Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

2017-10-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee"): > I am discussing how we handle conflict because I hope we can do a better > job of helping people feel valued even when we do not agree with their > technical positions. You've

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

2017-10-31 Thread Luk Claes
+1 On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: > > Russ> Martin Steigerwald writes: > >> Russ Allbery - 28.10.17, 16:13: > > >>> There wasn't *anything* "left out" of that

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

2017-10-31 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Russ Allbery > There are two primary reasons why we're continuing to discuss this. One > is that the decision went a direction that a lot of people didn't, and > don't, like, and they're still unhappy about it. There's really nothing > that can be done about this; any other decision would

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

2017-10-31 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: Russ> Martin Steigerwald writes: >> Russ Allbery - 28.10.17, 16:13: >>> There wasn't *anything* "left out" of that discussion. >> In my opinion this is a pretty bold statement. >> If everyone has

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

2017-10-31 Thread Russ Allbery
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Russ Allbery - 28.10.17, 16:13: >> There wasn't *anything* "left out" of that discussion. > In my opinion this is a pretty bold statement. > If everyone has been heard, noticed, felt and valued, if everything has > been covered, then why are we

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

2017-10-31 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Dear Russ, dear Sam, dear people involved with Debian, Russ Allbery - 28.10.17, 16:13: > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > I always found that just focusing on the technical aspects of the Init > > system discussion left out… everything else. Even the issue in itself > > was