Hi,
Free Software is meaningless without having free users, users that
aren't able to take control of their software are not free users,
they're slaves to the creators of the software.
That's what I meant. If the FSF (or Debian) says:
It is absolutely unacceptable to run non-free software
Hello,
I think we should either get Debian in FSF [free-distros list][1], or
document (from our POV) why Debian is not there. I'm looking for Debian
volunteers interested in the topic and willing to participate in a joint
Debian / FSF team that will work toward that goal without prejudices.
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 06:45:50PM +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
Any news, current status?
None that I know. I'd be really interested in working with the FSF in a
way that helps us both out a lot, and I'd really love to get an official
endorsement. I know it'll be hard, and I know it'll
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 12:06:43PM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
zack@ was the last person to work with the FSF on this, and I've not
heard much else.
Correct. Unfortunately I haven't heard much else either. Discussions
went on on the fsf-collab-discuss list on alioth, but the state of the
art
Correct. Unfortunately I haven't heard much else either. Discussions
went on on the fsf-collab-discuss list on alioth, but the state of the
art is still that we're waiting for the FSF to refine current freeness
assessment into more actionable items.
Just out of curiosity: What's their
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 07:49:37PM +0100, Dominik George wrote:
Correct. Unfortunately I haven't heard much else either. Discussions
went on on the fsf-collab-discuss list on alioth, but the state of the
art is still that we're waiting for the FSF to refine current freeness
assessment into
Just out of curiosity: What's their definition of freedom anyway?
You don't know what their definition of freedom is, but continue to
assess their religious views? This doesn't look very useful to me.
I know very well what their definition of freedom is. My question
challenges the valdity
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 08:13:29PM +0100, Dominik George wrote:
Just out of curiosity: What's their definition of freedom anyway?
You don't know what their definition of freedom is, but continue to
assess their religious views? This doesn't look very useful to me.
I know very well
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Michael Banck mba...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 08:13:29PM +0100, Dominik George wrote:
Just out of curiosity: What's their definition of freedom anyway?
You don't know what their definition of freedom is, but continue to
assess their
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 07:49:37PM +0100, Dominik George wrote:
Just out of curiosity: What's their definition of freedom anyway?
Forcing the user to not use non-free software takes away their freedom,
but probably the FSF does not get that, or they wouldn't be pushing the
GPL so badly.
Stefano Zacchiroli writes (working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment):
TL;DR
Well done!
This triaging work is the work for which I'm looking for volunteers.
I would love to help. Full disclosure: I'm a GNU maintainer and
longstanding supporter of GNU and the FSF, although I don't agree
TL;DR
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I think we should either get Debian in FSF [free-distros list][1], or
document (from our POV) why Debian is not there. I'm looking for Debian
volunteers interested in the topic and willing to participate in a joint
Debian / FSF team that will work toward that goal without prejudices.
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