Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Of course, many upstreams will not accept this, as it breaks their
workflow and might just feel outside influence from people they don't
care too much about (and I'm not meaning the Linux desktops, as they
obviously care about Linux distributions, but mainly OS-agnostic
Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org (05/08/2009):
Like some people said during Debconf: freezing in December doesn't
necessarily mean freezing the first day or even the first week of
December; the 31 is still December, which means there are 30 days to
decide many
Julien BLACHE wrote:
[Cc:ed as I don't know whether you're subscribed to -project]
I am subscribed, yes, but thanks for the cc.
From the very start of the Debian Project, Debian has been different
from everything else: different package management tools, different
philosophy, different
Julien BLACHE wrote:
Debian stands out in many respects, yes. But being different for the
sake of it isn't a laudable goal: if there's a good idea, it deserves to
be considered, even if others are already considering it.
Being different and independent actually enables us to be better
Hi Marc
Marc Haber wrote:
this is kind of a personal reply; I am therefore writing this to you
directly and only Cc'ing debian-project, and I do not know whether you
read that mailing list.
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:21:38AM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
I've stayed quiet
Werner Baumann wrote:
The two models as I can see them from the discussion so far:
Model 1:
Debian freezes in December
Debian developers concentrate on fixing RC bugs
Ubuntu developers concentrate on including newer versions of major
software packages
When the number of RC bugs in Debian
Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:29:11AM +0100, Steve Langasek wrote:
I'm sorry that you have a negative impression of Ubuntu's relationship
with Debian, but there's plenty of data available that contradicts
your conclusion (including BTS reports that have been posted to
Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I also think that we should be looking at when we freeze not
merely at when a derived distro freezes, but when major system
components release, and when top level sister distributions freeze
(we'll get far more benefit for Debian
Hi Marga
Margarita Manterola wrote:
If Debian commits to a December freeze, would that mean that Ubuntu
commits to releasing 10.04 with KDE 4.3 (already released) and GNOME
2.28 (to be released in a few months), instead of KDE 4.4 (to be
released in January) and GNOME 2.30 (to be released in
Julien BLACHE wrote:
You are on a fight against proprietary software (you made that clear
through your wording in your first mail). One of the issues with
proprietary platforms is that everyone running a given platform runs
the same security holes.
Now, that obviously applies equally if
Marc Haber wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 09:32:36PM +0200, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
In other words: freeze on december the first doesn't mean that if, say,
Gnome
will publish it's new shiny 1.2 version by december the 15, the last beta
should have to be included, but that the
Marc Haber wrote:
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 08:44:29PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
My expectation is that Debian will want to have more flexibility in how
long the release is baked than Ubuntu would normally give itself. My
hope is that we can agree on a GNOME and KDE version
Noah Meyerhans wrote:
I think it's reasonable to believe it would be easier to get [upstream]
attention about a version that *many* distributions adopted.
Additionally, even if upstream isn't willing to provide any help to
distros shipping what they consider to be a stale version, the
Jan Hauke Rahm wrote:
I understand you've been talking to other distributions as well about
syncing releases (or freezes) in order to ship same versions of major
system components. Now, much of the discussion here is about the actual
dates, i.e. the possible freeze in a few month as well as
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