Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-08 Thread Bdale Garbee
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: Bdale Garbee wrote: patch d-i to build successfully against the syslinux in sid syslinux is GPL'd, so this would result in shipping d-i images in wheezy which contain a GPL'd binary for which there is no source in wheezy. My unstated assumption was

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-08 Thread Steven Chamberlain
Hi, On 08/02/13 20:52, Bdale Garbee wrote: Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: syslinux is GPL'd, so this would result in shipping d-i images in wheezy which contain a GPL'd binary for which there is no source in wheezy. My unstated assumption was that if d-i were able to successfully build

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 06 Feb 2013, Bdale Garbee wrote: two at a time. Holding d-i's build dependencies static in unstable for more than half a year is just nuts to me! Sure seems like d-i is something we should build using the components of the release it will be contained in and not unstable... but

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 07.02.2013 08:31, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Technically d-i point release updates are built in stable-proposed-updates and build dependencies are satisfied in stable (+ s-p-u maybe). Similarly it should be possible to build d-i for wheezy in testing-proposed-updates right now (and have

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 07 Feb 2013, Raphael Hertzog wrote: on the mirror and not in the package repository (the installer directories are shared between wheezy and sid). Cyril pointed out to me that this specific point is wrong, while wheezy/main/installer-* and unstable/main/installer-* have the same content

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 02/07/2013 09:31, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Technically d-i point release updates are built in stable-proposed-updates and build dependencies are satisfied in stable (+ s-p-u maybe). Similarly it should be possible to build d-i for wheezy in testing-proposed-updates right now (and have

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Joey Hess
Bdale Garbee wrote: Sure seems like d-i is something we should build using the components of the release it will be contained in and not unstable... but I haven't tried to think hard about what that might imply that's problematic. And I certainly don't think this is something we should even

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Joey Hess
Bdale Garbee wrote: patch d-i to build successfully against the syslinux in sid syslinux is GPL'd, so this would result in shipping d-i images in wheezy which contain a GPL'd binary for which there is no source in wheezy. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org (07/02/2013): This can be done easily, just upload d-i to t-p-u. d-i uploads are already built with udebs from testing, for similar reasons. There seems to be an unholy fear of using t-p-u for anything these days, which I don't really understand. Even when not

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Joey Hess
Cyril Brulebois wrote: Joey Hess jo...@debian.org (07/02/2013): This can be done easily, just upload d-i to t-p-u. d-i uploads are already built with udebs from testing, for similar reasons. There seems to be an unholy fear of using t-p-u for anything these days, which I don't really

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 07.02.2013 14:46, Joey Hess wrote: Cyril Brulebois wrote: Joey Hess jo...@debian.org (07/02/2013): This can be done easily, just upload d-i to t-p-u. d-i uploads are already built with udebs from testing, for similar reasons. There seems to be an unholy fear of using t-p-u for anything

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 01:55:11AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: On a personal note, I'm unsure how we came up with a situation where a single maintainer can *actively* stall a release… Not caring about the release process put into place years ago is a thing. Stopping people from fixing

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Philipp Kern
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 10:33:00AM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: As Adam already pointed out we would still need another d-i upload to unstable to make sure unstable has a higher-or-equal version compared to testing. Sometimes I wonder why it cannot simply propagate to the upper suite. We do

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-06 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 05.02.2013 23:55, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 06 Feb 2013, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net (05/02/2013): or: * apply the following tested and working patch from #699742 in debian-installer, […] Except that this “tested and working

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013, Julien Cristau wrote: - the latest of these uploads breaks the installer, making it impossible to build and upload the planned wheezy release candidate, since build-dependencies are fetched from unstable - when asked to revert this change, the syslinux maintainer

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: Assuming that the patch for #699742[0] fixes this issue with DI RC releases being installed, is there still an outstanding issue for the CTTE? Earlier in this thread, there had been a couple of reports that fix didn't work. I haven't looked further,

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 06 Feb 2013, Russ Allbery wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: Assuming that the patch for #699742[0] fixes this issue with DI RC releases being installed, is there still an outstanding issue for the CTTE? Earlier in this thread, there had been a couple of reports that

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-06 Thread Bdale Garbee
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: In practice, at least for the last couple of release cycles, we freeze unstable for non-leaf packages during the release freeze because otherwise it's too difficult with our current infrastructure to finish the release. I personally consider this a

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Bdale Garbee bd...@gag.com writes: I personally consider this a regrettable situation, and hope that for jessie and beyond we can work out how to do this better. It is unacceptable to me to freeze anything in sid for more than a week or two at a time. Holding d-i's build dependencies static

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-06 Thread Michael Biebl
On 06.02.2013 23:22, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 06 Feb 2013, Russ Allbery wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: Assuming that the patch for #699742[0] fixes this issue with DI RC releases being installed, is there still an outstanding issue for the CTTE? Earlier in this thread,

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-06 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Bdale Garbee bd...@gag.com (06/02/2013): I personally consider this a regrettable situation, and hope that for jessie and beyond we can work out how to do this better. It is unacceptable to me to freeze anything in sid for more than a week or two at a time. Holding d-i's build dependencies

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes: Bdale Garbee bd...@gag.com (06/02/2013): I personally consider this a regrettable situation, and hope that for jessie and beyond we can work out how to do this better. It is unacceptable to me to freeze anything in sid for more than a week or two at a

Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-05 Thread Julien Cristau
Package: tech-ctte [cc to syslinux maintainer, debian-release, debian-boot, leader] Hi, the background for this request can be found in bug#699382. Here are the highlights: - the debian-installer source package, which builds the installer images for debian's releases, build-depends on

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-05 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net (05/02/2013): or: * apply the following tested and working patch from #699742 in debian-installer, […] Except that this “tested and working patch” doesn't fix anything. Same issue, as seen by Michael and myself. KiBi.

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 06 Feb 2013, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net (05/02/2013): or: * apply the following tested and working patch from #699742 in debian-installer, […] Except that this “tested and working patch” doesn't fix anything. Same