Re: ProFTPD ASCII File Remote Compromise Vulnerability

2003-09-24 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:13:02PM -0500, Jeff Bender wrote: Thanks. Do you happen to have a link where this might be posted? Well.. Advisory talks about version higher then the one in woody. -- Dariush Pietrzak, Key fingerprint = 40D0 9FFB 9939 7320 8294 05E0 BCC7 02C4 75CC 50D9 -- To

Newest OpenSSH advisory

2003-09-24 Thread Riku Anttila
According to http://www.openssh.com/txt/sshpam.adv there are multiple vulnerabilities in the new PAM code of Portable OpenSSH. It sounds as if it's limited to versions 3.7p1 and3.7.1p1, but I thought I'd ask if anyone knows for a fact that the older version in Woody does not have this code.

The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread przemolicc
I have strange result on two our debian servers - both are woody. The first one (A) has kerenel 2.4.19, the other one (B) - 2.4.22. The A server is almost daily checked against new packages, the B server was upgraded yesterday. Both have the same sources.list But server A: serverA:~# dpkg -l ssh

services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Adam Lydick
Is there any effort to reduce the number of services running on a default debian install? For example: a typical workstation user doesn't really need to have inetd enabled, nor portmap (unless they are running fam or nfs -- which isn't enabled by default) Is this something that needs to be taken

Re: Newest OpenSSH advisory

2003-09-24 Thread Ramon Kagan
My understanding and look at the changelog is that there has been a significant amount of work in the pam components of openssh from version 3.6.x to 3.7x. It is this new code, that has the vulnerability. Ramon Kagan York University, Computing and Network Services Unix Team - Senior Unix

Re: ProFTPD ASCII File Remote Compromise Vulnerability

2003-09-24 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:26:14PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 02:45:24PM -0500, Bender, Jeff wrote: Hi, Looking for the Debian Woody patch. Anyone know if it is available or if this version is exploitable? According to the maintainer, the version in woody is

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 13:04:20 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have strange result on two our debian servers - both are woody. The first one (A) has kerenel 2.4.19, the other one (B) - 2.4.22. The A server is almost daily checked against new packages, the B server was upgraded yesterday.

Re: MS BS + Sorting out the virii

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Ritter
Am Mittwoch, 24. September 2003 02:34 schrieb Tomasz Papszun: Sorry but I must say that this is an incorrect claim. okay, not exclusively Currently ClamAV's own database is quite big and is updated even a couple of times a day if needed. It's quite good at new viruses caught in the wild,

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread przemolicc
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:46:44PM +0200, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 13:04:20 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have strange result on two our debian servers - both are woody. The first one (A) has kerenel 2.4.19, the other one (B) - 2.4.22. The A server is almost

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread Angus D Madden
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:04:20PM +: Why the two servers, upgraded from the same server have different ssh packages ? The same is with some other packages, e.g.: xfree86-common I noticed the exact same behavior on one of my machines. After a number of updates apt was

Re: MS BS + Sorting out the virii

2003-09-24 Thread Michel Messerschmidt
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 03:23:35PM +0200, Thomas Ritter wrote: Yes, I don't know the name, but there's a reference standard virus list. I think you're talking about the Wildlist (www.wildlist.org). That's not a reference list, but simply a list of viruses reported as currently active by at

Re: MS BS + Sorting out the virii

2003-09-24 Thread Michel Messerschmidt
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:54:42AM +0200, Thomas Ritter wrote: And... a mail with a positive virus recognition can be deleted without having to fear it's a false positive, against which a mail found to be Spam by Spamassassin may be a real mail. This is not true. There's always the

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread Manfred Schmitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:46:44PM +0200, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: And /etc/apt/preferences? Sounds like they're using different pinning settings. serverA:~# cat /etc/apt/preferences cat: /etc/apt/preferences: No such file or directory The same on server

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread Yogesh Sharma
As far as my understanding goes, ssh was patched recently for security fixes, so it should be coming from security.debian.org not us.debian.org. Now security.debian.org is not at all mirrored for security reason than how he has 2 different versions of ssh ? 1 Does he has proper

Re: MS BS + Sorting out the virii

2003-09-24 Thread Tomasz Papszun
[ I'm resending it because yesterday try didn't appear on the list. Thomas Ritter has already answered to the copy which I sent directly to him. ] On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 at 1:54:42 +0200, Thomas Ritter wrote: Just a note: Open Antivirus programs like clamav are not perfect, because the open

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Ryan Underwood
Hi, On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:42:01PM -0700, Adam Lydick wrote: Is there any effort to reduce the number of services running on a default debian install? For example: a typical workstation user doesn't really need to have inetd enabled, nor portmap (unless they are running fam or nfs --

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:04:20PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ii ssh3.4p1-2Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH) This version of ssh is neither directly from woody (which still has 3.4p1-1) nor from security.debian.org (which has 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3, and

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread Angus D Madden
Yogesh Sharma, Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:14:52AM -0700: As far as my understanding goes, ssh was patched recently for security fixes, so it should be coming from security.debian.org not us.debian.org. Now security.debian.org is not at all mirrored for security reason than how he has 2

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:59:16PM -0500, Ryan Underwood wrote: Is there any effort to reduce the number of services running on a default debian install? For example: a typical workstation user doesn't really need to have inetd enabled, nor portmap (unless they are running fam or nfs --

Re: Newest OpenSSH advisory

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 12:12:54PM +0300, Riku Anttila wrote: According to http://www.openssh.com/txt/sshpam.adv there are multiple vulnerabilities in the new PAM code of Portable OpenSSH. It sounds as if it's limited to versions 3.7p1 and3.7.1p1, but I thought I'd ask if anyone knows for

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Dale Amon
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 03:59:28PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: For starters, I think portmap, rpc.statd, and inetd should not run by default. Not running a mail server (or perhaps only running one on the loopback interface) would be nice, too. It can be damnably difficult to dump the web

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Florian Weimer
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:42:01PM -0700, Adam Lydick wrote: Is there any effort to reduce the number of services running on a default debian install? For example: a typical workstation user doesn't really need to have inetd enabled, nor portmap (unless they are running fam or nfs -- which

Re: FTP in general (Re: Watch out! vsftpd anonymous access always enabled!)

2003-09-24 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: I _do_ love lftp, and will have to mention it in the referenced document. (Thanks.) It certainly is fast and easy (as is wget), but reliable is somewhat precluded by the http protocol itself. (Admittedly, this is being picky, and wget -c fixes many

Re: Watch out! vsftpd anonymous access always enabled!

2003-09-24 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Why do you think there's anything wrong with ftp? FTP is a firewal nightmare, it is unsecure (plaintext), the more advanced features are not standadized. Even parsing the directory output is terror to the programmer. Greetings Bernd -- eckes privat -

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Steve Wray
For what its worth, and without wanting a distro-religious war about it, Mandrake has a variety of security levels, which can be locally configured, and which can allow exactly this sort of behavior; At high security levels, any new services that get installed (from RPMs) are only allowed from

Re: FTP in general (Re: Watch out! vsftpd anonymous access always enabled!)

2003-09-24 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Bernd Eckenfels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Actually HTTP is much more reliable than FTP. I should have defined my terms: When I said ftp transfers are more reliable than are ftp ones (in my experience), I meant that, once started, they are much less prone to dying. That is observed fact.

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:12:28AM +1200, Steve Wray wrote: For what its worth, and without wanting a distro-religious war about it, Mandrake has a variety of security levels, which can be locally configured, and which can allow exactly this sort of behavior; Honestly, I think we can get away

Re: FTP in general (Re: Watch out! vsftpd anonymous access always enabled!)

2003-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 04:37:30PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: I should have defined my terms: When I said ftp transfers are more reliable than are ftp ones (in my experience), I meant that, once Thank you for clearing that up. Mike Stone -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: MS BS

2003-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:14:43PM +0100, Thomas Horsten wrote: guess they are out there. Anyway, if you are truly security conscious you should consider switching to qmail in any case. Not. Postfix is just as good, but without an obnoxious license. Mike Stone -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 08:16:41PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: Basically, I think that security levels don't gain you anything over don't install the package. Until installing a package has the side effect of installing a network service. Having a default-deny-incoming firewall or some such

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Steve Wray
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:16, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:12:28AM +1200, Steve Wray wrote: For what its worth, and without wanting a distro-religious war about it, Mandrake has a variety of security levels, which can be locally configured, and which can allow exactly

Re: OpenSSH in Woody

2003-09-24 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: and what's about ssh/potato ? I don't see any thing about a new upgrade foir ssh in potato ? Potato is not anymore supported by debian security team, as you can read in the faq. t is unfortunate, I still have some systems running.. well.. thanks god no

Re: MS BS

2003-09-24 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: I am looking for a same solution. However, I am getting 40 to 70 of such mails within 2 hours. There should be a possibility with exim-4.1, but nothing for exim-3.X i am using clamscan with exiscan on exim-3 and it works well, beside the fact that it

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:01:26PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Until installing a package has the side effect of installing a network service. Having a default-deny-incoming firewall or some such would go a long way toward preventing accidental vulnerability exposure. Well, remember that the

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:39:32PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: Well, remember that the scope of this discussion is the default Debian installation. Except, what is default? If you install a workstation task should you assume that you'll get open ports? (As the task packages pull in

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Adam Lydick
Agreed. The X maintainers (as one example) started doing that a while back. I run exim and a few other services like this (manually configured, sadly). On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 15:04, Florian Weimer wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:42:01PM -0700, Adam Lydick wrote: Is there any effort to

Re: ProFTPD ASCII File Remote Compromise Vulnerability

2003-09-24 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:13:02PM -0500, Jeff Bender wrote: Thanks. Do you happen to have a link where this might be posted? Well.. Advisory talks about version higher then the one in woody. -- Dariush Pietrzak, Key fingerprint = 40D0 9FFB 9939 7320 8294 05E0 BCC7 02C4 75CC 50D9

Newest OpenSSH advisory

2003-09-24 Thread Riku Anttila
According to http://www.openssh.com/txt/sshpam.adv there are multiple vulnerabilities in the new PAM code of Portable OpenSSH. It sounds as if it's limited to versions 3.7p1 and3.7.1p1, but I thought I'd ask if anyone knows for a fact that the older version in Woody does not have this code.

The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread przemolicc
I have strange result on two our debian servers - both are woody. The first one (A) has kerenel 2.4.19, the other one (B) - 2.4.22. The A server is almost daily checked against new packages, the B server was upgraded yesterday. Both have the same sources.list But server A: serverA:~# dpkg -l ssh

services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Adam Lydick
Is there any effort to reduce the number of services running on a default debian install? For example: a typical workstation user doesn't really need to have inetd enabled, nor portmap (unless they are running fam or nfs -- which isn't enabled by default) Is this something that needs to be taken

Re: Newest OpenSSH advisory

2003-09-24 Thread Ramon Kagan
My understanding and look at the changelog is that there has been a significant amount of work in the pam components of openssh from version 3.6.x to 3.7x. It is this new code, that has the vulnerability. Ramon Kagan York University, Computing and Network Services Unix Team - Senior Unix

Re: ProFTPD ASCII File Remote Compromise Vulnerability

2003-09-24 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:26:14PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 02:45:24PM -0500, Bender, Jeff wrote: Hi, Looking for the Debian Woody patch. Anyone know if it is available or if this version is exploitable? According to the maintainer, the version in woody is

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 13:04:20 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have strange result on two our debian servers - both are woody. The first one (A) has kerenel 2.4.19, the other one (B) - 2.4.22. The A server is almost daily checked against new packages, the B server was upgraded yesterday.

Re: MS BS + Sorting out the virii

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Ritter
Am Mittwoch, 24. September 2003 02:34 schrieb Tomasz Papszun: Sorry but I must say that this is an incorrect claim. okay, not exclusively Currently ClamAV's own database is quite big and is updated even a couple of times a day if needed. It's quite good at new viruses caught in the wild,

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread Manfred Schmitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:46:44PM +0200, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: And /etc/apt/preferences? Sounds like they're using different pinning settings. serverA:~# cat /etc/apt/preferences cat: /etc/apt/preferences: No such file or directory The same on server

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Ryan Underwood
Hi, On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:42:01PM -0700, Adam Lydick wrote: Is there any effort to reduce the number of services running on a default debian install? For example: a typical workstation user doesn't really need to have inetd enabled, nor portmap (unless they are running fam or nfs --

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:04:20PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ii ssh3.4p1-2Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH) This version of ssh is neither directly from woody (which still has 3.4p1-1) nor from security.debian.org (which has 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3, and

Re: The same debian - different packages

2003-09-24 Thread Angus D Madden
Yogesh Sharma, Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:14:52AM -0700: As far as my understanding goes, ssh was patched recently for security fixes, so it should be coming from security.debian.org not us.debian.org. Now security.debian.org is not at all mirrored for security reason than how he has 2

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:59:16PM -0500, Ryan Underwood wrote: Is there any effort to reduce the number of services running on a default debian install? For example: a typical workstation user doesn't really need to have inetd enabled, nor portmap (unless they are running fam or nfs --

Re: Newest OpenSSH advisory

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 12:12:54PM +0300, Riku Anttila wrote: According to http://www.openssh.com/txt/sshpam.adv there are multiple vulnerabilities in the new PAM code of Portable OpenSSH. It sounds as if it's limited to versions 3.7p1 and3.7.1p1, but I thought I'd ask if anyone knows for

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Dale Amon
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 03:59:28PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: For starters, I think portmap, rpc.statd, and inetd should not run by default. Not running a mail server (or perhaps only running one on the loopback interface) would be nice, too. It can be damnably difficult to dump the web

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Florian Weimer
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:42:01PM -0700, Adam Lydick wrote: Is there any effort to reduce the number of services running on a default debian install? For example: a typical workstation user doesn't really need to have inetd enabled, nor portmap (unless they are running fam or nfs -- which

Re: FTP in general (Re: Watch out! vsftpd anonymous access always enabled!)

2003-09-24 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: I _do_ love lftp, and will have to mention it in the referenced document. (Thanks.) It certainly is fast and easy (as is wget), but reliable is somewhat precluded by the http protocol itself. (Admittedly, this is being picky, and wget -c fixes many

Re: Watch out! vsftpd anonymous access always enabled!

2003-09-24 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Why do you think there's anything wrong with ftp? FTP is a firewal nightmare, it is unsecure (plaintext), the more advanced features are not standadized. Even parsing the directory output is terror to the programmer. Greetings Bernd -- eckes privat -

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Steve Wray
For what its worth, and without wanting a distro-religious war about it, Mandrake has a variety of security levels, which can be locally configured, and which can allow exactly this sort of behavior; At high security levels, any new services that get installed (from RPMs) are only allowed from

Re: MS BS

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Horsten
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Ted Roby wrote: My secalert account for these lists is being drenched with 40 to 70 of these fake Microsoft Update emails per day. My filters on my client dump them to a Junk folder, but I would prefer it if my Exim filter would do the job at the server level instead. I

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:12:28AM +1200, Steve Wray wrote: For what its worth, and without wanting a distro-religious war about it, Mandrake has a variety of security levels, which can be locally configured, and which can allow exactly this sort of behavior; Honestly, I think we can get away

Re: FTP in general (Re: Watch out! vsftpd anonymous access always enabled!)

2003-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 04:37:30PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: I should have defined my terms: When I said ftp transfers are more reliable than are ftp ones (in my experience), I meant that, once Thank you for clearing that up. Mike Stone

Re: MS BS

2003-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:14:43PM +0100, Thomas Horsten wrote: guess they are out there. Anyway, if you are truly security conscious you should consider switching to qmail in any case. Not. Postfix is just as good, but without an obnoxious license. Mike Stone

Re: OpenSSH in Woody

2003-09-24 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: and what's about ssh/potato ? I don't see any thing about a new upgrade foir ssh in potato ? Potato is not anymore supported by debian security team, as you can read in the faq. t is unfortunate, I still have some systems running.. well.. thanks god no

Re: MS BS

2003-09-24 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: I am looking for a same solution. However, I am getting 40 to 70 of such mails within 2 hours. There should be a possibility with exim-4.1, but nothing for exim-3.X i am using clamscan with exiscan on exim-3 and it works well, beside the fact that it

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:01:26PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Until installing a package has the side effect of installing a network service. Having a default-deny-incoming firewall or some such would go a long way toward preventing accidental vulnerability exposure. Well, remember that the

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:39:32PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: Well, remember that the scope of this discussion is the default Debian installation. Except, what is default? If you install a workstation task should you assume that you'll get open ports? (As the task packages pull in

Re: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:52:07PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Except, what is default? If you install a workstation task should you assume that you'll get open ports? (As the task packages pull in dependencies, etc.) I think it makes more sense to provide a safety net then to try to predict

RE: services installed and running out of the box

2003-09-24 Thread Jones, Steven
There is a debian security manual I believe. I agree with you, leaving services running by default in this day and age is really a no no. regards Steven -Original Message- From: Adam Lydick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:42 PM To:

Versign has hijacked www.xmms.org

2003-09-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello All, I was surfing the Website http://www.xmms.org/ for new skins and at one klick... ...xmms was hijacked !!! No access on xmms posibel. Can anyone confirm this please... Please Cc: me. Three other .org Domains (my own) are hijacked this afternoon too. Thanks Michelle -- Registered

Re: Versign has hijacked www.xmms.org

2003-09-24 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 02:08:29AM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: I was surfing the Website http://www.xmms.org/ for new skins and at one klick... ...xmms was hijacked !!! No access on xmms posibel. Can anyone confirm this please... Please Cc: me. Nope. Worked just fine for me. I