Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Thu 09 May 2013 16:25:46 +0200, a écrit : Why do you expect anything to be different now compared when the freeze happened, _several months ago_, in zero time? Please avoid this level of language, it can't bring anything good to the discussion. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-09 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 21:47 +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: Hi Samuel, On 06/05/13 21:35, Samuel Thibault wrote: Steven Chamberlain, le Mon 06 May 2013 21:20:57 +0100, a écrit : In that case would there be 150-200 RC-severity bugs introduced right away by its inclusion? I would

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-09 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 16:39 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Svante Signell, le Thu 09 May 2013 16:25:46 +0200, a écrit : Why do you expect anything to be different now compared when the freeze happened, _several months ago_, in zero time? Please avoid this level of language, it can't bring

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 01:07:42AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Neil McGovern, le Tue 07 May 2013 11:14:01 +0100, a écrit : On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 10:27:54PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: We have not worked too much on the hardware support in the past months, so it is basically network

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Neil McGovern, le Wed 08 May 2013 11:35:52 +0100, a écrit : About disk support, I happen to have right now a few days of holiday with no RL plans (at last!), so I'll work on the SATA driver. Having it working within a month should just happen. But not tested - how about USB - did that

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 04:33:03PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Neil McGovern, le Wed 08 May 2013 11:35:52 +0100, a écrit : But not tested - how about USB - did that ever get sorted? We have not worked on it. How about things like wireless drivers, raid controllers, suspend/resume,

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Neil McGovern, le Wed 08 May 2013 16:07:26 +0100, a écrit : No, just something that works for the majority of our users. I'm fairly sure things like SATA and USB is considered essential. SATA, yes. USB, less. d) VMWare/VBox etc. This already works. Just tried it with vbox

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Peter Andersson
Sorry to clutter the mailing list. But as a long time lurker at the mailing list I would just like to thank the Hurd team for all your efforts! @Samuel, I totally agree with you on your points. I have been happily running Hurd on my (reasonably new) core 2 computer for a year. It wasn't

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org (08/05/2013): I'm afraid I'll still not be able to explain people when they ask me why hurd-i386 is not in testing, except vague reasons. For the record, and speaking only for myself, I'd love to see a proper architecture qualification process, rather than

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Cyril Brulebois, le Wed 08 May 2013 17:52:13 +0200, a écrit : Now, I think everyone having actually worked on the release would enjoy (and probably deserve) a few days/weeks of rest before resuming release duties, which include: I was also thinking the same when I saw the issue popping up

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 08/05/13 16:52, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org (08/05/2013): I'm afraid I'll still not be able to explain people when they ask me why hurd-i386 is not in testing, except vague reasons. For the record, and speaking only for myself, I'd love to see a proper

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Steven Chamberlain, le Wed 08 May 2013 18:36:33 +0100, a écrit : My idea would be to look at the (I estimate) 90+ packages that are out-of-date in sid on GNU/Hurd but not other arches, and were not already removed by #704477. This includes some important ones like gcc-4.8, gdb. gcc-4.8 was

how to give the release team a break (Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-08 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Mittwoch, 8. Mai 2013, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Now, I think everyone having actually worked on the release would enjoy (and probably deserve) a few days/weeks of rest before resuming release duties, which include: [..] But please allow the release team to lean back a few moments. I

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 10:27:54PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: We have not worked too much on the hardware support in the past months, so it is basically network board drivers from linux 2.6.32, and IDE disk support. I for instance installed it on my Dell D430, and network just works fine.

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Neil McGovern, le Tue 07 May 2013 11:14:01 +0100, a écrit : On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 10:27:54PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: We have not worked too much on the hardware support in the past months, so it is basically network board drivers from linux 2.6.32, and IDE disk support. I for

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-07 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 08/05/13 00:07, Samuel Thibault wrote: I don't know what ethernet driver these would need. Should probably start a GNU/Hurd hardware status page on the Wiki... Neil McGovern, le Tue 07 May 2013 11:14:01 +0100, a écrit : a) A HP DL360 or similar The chipset has changed a bit between

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Steven Chamberlain, le Wed 08 May 2013 00:59:19 +0100, a écrit : d) VMWare/VBox etc. This already works. Also, Xen support just works [...] With network connectivity? Sure. If so which NIC do they emulate? (rtl8139?) They don't emulate a nic, it's ParaVirtualization. What

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Steven Chamberlain, le Wed 08 May 2013 00:59:19 +0100, a écrit : Neil McGovern, le Tue 07 May 2013 11:14:01 +0100, a écrit : a) A HP DL360 or similar The chipset has changed a bit between generations: G1: eepro (Linux) or fxp (*BSD) driver, requiring non-free microcode We haven't worked

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 05:07:13PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: So, release people: How likely is it that Hurd gets added to jessie? Within the next one or two months I mean, not maybe in a years time. :) I don't see it happening, to be honest. Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Barry deFreese
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, I have been significantly out of the loop for a while now but what do you base that on? What requirements are we still falling short on? Thanks, Barry deFreese On 5/6/2013 7:08 AM, Neil McGovern wrote: On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 05:07:13PM

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 05/05/13 16:07, Joerg Jaspert wrote: ...released together with all the others (probably as a technology preview)... So, release people: How likely is it that Hurd gets added to jessie? If added as a 'technology preview', what does that mean exactly? Would Hurd-specific RC-severity bugs

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Joerg Jaspert
with all the others (probably as a technology preview)... So, release people: How likely is it that Hurd gets added to jessie? If added as a 'technology preview', what does that mean exactly? Note that the tech preview was a softening of a requirement to get added to wheezy. Which didnt

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 06/05/13 20:27, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Adding it and then keeping it out of the usual migration rules is asking for failure from the beginning, accumulating cruft. Not a way to go, IMO. In that case would there be 150-200 RC-severity bugs introduced right away by its inclusion? (Packages

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Samuel Thibault
Neil McGovern, le Mon 06 May 2013 17:15:45 +0100, a écrit : On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 09:36:55AM -0400, Barry deFreese wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- OK, I have been significantly out of the loop for a while now but what do you base that on? What requirements are we still

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Samuel Thibault
Joerg Jaspert, le Mon 06 May 2013 21:27:46 +0200, a écrit : Adding it and then keeping it out of the usual migration rules is asking for failure from the beginning, accumulating cruft. Not a way to go, IMO. Excluding from the migration rules would probably become a headache, yes. But wouldn't

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Samuel Thibault
Steven Chamberlain, le Mon 06 May 2013 21:20:57 +0100, a écrit : On 06/05/13 20:27, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Adding it and then keeping it out of the usual migration rules is asking for failure from the beginning, accumulating cruft. Not a way to go, IMO. In that case would there be 150-200

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Steven Chamberlain
Hi Samuel, On 06/05/13 21:35, Samuel Thibault wrote: Steven Chamberlain, le Mon 06 May 2013 21:20:57 +0100, a écrit : In that case would there be 150-200 RC-severity bugs introduced right away by its inclusion? I would rather say simply dropping them, as already requested in Bug#704477.

Re: Hurd and the archive

2013-05-06 Thread Samuel Thibault
Steven Chamberlain, le Mon 06 May 2013 21:47:00 +0100, a écrit : On 06/05/13 21:35, Samuel Thibault wrote: Steven Chamberlain, le Mon 06 May 2013 21:20:57 +0100, a écrit : In that case would there be 150-200 RC-severity bugs introduced right away by its inclusion? I would rather say

Hurd and the archive

2013-05-05 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi From our FTPMaster meeting 2011 minutes[1]: --8schnipp-8--- - In a discussion with the Debian Hurd porters it was decided that the Hurd port stays on FTPMaster until Wheezy is released. Should they have managed to get the port into a state