Re: Evolving away from source package realms

2023-01-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Sun, 23 Oct 2022, Didier Raboud wrote: > (Sorry for the delay in getting back to that thread. #life) Me even worse ;-) > Specifically, this is something I'd like to discuss in more extensive terms. > I > think I'm postulating that Debian would be in a better place with a "Debian >

Re: Survey proposal about the usage of money in Debian

2022-02-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote: > To this end we are currently preparing a survey. We expect to use > surveys.debian.net (Limesurvey) to generate private links that can be sent > to each Debian developer. (This is so that only Debian developers can fill > out the survey.)

Re: Survey proposal about the usage of money in Debian

2022-02-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, I have received some private feedback that a few questions were heavily biased towards technical roles. That bias is certainly real as this is where I come from and the kind of work that I'd like to fund with Freexian is mostly technical. That said the survey would certainly be more

Re: Survey proposal about the usage of money in Debian

2022-01-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote: > You can find a draft of the survey here: > https://salsa.debian.org/freexian-team/misc-drafts/-/blob/master/2022-dd-survey/survey-content.md FTR, thanks to the feedback of Ulrike Uhlig, I merged some changes compared to the initial version that was

Re: Debian Roadmap 2030

2021-11-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021, Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi, > > Three folks on -vote recently responded to a GR proposal that we—as a > group—have more important things to do, yet no one articulated what > those things were. With this message, I hope to collect your ideas. [...] > Please feel free to respond

Re: Creating a Debian Spending proposals and discussion mailing list

2021-04-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 19 Apr 2021, Phil Morrell wrote: > On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 10:14:50PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > We could have a "debian/spending-ideas" if you want so that all DD have > > write access by default. We could restrict access to issues for project > &

Re: Creating a Debian Spending proposals and discussion mailing list

2021-04-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Sun, 04 Apr 2021, Phil Morrell wrote: > Please keep in mind that I'm proposing this list purely as a practical > experiment, it does nothing that can't already be done elsewhere, and if > it doesn't work out after say 6 months, then so be it. All I'm looking > for is an indication that it

Re: Creating a Debian Spending proposals and discussion mailing list

2021-04-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 02 Apr 2021, Phil Morrell wrote: > I've thought about what such a system could look like, perhaps signed > commits to a salsa project or a simple site like mentors. I came to the > conclusion that there's already a working system in place for counting > DD support of suggestions.

Funding Debian projects with money from Freexian's LTS service

2020-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, as you probably know, my company — Freexian — has been running the commercial side of the Debian LTS project, collecting money from sponsors and dispatching it to contributors handling the security updates. This is working pretty well by now and the amount of funding is sufficient to cover

Re: Debian infra services and tools looking for programming contributions

2020-05-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello Antonio, nice initiative ! On Thu, 21 May 2020, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > For services, my starting point is https://wiki.debian.org/Services For > tools, I currently have a list of the ones I usually contribute to, but > can add more. > > Not the part where I need your help. I'm looking

Re: Testing Discourse for Debian

2020-04-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Hell, there's a strong confirmation bias here too - how many > potentially great future developers have we lost at a very early stage > because our email-centric workflow didn't appeal to them initially? We already lost existing Debian developers due

Re: Community Team - where we want to go

2019-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, Gerardo Ballabio wrote: > > That is, the team would rule on individual cases, rather than issuing > > "lists of things not to do". IMHO that pretty much would make it a > > court with the power to judge project members. And I'm

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Sun, 29 Sep 2019, Hector Oron wrote: > > Not sure what the problem with LTS is. I thought companies pay for the > > extra effort. I think it's a perfectly fine business model. > > As a very simple summary, companies pay another company (Debian > unrelated) to use Debian volunteers time

Re: Cultural differences and how to handle them

2019-07-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 03 Jul 2019, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:33:25PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > > Being german, I think that Debian should honor discriminated minorities, > > Being a discriminated against minority, I think Debian should *not*. And since Debian is do-ocracy,

Re: Censorship in Debian

2018-12-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: > Thank you for illustrating so well why Daniel's words were spot on. Your > response is exactly why censorship must not be tolerated in Debian. Such a message is not constructive and actually hurts any further discussion. First of all, while it may

Re: Conflict escalation and discipline

2018-04-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018, Ian Jackson wrote: > > This implies to me that, at the least, "anti-harassment" is the wrong > > name for a team that deals with this. > > That's certainly true. I thought of these ideas: What about def...@debian.org ? You write to them when you are about to explode and

Re: Listing of derivatives on the Debian website?

2017-09-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 05 Sep 2017, Paul Wise wrote: > I discussed this a bit more with Stéphane Blondon offlist and we came > up with this proposal for the criteria and how to list derivatives. > > We would welcome some feedback on these new criteria. I don't have anything to add. It looks good to me

Re: Maintainerless Hive-Mind? (was Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers)

2016-12-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 08 Dec 2016, Guillem Jover wrote: > It is not only not obviously right to me, instead it seems obvious > it carries a set of different problems with it. I feel this carries > so many assumptions of how the proposers feel about how *they* work > or might like to work and ignores how

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers

2016-12-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016, Holger Levsen wrote: > I'm not saying people like you dont exist, nor that your reasoning aint > sensible. I've just said some people take motivation from being listed > as maintainer. We could get rid of "Maintainer" in debian/control and still display on tracker.debian.org

Re: shutting down httpredir.debian.org?

2016-04-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, Christian Rohmann wrote: > On 04/13/2016 10:23 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > >> * Intensive checks (even via rsync) regarding mirror consistency > > That's good too but the downside is that the mirrors must > > offer rsync service, either public or

Re: shutting down httpredir.debian.org?

2016-04-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 12 Apr 2016, Christian Rohmann wrote: > It does wonderful things (http://mirrorbrain.org/features/): Nice to see some much support but I would like to point out that not everything is perfect either... > * Load-Balance by GeoIP / AS matching (traffic stays very local) That's

Re: shutting down httpredir.debian.org?

2016-04-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 12 Apr 2016, Peter Palfrader wrote: > So, it appears as if currently nobody has time or the energy to take > care of httpredir.debian.org properly. > > I suggest we shut down the service for now. If, at some future point, > somebody wants to maintain again we can always start it up

Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash

2015-12-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015, Ian Jackson wrote: > Could Debian as a project sign up ? Conservancy is a 503(c), like > SPI, so perhaps we in Debian could commit a modest regular funding > stream to Conservancy. +1 We have troubles finding good use of our money. This one should not cause any problem to

Re: donations and paypal

2014-12-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014, Brian Gupta wrote: As someone who's pretty heavily involved in fundraising for Debian, I'd like to express my support for adding Paypal to the list of official methods to donate to Debian. And if I can add a data point, PayPal is already mentioned on the donation page

Bug#772645: lists.debian.org: Please create debian-moderat...@lists.debian.org

2014-12-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Package: lists.debian.org Severity: wishlist Hello, with the adoption of the code of conduct, more and more people started to respond to persons who do not follow its spirit, to let them know that the message was inappropriate in one way or another. Some do it publicly and other do it privately.

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Solveig, On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Solveig wrote: I can write specific amendments, if somebody is willing to sponsor them :) Please do. I tend to agree with what Steve said. It doesn't hurt to have a list of don't but this should not replace the inspirational part of the CoC. Cheers, -- Raphaël

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: The danger of having a list of do nots is that people will do something which is not on the list, and then point to it and say see, it's allowed by the code of conduct when pointed out that they're being a dick. It's quite common to have an short

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: - Wrap your lines at 80 characters or less for ordinary discussion. Lines longer than 80 characters are acceptable for computer-generated output (e.g., ls -l). - Do not send automated out-of-office or vacation messages. - Do not send test

Re: State of the debian keyring

2014-02-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: It can increase security because it can make operations more convenient at the same level of security, and because people trade off convenience for security. For example, it would be possible to have one key for email encryption and a different (more

Re: Debian Services Census

2014-02-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Ingo Jürgensmann wrote: Unfortunately I have a problem with the renaming of my pet service Buildd.Net on https://wiki.debian.org/Services. I added my service as BuilddNet and it got renamed to UnofficialBuilddNet. Although it's true that it's an unofficial service, I

Re: Debian Services Census

2014-02-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Ingo Jürgensmann wrote: In fact it doesn't duplicate an existing service. Its focus is different than the buildd.d.o site. The site says “These pages are intended to show additional information to http://buildd.debian.org or more exactly it is basically the same

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: 2) the alternative is that they give up on the idea, or host it themselves, which makes it harder to work collaboratively on the service, and results in services that have a single maintainer (or none, in the end). How does having a

Re: bits from the DPL -- December 2013

2014-01-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: - [bgupta] work with SPI to enable donations via paypal Note that Debian France has planned to setup that for the Debian project. It would be a small change on this page: https://france.debian.net/galette/plugins/galette-plugin-paypal/paypal_form.php

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-01-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 06 Jan 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: Cyril Brulebois writes (Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation): Have you seen some mistakes that would help us (or at least me) understand which problems you're {thinking of,anticipating}? I think the biggest problem isn't that the policy

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-01-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 06 Jan 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: This is all very well but I think de jure they aren't a delegated team, and the distinction is defined in the constitution. This is not trivially bypassable, because a delegated team is one who

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Sat, 04 Jan 2014, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I've given some thought to this myself, and came up with the following ideas. Some of them are probably really bad ideas, but let's try to brainstorm a bit: I don't find them bad. At least from the POV of view of a DD and of a service

Re: Debian companies group

2013-09-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013, Michael Meskes wrote: On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:12:12AM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: I didn't really understand your proposal, it was missing the What? section. What do you intend to change apart from the description of the debian-companies list? It is not just the

Re: LaMont Jones, WTH are you doing?

2013-02-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 06 Feb 2013, LaMont Jones wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 11:33:39AM -0700, LaMont Jones wrote: mergechanges is responsible for the differences you're seeing: dpkg-source is run (yes, on an ubuntu system), and then binaries are built on a system that is running sid, both amd64

Re: DEP 12: Per-package machine-readable metadata about Upstream

2013-01-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013, Paul Wise wrote: The source package control files and some of their derivatives are currently used to document the URL of the home page of the work that is packaged (upstream). However, this approach is hard to extend to other information describing

Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project

2012-04-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 06 Apr 2012, Enrico Zini wrote: I love how this is increasing in awesomeness as it is decreasing in size. Indeed. I feel like suggesting two minor patches, labor limae if anything: s/contributions to Debian/contributions/ s/expertise in other areas/expertise in other areas,/

Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project

2012-03-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Jose Luis Rivas wrote: If is proposed to GR as it is written now, I will most probably vote against it too. I thought the diversity statement was to let everybody know they were welcome to work in the project, not that they have to think in certain way nor we will have yet

Re: Reminder: Debian FTPMaster meeting

2011-03-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Jörg, On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Compared to my last post about this meeting, we did rework our agenda a little bit, so it currently reads like the stuff I paste below. We guarantee nothing from it, but we try to at least have a few short words about each. Well, a report

Re: Reminder: Debian FTPMaster meeting

2011-03-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Joerg Jaspert wrote: multi-arch implementation, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/02/msg00504.html On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:44:46PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Compared to my last post about this meeting, we

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: It's not begging in a sense that someone IS doing some work. It's more like use this thing that I produced, and if you want, you can reward me with a few cents. There simply is nothing distasteful about that. In fact, I find it courageous,

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, (I'm hert...@d.o and not b...@d.o) On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Joerg Jaspert wrote: What Can I Post On Planet? [...] - Be very careful including material from external sites (ie, not your own blog/domain). The occasional picture from elsewhere is fine, but anything that can be (or is)

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'm not particularly happy with the 'flattr this' buttons either. My main problem is that I find quite difficult to avoid interpreting them as DMUP violations, specifically about DMUP point don't use Debian Facilities for private financial

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: My next question for you (assuming you accept that a discussion on this list is enough to decide on this matter---I personally do) is whether you find that my summary of this thread, given in my former post, is fair or not. I don't know on

What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet, mostly about flattr. So it's now clear that this thread is only about flattr buttons. Quite a few people explained that they are (at varying level) annoyed by them. I would

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 09 Nov 2010, Joerg Jaspert wrote: For some value of any. Planet has a big audience, articles are seen by more than 3 persons so it's difficult to speak for them. How do you get that number? Feedburner statistics. But I was wrong, it's not that many. That numbers includes also

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Russ Allbery wrote: Where I personally draw the line is that I'm fairly comfortable with Debian-involved people advertising their own services on Planet Debian: their own companies, their own consulting services, their own posts, and so forth. I would start getting

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Joerg Jaspert wrote: You should be. *IMO* your posts are VERY annoying with the support my work, give me money money money below them, sometimes very much looking to be written just to spread another round of flattr links. Might not be the intention, but feels like it

Re: Debian training and code review

2010-09-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Henri Le Foll wrote: I have seen that Raphael Hertzog has written a blog entrie about conffile so I have created http://wiki.debian.org/Training This article is more oriented towards users than towards contributors. But I have other articles that are interesting

Re: FTPMaster meeting minutes

2010-09-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Joerg, thanks for those minutes, they were very interesting. I like that you're working on integrating more stuff on the main archive. It's definitely better than to have many separate archives. I do hope backports will be a suite on the main archive at some point. I have one comment and a

Re: Heads up for Debian Installer (Re: Debian Project mourns the loss of Frans Pop)

2010-09-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 02 Sep 2010, Andreas Tille wrote: I admit that I personally can not spend the (spare) time which is needed to work on or even lead a project like debian-installer but I would like to raise the awareness of people here by showing the figure above that especially in freeze time a

Re: Debian accepting Social Micropayment?

2010-08-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Steffen Möller wrote: there is a new advent on the Internet horizon which is the social micropayment. Regular web users pay in some money and distribute that with respect to their clicks in the web. I feel that Debian should somehow participate with that, i.e. we

Re: Problems with NM Front Desk

2010-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote: On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: some stuff about Manuel not being ready for DD status AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM database. I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Enrico Zini wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:45:32PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Now I would like to stop dealing with those requests and thus I would like a team of people to replace me. Do you have a way to know what percentage of non-DDs who can commit

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Enrico Zini wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:45:32PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Now I would like to stop dealing with those requests and thus I would like a team of people to replace me. Do you have a way to know what percentage of non-DDs who can commit

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Christoph Berg wrote: Why not automatically include all DMs in the collab-maint group? No objection from me. But I don't know how to map DM to alioth accounts. And to drive the idea further, what about a public-maint group that everyone with an alioth account can commit

A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, ever since I created the Alioth collab-maint project [1], I have been adding non-developers to the project so that they can work together with other DD (sponsors) on a common VCS. 359 requests have been approved since 2005, it currently amounts to 5 to 20 requests every month. The

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Jeremiah Foster wrote: Are there volunteers for the task? I would be willing to volunteer as part of a team. I work with the debian-perl team and find that group maintenance and co-operation makes things function quite smoothly. I would like to mention I am not a DD

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Xavier Oswald wrote: Is there an existing team that could take this responsibility? [2] Are there volunteers for the task? Why a team ? People volunteers registered as Admin could do the needed job right ? I asked for a team because it would not be unreasonable

Re: PTS subscription exposure

2010-03-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: This is IMNSHO a serious violation and breach of privacy. It doesn't IMO it's not. The PTS is like launchpad but for Debian and there you can see who is subscribed to each package and to each bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg

Re: Proposing removal of pump: anyone wants it?

2010-01-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 05 Jan 2010, David Paleino wrote: while hacking on wicd, I looked at the various DHCP clients we have in Debian. I believe that pump could be removed from our archives, but I'm sending this mail in case anyone really needs it -- in this case, we keep it and I'll just remove support

Re: Attracting new volunteers to Debian using stackoverflow.com

2009-12-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi (quoting almost everything on purpose) On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, Tom Feiner wrote: stackoverflow.com, which is a website featuring questions and answers on a wide range of topics in computer programming, has just offered [1] free advertising for open source projects wanting to advertise

Re: squeeze release cycle?

2009-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Martin Wuertele wrote: If you're talking about the Ubuntu release team that's up to them. If you talk about the Debian release team then I don't think so. A proposale is a proposal not a policy. I don't get your point. How do you go from a proposed freeze date to a

Re: squeeze release cycle?

2009-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Sure, if most DDs have just took that mail as a proposal that they can safely ignore, the release team should probably be more precise, but I doubt the substance will be anything else than what we have now. (I also duly notice that the release

Re: squeeze release cycle?

2009-11-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: So, there was a long discussion here after Debconf about the merits or lack thereof of a freeze date at the end of this year for a squeeze release early next year. My general feeling of the discussion was that there was a fair bit of opposition to

Re: squeeze release cycle?

2009-11-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: critical bugs. That gave to nice aphorisms like release when ready, but did not really cater to timeliness of the releases. We are speaking of the freeze date, not the release date. other way: Where timeliness trumps the quality. We also have

Re: Switching the default startup method

2009-08-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(Put petter on CC, he's probably interested by the patch below) On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Alexander Wirt wrote: Luk Claes schrieb am Monday, den 24. August 2009: *snip* Why would file-rc not work properly with dependency based booting? you know what file-rc is doing? You have a configfile where

Re: Switching the default startup method

2009-08-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt h...@ftwca.de writes: How is calling update-rc.d making our maintainer scripts fragile? It's the things that update-rc.d doesn't support directly that are a problem, like moving

Re: Switching the default startup method

2009-08-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Andreas Barth wrote: We should definitly continue to support oldstyle booting, at least for the time being. Until what? Missing boot-time dependencies were the only problem that had to be adressed to fix boot sequence ordering. Sure administrators will have to learn

Re: Switching the default startup method

2009-08-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(unexpected) initialization done by other scripts, i.e. numbers were wrong and could not be easily fixed. And there's nothing magic in the dependency based system. On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:54:06AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009

Re: Summary of the debian-devel BoF at Debconf9

2009-08-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Ben Finney wrote: Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes: * Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au [090818 11:28]: Perhaps you have a better way of succinct terms to use when challenging those logical fallacies? I think succinct terms help not at all here.

Re: Summary of the debian-devel BoF at Debconf9

2009-08-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Paul Wise wrote: Also, how about the following addition to the next edition of DeveloperNews? === debian-devel and ITPs === At DebConf9 there was a discussion about making the debian-devel list more useful. Towards that end, here is a quick reminder of the

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Marc Haber wrote: In fact, I would prefer if Ubuntu had to change _their_ scheduled to accomodate us, if they want to have the advantage of being in sync with us. It's _their_ advantage after all, not ours. I don't mind who changes the date for the other but I really don't

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:37:46AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: What we're speaking of is synergy between both distributions. You know the it's the principle behind “the combination of both is worth more that the sum of individual parts”. What kind

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Modestas Vainius wrote: So let's just freeze late in the early/middle spring of 2010 this time and aim for Dec 2011 freeze next time. If you disagree with that, please enlighten me why Debian needs to rush _this time_. If synchronization is so badly wanted for the

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Frans Pop wrote: Both the Etch and Lenny releases did clearly show this, and the success of both releases (Etch more than Lenny IMO) is largely thanks to flexible starts of the incremental freeze stages. The staged freeze has been a major pain for anyone working on the

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Sandro Tosi wrote: bullshit! we are trading quality for what? Please don't be so aggressive and leave some time to RM to respond to your comments before posting more mails Or there's something else behind the curtains that it's not being said (consciously), like

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Ben Finney wrote: Manoj seems to be emitting a great deal more typos to Debian forums in recent years. Perhaps we should pool together donations for a better keyboard for him? Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes... (including the pass where

Re: Maintaining packages properly

2009-03-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Moving to -project ] Hi, context: someone proposed a scoring system like this: x (= 10?) Important bugs are RC critical y (= 25?) Normal bugs are RC critical On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 02:41:46PM +0100, Vincent Fourmond wrote: Hmmm... I

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Robert Millan wrote: This is one of the reasons why the vote was flawed; Again, if the vote was flawed (I don't think it was, but if the Secretary considers it flawed), the right thing would be to cancel it. The constitution doesn't explicitely allow a vote to be

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Anyway 2Q is too much in my opinion. Q would be much more reasonable. See my reply to Bernd why I think its not. It seems like most people who responded preferred Q up to now. It might end up as an amendment otherwise. :) It would be also be good

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Hi, I have felt for some time that the low requirement for seconds on General Resolutions is something that should be fixed. We are over 1000 Developers, if you can't find more than 5 people supporting your idea, its most probably not worth it

Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems

2008-12-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:35:14AM +, Jurij Smakov wrote: * Vocal minority dominates silent majority by contributing a disproportionate amount of list traffic, [...] Note that voting can have a similar drawback -- in that if you've got enough

Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems

2008-12-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote: and so on. The way I would like to see this idea developing is that it starts as an unofficial project, with very simple rules (like, you can vote once for each message ID), which simply collects the data and makes it publicly available in

Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems

2008-12-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [ re-ordering the quoted text, anticipating your reply to my post ] On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 04:35:43PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: The goal is not (necessarily to) filter the messages that we want to see or not, the goal is to give feedback

Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Matthew Johnson wrote: On Mon Oct 27 20:28, Holger Levsen wrote: Her basic idea is, that in addictive games the first levels of success are easy to achieve and then it gets harder, but only so slowly so that people dont loose motivation. She also manages very well to

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, thanks for your comment. For reference, people might not have noticed but my initial mail was not only a reply to liw's mail but a real alternative proposal. BTW, I added some further explanations on my blog: http://www.ouaza.com/wp/2008/10/27/debian-membership-reform/ On Mon, 27 Oct 2008,

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would require the intervention of many DD each time we have to grant a right (when trusting the decision of 2 members with special rights would be enough). That's why I

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would require the intervention of many DD each time we have to grant

It's all about trust

2008-10-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Lars Wirzenius wrote: I think we should go in the opposite direction: massively simplify the whole membership thing. I tend to agree on the description of the situation but I would also add that we effectively have a trust problem within the project and that any reform to

Re: Release notes

2008-10-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I need information where debbugs Don responded, it moved to bzr: http://bugs.debian.org/debbugs-source/ http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Debbugs debian-openoffice $ apt-cache showsrc openoffice.org | grep Vcs Vcs-Bzr:

Re: Release notes

2008-10-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Sun, 05 Oct 2008, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] (05/10/2008): http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/release-notes/?root=debian-doc This link is wrong. DDP uses SVN nowadays. Question is: why

Re: Release notes

2008-10-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/release-notes/?root=debian-doc This link is wrong. DDP uses SVN nowadays. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Le best-seller français mis à jour pour Debian Etch : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To

Re: Fw: Debian and non-free

2008-09-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
I was frightened by your message until I realized that it was not your message but one of Sven… please don't forward messages that you don't endorse (in particular when it contains wrong claims). debian-multimedia.org is not maintained by debian, it is for patent encumbered stuff, liable of a

Re: Debian and non-free

2008-09-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, David Paleino wrote: The separation between debian.org and non-free.org is IMHO auspicable. And, regarding the concern of RMS about publicizing this location... well, we do *NOT* mention debian-multimedia.org anywhere, do we? Still, lots of people use that. If we create

Re: DEP1: Non Maintainer Uploads (final call for review)

2008-08-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: The past weeks I had several encounters with the situation that a maintainer completely overlooked and NMU and uploaded a newer version without acknowledging the previous NMU, thereby reintroducing the problem the NMU addressed. This happened to

Re: DEP1: Non Maintainer Uploads (final call for review)

2008-08-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: But perhaps we need another mechanism to signal this. Consecutive uploads to the same distribution should not cause previously present version entries to disappear from the changelog. Maybe the archive can reject an upload that misses a changelog

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