries or of Gammu, or about the lists of last month's Free Software
activities of a self-selected group of people. But then I avidly read
nageru's news and intricate development details even though I know I'll
never use it myself. Le cœur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît
point.
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e example)
- Create the model and CRUD pages for the extra info you want to
maintain about developers, with ForeignKey to
django.contrib.auth.get_user_model()
- Export your data with django-rest-framework
Enrico
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mentaryGid is a multi-value field.)
>
> Comments/suggestions/concerns?
As far as I'm concerned, go for it. I do check gidNumber on
nm.debian.org in a couple of places, and I'll happily fix it.
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has, so I need to work out that split from full names in key
UIDs, among other things, which is nontrivial:
http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
Enrico
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see it: reduce the need for
manual intervention as much as possible, so that routine takes care of
itself, and manual intervention is only needed for corner cases, which
are hopefully few and far apart in time.
Enrico
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and distribution workflows, with d-i images, live images,
preinstalled tarballs, docker contains or what have you.
And then it gets deployed and it's a standard Debian, well known, with
clean upgrade paths and security support.
Enrico
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there are
sitting there doing nothing. I like that Jonathan's mail was worded as
an invitation to offer help.
Enrico
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On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 08:12:49AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Providing a rough estimate should not be a problem, given it is already
required to get pre-approval.
If it's already required to get pre-approval, why ask to send it again?
Enrico
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, would instead default to the
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Enrico either way, I use lxde :P
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Ciao,
Enrico
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-announce.
Ciao,
Enrico
[1] https://contributors.debian.org/sources/
[2] Especially helpful and polite direct contact, rather than direct
contact to the head with a knobby stick :)
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of contributors.debian.org. I don't see
anything technically difficult here.
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After another month or two, we can start taking keys off the keyring,
starting from the less active people, and announcing each batch of
removed keys to d-d-a.
Ciao,
Enrico
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On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:20:02AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
Some more changes are needed for sso.debian.org; as a consequence we
expect logged-in access not to work from sometimes tonight (UTC) until
late afternoon tomorrow (UTC).
Today things did not happen as we planned yesterday.
I have
I know, is that contributors tend to be already
subscribed without needing to be explicitly told.
Ciao,
Enrico
[1]
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/nm/trunk/nm-templates/nm_pp2.txt?view=markup
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to address the
political side of the matter, is to add to our technical decision a list
of things that we wish our upstreams would do to make all our lives
easier in the future.
Ciao,
Enrico
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We are a distribution, and already we do very good integration work.
Ciao,
Enrico
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of
potential harassment here. I would assume that Google is an entity
we can talk with, with a reasonable hope of success.
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[2] and a procmail filter handling mail with such a signature appropriately
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[1] http://www.debian.org/devel/dmup
Ciao,
Enrico
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on the occasional bad day,
and often all that is required to recover is a friend who kindly gives
the right feedback.
Ciao,
Enrico
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the
backlog, and I've just uploaded the reviewed tag data, well in time for
Wheezy.
I know some people were frustrated by the lack of migration of tags from
debtags.debian.net to the archive. The situation has now greatly
improved \o/
Ciao,
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independently of functional changes in the packages.
Ciao,
Enrico
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search
indexing, date+time the package has first entered the archive, and/or
the release; datetime that version of the package has been
built/uploaded.
Ciao,
Enrico
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the data?
Ciao,
Enrico
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On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 05:13:10PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Enrico Zini wrote:
Recklessly exposing too much information outside the context in which it
was published can in some cases turn people away from contributing. If
[...]
Couldn't most
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 02:33:55PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
In terms of implementation, I see an overlap with nm.debian.org,
portfolio.debian.net and db.debian.org.
...and the Debian Maintainer Dashboard (http://udd.debian.org/dmd.cgi),
thanks today's Misc Developer News.
Ciao,
Enrico
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to http://wiki.debian.org/ContributorsInformationSources mostly as
stubs. Could you please have a go at the details?
Ciao,
Enrico
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working on taking it to Debian.
Ciao,
Enrico
[1] http://www.enricozini.org/2012/debian/more-diversity-in-skills/
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taken seriously by people in my professional
circle, I would probably have to consider going through the extra
trouble of not using my real identity while contributing to Free
Software. We do not want that.
Ciao,
Enrico
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search results to also show
up under that nickname.
Did I miss anything in this review? Is everything represented correctly?
Ciao,
Enrico
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for our project is technical in nature,
we value and encourage contributions from those with
expertise in other areas, and welcome them in our community.
Ciao,
Enrico
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to offer, and that list does the job.
I fully agree with Russ at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2012/03/msg00054.html
and I wonder if it's just enough to replace technical ability with
skillset, and field of expertise.
Ciao,
Enrico
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be sort of nice to
merge the two things.
Could it be something we can automate once we work on the new nm website
at debconf?
Ciao,
Enrico
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things like ratings, comments, tag clouds and whatnot, you can go back
to my messages in this thread and know where to start :)
Ciao,
Enrico
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a development effort that is likely to be shared with other
groups and built upon.
Ciao,
Enrico
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On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 01:13:45PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
Am 16.09.2010 09:40, schrieb Enrico Zini:
I'd love it to see it eventually go a step up, like having some review
process by people with especially strong experience, and having them
published by an own blog (à-la debian
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