Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

le; that nobody cares enough to stop it. [1]: https://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html -- Martina Ferrari (Tina)

Re: Draft Delegation for the Community Team

Hi Sledge, On 14/04/2020 16:03, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I hope you're keeping well in these difficult times... *hugs* I am doing fine, thanks. I wish the same for you and your family! >> It seems to me that this delegation text does not improve the >> situation of the Community Team compared

Re: Draft Delegation for the Community Team

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/04/2020 22:40, Sam Hartman wrote:> I'm pleased to finally be able to propose a Community Team delegation > for discussion. During the last year it has become clear that we > can accomplish more at lower emotional cost when we have the >

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

u've done was another "error", or just part of the character attack you were engaging in. Maybe we will never know, but as the saying goes: if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.. -- Martina Ferrari (Tina)

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

Hi Gagz, On 21 December 2019 16:41:03 GMT-03:00, gagz wrote: >I am myself a transwomen, and reading tina's post made me angry and sad >at the debian community. It also revived my never ending hopeless wish >to see things change. Tina you have my full (but sadly pretty much >useless) support.

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

uncing hate speech wherever it appears, in the strongest terms. Sometimes that means calling people names or being aggressive, risking a mailing list ban, a punch in the street, losing friends. That is what I've meant. -- Martina Ferrari (Tina)

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

(which I actually find fascinating), but turning this thread into a gentle discussion of grammar feels pretty insulting, and like the pinnacle of privilege. On 20/12/2019 01:35, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Martina Ferrari wrote: >> A judge in the UK had something to say i

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

ent that led to Norbert Preining's >temporary suspension from Debian started with him using "the wrong >pronoun" in a blog post!) > >And while Debian isn't a government, neither it is an island somewhere >out of the "real world". So we can't pretend that we can leave that >out. > >Gerardo -- Martina Ferrari (Tina/mobile)

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

he other trans and nonbinary folk in Debian must feel very welcome around you. At least you are being open about it. -- Martina Ferrari (Tina)

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

sons writing them, have no > place in Debian, either. I don't want to be in the same place as transphobes, that's for sure. -- Martina Ferrari (Tina)

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

people defending similar kinds of world views. > Anyway, thank you for clarifying that using people's preferred > pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them, > neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that. > Maybe it would be useful to make

Re: Community Team - where we want to go

Wouter, A short reply in a personal capacity.. On 08/11/2019 19:28, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > While I'm not arguing that we should take punitive action against > everyone who violates our current Code of Conduct in the "almost bad" > sense, there is a reason why it mentions "repeat offenders"; >

Re: Community Team - where we want to go

Hi, Responding here on individual capacity, and my team mates will surely have different views on some items. I will try to address some of the comments and criticisms of our proposal at once. First of all, I think that we did not make it clear enough that this is "where we want to go", as the

Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey

part of the team back then), the team only involvement was giving support to the people raising the complaint to DAM. -- Martina Ferrari (Tina, the artist formerly known as Tincho)

Re: Cultural differences and how to handle them

scussion. It is not possible to talk about inclusion completely in the abstract, as each marginalised group has very different problems and needs. I think you can contribute to the debate sharing how this impacts you personally. -- Martina Ferrari (Tina, the artist formerly known as Tincho)

Re: Cultural differences and how to handle them

in many cases, it does seem to be the case that you are using non-blind CCs to AH as a way to put extra pressure on people you disagree with. Please, don't do that unless absolutely necessary, you can always BCC. -- Martina Ferrari (Tina, the artist formerly known as Tincho)

Re: Cultural differences and how to handle them

lar, the conversation in general has been deteriorating, and I think everyone would do well in trying to listen to the "other" side, and disagree respectfully. In many cases, acknowledging that positions are irreconcilable and stopping the debate can be a good outcome too. -- Martina Ferrari (

Re: Debian supports pridemonth?

n: that "The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone" not for any particular practical gain, but because we want to embrace our colleagues from any and all different backgrounds, because they are people just like us. -- -- Martina Ferrari (Tina, the artist formerly