Re: Help ! No syslog anymore

2023-11-11 Thread Bhasker C V
Hi, I have tried removing PrivateTmp=no in the rsyslog service file and it still doesnt work I have removed the service file which I had created too. I found that when I run the daemon manually, it works well. Hence I have disabled rsyslog and I have put the daemon startup in my rc-local But

Debian GNU/Linux Books

2023-11-11 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
All, I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there is very little selection. I am considering writing an updated Debian GNU/Linux Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing it I was wondering if anyone would even be interested in buying a copy of it? Thanks

[SOLVED] Uninstalling unwanted PHP and mariadb packages [WAS Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?]

2023-11-11 Thread Susmita/Rajib
For all the debian-users who might fall into the same ditch into which I had fallen, to alert them ... I thank Mr. Cater for his advice at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00443.html. I raed his advice and understood that while uninstalling I should follow a path chronologically

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I have always liked ATX tower cases with lots of drive bays, both internal > and external. Over time, more products have become available with good > cooling and low noise. I have not found a major computer manufacturer who > makes servers with all of those features, so I build my own: > > *

Re: PATH question

2023-11-11 Thread Timothy Butterworth
On November 11, 2023, at 11:16 PM, David wrote: >On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 18:42, Thomas George wrote: >> I downloaded the google-chrome deb file to /opt/ Why did you put the chrome.deb in /opt? You found have just kept it in your downloads folder. When you use apt to install the chrome.deb

Uninstalling unwanted PHP and mariadb packages [WAS Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?]

2023-11-11 Thread Susmita/Rajib
From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:39:01 + Message-id: <[] zu-ujrqewxkor...@einval.com> In-reply-to: <[] CAEG4cZXquvxryjdFLCgHBiteyx8mFm=e+kjcusxnhhj0+zp...@mail.gmail.com>, https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00415.html On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 07:42,

Re: PATH question

2023-11-11 Thread Timothy Butterworth
On November 11, 2023, at 8:51 PM, Thomas George wrote: >I downloaded the google-chrome deb file to /opt/ >used dpkg to install the program. Use sudo apt install ./filename.deb you may need to run sudo apt update first. > >initial attempt failed, two lib files missing. >added the sbin

Re: Part II BIN=? AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)?

2023-11-11 Thread Pocket
On 11/11/23 18:19, Timothy Butterworth wrote: On November 11, 2023, at 5:54 PM, Pocket wrote: > > >On 11/11/23 17:42, Timothy Butterworth wrote: > >On November 11, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > >> >> >>dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/dvd.bin bs=1M >> >>Good afternoon >> >>This did

Re: PATH question

2023-11-11 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-11-11 at 19:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:17:09PM +, David wrote: > >> Looking for an authoritative source of information to show you, >> I found only this: >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement#Installing_and_removing_packages >> which says:

Re: PATH question

2023-11-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:17:09PM +, David wrote: > Looking for an authoritative source of information to show you, > I found only this: > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement#Installing_and_removing_packages > which says: > You can also install a .deb file with: > # apt

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread David Christensen
On 11/11/23 08:52, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 10:22:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: On 11/10/23 19:46, David Christensen wrote: On 11/8/23 02:20, gene heskett wrote: And I just looked at tht pair, and acc gparted they have both been pvcreated, so I'll leave then alone

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Dan Ritter
Jeffrey Walton wrote: > >From what I've read when comparing OpenMediaVault vs TrueNAS, it > usually comes down to the power consumption of the mini computer/mini > pc. 5W can save you $100 USD per year. Probably more now due to > inflation. 5W * 24h/D * 30 D/M * 12M/Y = 43200 Wh, or 43.2KWh per

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 6:20 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > >From what I've read when comparing OpenMediaVault vs TrueNAS, it > > usually comes down to the power consumption of the mini computer/mini > > pc. 5W can save you $100 USD per year. Probably more now due to > >

Re: Part II BIN=? AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)?

2023-11-11 Thread Timothy Butterworth
On November 11, 2023, at 5:54 PM, Pocket wrote: > > >On 11/11/23 17:42, Timothy Butterworth wrote: > >On November 11, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > >> >> >>dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/dvd.bin bs=1M >> >>Good afternoon >> >>This did work >> >>Thank You. >> >>But now the bin. >> >>I

Re: Part II BIN=? AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)?

2023-11-11 Thread Pocket
On 11/11/23 17:42, Timothy Butterworth wrote: On November 11, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > > >dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/dvd.bin bs=1M > >Good afternoon > >This did work > >Thank You. > >But now the bin. > >I did > >chmod +x dvd.bin > >./dvd.bin > >This did not work. Are you

Re: Part II BIN=? AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)?

2023-11-11 Thread Timothy Butterworth
On November 11, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > > >dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/dvd.bin bs=1M > >Good afternoon > >This did work > >Thank You. > >But now the bin. > >I did > >chmod +x dvd.bin > >./dvd.bin > >This did not work. Are you trying to copy a DVD movie? If so you should try

Re: PATH question

2023-11-11 Thread David
On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 18:42, Thomas George wrote: > I downloaded the google-chrome deb file to /opt/ > > used dpkg to install the program. > > initial attempt failed, two lib files missing. > > added the sbin entries to path and tried again Hi, the 'apt install' command does have the

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread gene heskett
On 11/11/23 15:41, Pocket wrote: On 11/11/23 13:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: I have used ssd drives connected to a RPI4 ever since the 4 came out, zero issues. The RPI4's boot from the ssd drives. I have 4 SSD drives connected to a single RPI4 currently, using a powered USB hub. Hmm...  so

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 1:48 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > I have used ssd drives connected to a RPI4 ever since the 4 came out, > > zero issues. > > The RPI4's boot from the ssd drives. > > I have 4 SSD drives connected to a single RPI4 currently, using a powered > > USB hub. > > Hmm... so

Re: limit on attachment in mail to list

2023-11-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 08:16:20PM +, Gareth Evans wrote: > > > On 9 Nov 2023, at 13:47, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > > > > > > 220 bendel.debian.org ESMTP Postfix > > > ehlo penguin > > > 250-bendel.debian.org > > > 250-PIPELINING > > > 250-SIZE 3072 > > > 250-STARTTLS > > >

Re: Part II BIN=? AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)?

2023-11-11 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-11-11, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Your provider, hotmail hates me. Why? Because you must reply to the list and to the list only. Else you generate a duplicate (= same message-id).

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Pocket
On 11/11/23 13:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: I have used ssd drives connected to a RPI4 ever since the 4 came out, zero issues. The RPI4's boot from the ssd drives. I have 4 SSD drives connected to a single RPI4 currently, using a powered USB hub. Hmm... so maybe the USB connection is not

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread hamster
Le 11/11/2023 à 21:32, hamster a écrit : Le 11/11/2023 à 11:39, Michel Verdier a écrit : Le 11 novembre 2023 Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son portable (sous Mint) une appli de chat : on a bien trouvé un tuto pour installer Signal

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread hamster
Le 11/11/2023 à 11:39, Michel Verdier a écrit : Le 11 novembre 2023 Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son portable (sous Mint) une appli de chat : on a bien trouvé un tuto pour installer Signal mais je n'ai pas réussi l'installation.

Re: limit on attachment in mail to list

2023-11-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 08:16:20PM +, Gareth Evans wrote: > > On 9 Nov 2023, at 13:47, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > > > > 220 bendel.debian.org ESMTP Postfix > > ehlo penguin > > 250-bendel.debian.org > > 250-PIPELINING > > 250-SIZE 3072 > > 250-STARTTLS > > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > >

Re: limit on attachment in mail to list

2023-11-11 Thread Gareth Evans
> On 9 Nov 2023, at 13:47, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > > [...] > > 220 bendel.debian.org ESMTP Postfix > ehlo penguin > 250-bendel.debian.org > 250-PIPELINING > 250-SIZE 3072 > 250-STARTTLS > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > 250-8BITMIME > 250 CHUNKING > quit > 221 2.0.0 Bye > Hi Byung-Hee,

Re: Part II BIN=? AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)?

2023-11-11 Thread tomas
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 02:05:19PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/dvd.bin bs=1M > > Good afternoon > This did work > Thank You. > > But now the bin. > > I did > > chmod +x dvd.bin > > ./dvd.bin dvd.bin is a CDROM image. You cannot execute a CDROM image. You can

Re: dmesg failed

2023-11-11 Thread ajh-valmer
On Monday 06 November 2023 21:25:44 Étienne Mollier wrote: > Le message en soi suggère que la machine a eu un peu de mal à > mettre en route le stockage raccordé sur la ligne ATA 2.01. En > copiant et collant l'erreur dans un moteur de recherche, je suis > tombé sur une vieille entrée dans le

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I have used ssd drives connected to a RPI4 ever since the 4 came out, > zero issues. > The RPI4's boot from the ssd drives. > I have 4 SSD drives connected to a single RPI4 currently, using a powered > USB hub. Hmm... so maybe the USB connection is not directly relevant either and the real

Re: PATH question

2023-11-11 Thread Thomas George
I downloaded the google-chrome deb file to /opt/ used dpkg to install the program. initial attempt failed, two lib files missing. added the sbin entries to path and tried again missing files found on the dvd installation disk and google-chrome successfully installed On 11/11/23 13:22, Greg

Re: PATH question

2023-11-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 01:03:45PM -0500, Thomas George wrote: > In a newly installed bookworm I edited PATH to > /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin What, exactly, did you edit? > in order to > install google-chrome. Now that makes no sense... unless you ran into the

PATH question

2023-11-11 Thread Thomas George
In a newly installed bookworm I edited PATH to /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin in order to install google-chrome.  This worked but the installed PATH had  two other entries, something about games? I failed to save and did not take note of all the installed PATH

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Pocket
On 11/11/23 12:05, Stefan Monnier wrote: Are these 2TB SSDs or hard disks? I would counsel very strongly indeed against using any ARM-based single board computer as a RAID device on USB connections - they're just *not* up to it. I don't think the issue is whether they're ARM based. The issue

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread fxkl47BF
just my two sense not advice or promotion i've used this device for about 2.5 years with 6tb harddrives in raid 1 i have partitions on the raid for the os, debian, and the rest for backups no problems so far https://ameridroid.com/products/odroid-hc4

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Are these 2TB SSDs or hard disks? I would counsel very strongly indeed > against using any ARM-based single board computer as a RAID device on > USB connections - they're just *not* up to it. I don't think the issue is whether they're ARM based. The issue is simply how you connect the disks:

Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 10:22:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 11/10/23 19:46, David Christensen wrote: > > On 11/8/23 02:20, gene heskett wrote: > > > And I just looked at tht pair, and acc gparted they have both been > > > pvcreated, so I'll leave then alone and steal the dvd cable, puttin >

Uninstalling unwanted PHP and mariadb packages [WAS Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?]

2023-11-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 05:44:29PM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > Apologise for the typos and incorrect sentence constructions in my > earlier post. But I am sure that Mr. would be able to bypass the > errors to extract the information intended for him. > > My synaptic has a Log file for the

Re: systemd service oddness with openvpn

2023-11-11 Thread Kamil Jońca
Richard Hector writes: > Hi all, > > I have a machine that runs as an openvpn server. It works fine; the > VPN stays up. Are you sure? Have you client conneted and so on? > > However, after running for a while, I get these repeatedly in syslog: > > Nov 07 12:17:24 ovpn2 openvpn[213741]:

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers
> Tu peux lire le contenu d’un code QR avec zbarimg puis aller sur la > page ouèbe qui va bien. > > nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial > -- ah ok super merci ! -- Cordialement Jean-Louis Giraud-Desrondiers

Re : [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread nicolas . patrois
On 11/11/2023 13:44:03, Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers wrote: > OK merci pour toutes ces réponses rapides. J'ai déjà installé Telegram > mais pour la config du compte il y avait un flash code donc on a > laissé tomber. Tu peux lire le contenu d’un code QR avec zbarimg puis aller sur la page

Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?

2023-11-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 09:51:41PM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > Dear illustrious leaders and the senior members, Debian-user ML, Did you want any assistance from people who aren't illustrious leaders and senior members? Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Part II BIN=? AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)?

2023-11-11 Thread Schwibinger Michael
dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/dvd.bin bs=1M Good afternoon This did work Thank You. But now the bin. I did chmod +x dvd.bin ./dvd.bin This did not work. Step 1 think ok no bug report Step 2: ./dvd.bin: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected Regards Sophie Von: jeremy

Re: Problema con el sonido [SOLUCIONADO]

2023-11-11 Thread JavierDebian
El 5/9/23 a las 16:21, JavierDebian escribió: El 5/9/23 a las 13:42, Imeneo Tirinto escribió: Hola. Desde hace unos días los altavoces de mi ordenador dejaron de emitir sonidos. Sólo puedo escuchar algo (vídeos, música...) si conecto los cascos a través de minijack, por lo que deduzco que

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers
OK merci pour toutes ces réponses rapides. J'ai déjà installé Telegram mais pour la config du compte il y avait un flash code donc on a laissé tomber. Jami nous tente assez mais avant on va tenter la manip indiquée ci-dessous. bonne journée -- Cordialement Jean-Louis Giraud-Desrondiers On

Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?

2023-11-11 Thread Susmita/Rajib
Apologise for the typos and incorrect sentence constructions in my earlier post. But I am sure that Mr. would be able to bypass the errors to extract the information intended for him. My synaptic has a Log file for the installed packages yesterday: Commit Log for Fri Nov 10 21:04:10 2023

Re: systemd service oddness with openvpn

2023-11-11 Thread Richard Hector
On 7/11/23 12:41, Richard Hector wrote: Hi all, I have a machine that runs as an openvpn server. It works fine; the VPN stays up. However, after running for a while, I get these repeatedly in syslog: I don't know if anyone's watching, but ... It appears that this happens when logrotate

Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?

2023-11-11 Thread Susmita/Rajib
Two messages from debian-user-howorth-org-uk (1) From: debian-u...@howorth.org.uk Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 11:10:22 + Message-id: <[] 2023111022.58bb3...@acer-suse.lan> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 17:09, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > > Marco wrote: > > Am 11.11.2023 06:58 schrieb Susmita/Rajib: > >

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread Jean-Marc
salut Jean-Louis, Le 11/11/23 à 10:53, Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : bonjour , J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son portable (sous Mint) une appli de chat : on a bien trouvé un tuto pour installer Signal mais je n'ai pas réussi l'installation. Donc nous essayons de

Re: Délai de 25 secondes

2023-11-11 Thread NoSpam
Bonjour Le 10/11/2023 à 22:19, Jose CHARTERS a écrit : Le 10/11/2023 à 08:43, Seb a écrit : Il y a 6 mois (Debian 11), je n'avais aucun problème de ce type. Il y a 3 mois (Debian 11), j'ai remarqué ce souci avec un Firefox que je venais de mettre à jour. Aujourd'hui (Debian 12), j'ai le

Re: it would be nice is Debian live includes the Wazuh unified XDR and SIEM protection framework ...

2023-11-11 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 11 Nov 2023 09:35 +, from lbrt...@gmail.com (Albretch Mueller): > On 11/11/23, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> In which case you aren't the customer, but the cattle. > > Once we go into exposed mode (go online), we tacitly become all > cattle, don't we? Believe it or not, but there actually

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread NoSpam
Bonjour Le 11/11/2023 à 10:53, Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : bonjour , J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son portable (sous Mint) une appli de chat : on a bien trouvé un tuto pour installer Signal mais je n'ai pas réussi l'installation. cat

Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?

2023-11-11 Thread debian-user
Marco wrote: > Am 11.11.2023 06:58 schrieb Susmita/Rajib: > > > mysqli > > > > MysqlI Support => enabled > > Client API library version => mysqlnd 7.4.33 > > Active Persistent Links => 0 > > Inactive Persistent Links => 0 > > Active Links => 0 > > Can you now try to create your own php

Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?

2023-11-11 Thread debian-user
"Susmita/Rajib" wrote: > Dear illustrious leaders and the senior members, Debian-user ML, > > I liked the following two papers of Prof. Shri C K Raju: > ajol-file-journals_601_articles_221195_submission_proof_221195-7072-545591-1-10-20220325.pdf >

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread Bureau LxVx
Un petit rajout pour trouver des supers soluces libres : wikilibriste.fr Existe aussi sur telegram :-D Le 11/11/2023 à 11:39, Michel Verdier a écrit : Le 11 novembre 2023 Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son portable (sous Mint)

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread Bureau LxVx
Vous pouvez aussi aller voir chez Infomaniak, moins "bling-bling" que Discord (moins sécurisé) : https://kmeet.infomaniak.com/ Le 11/11/2023 à 11:39, Michel Verdier a écrit : Le 11 novembre 2023 Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread Michel Verdier
Le 11 novembre 2023 Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : > J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son portable (sous > Mint) une appli de chat : on a bien trouvé un tuto pour installer > Signal mais je n'ai pas réussi l'installation. Donc nous essayons de > trouver une appli de

Re: [HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread Bureau LxVx
Bonjour, Votre amie cherche chat ou visio ? Bien librement, Sylvie Le 11/11/2023 à 10:53, Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers a écrit : bonjour , J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son portable (sous Mint) une appli de chat : on a bien trouvé un tuto pour installer Signal mais je

Re: How could the missing MySQL extension required by WordPress be installed?

2023-11-11 Thread Susmita/Rajib
From: Marco Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:37:12 +0100 Message-id: <[] 2023083712.6badf0b7@x40> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 15:31, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > > Am 11.11.2023 06:58 schrieb Susmita/Rajib: > > > mysqli > > > > MysqlI Support => enabled > > Client API library version => mysqlnd 7.4.33 > >

[HS] alternative à Signal sous Debian et SANS smartphone

2023-11-11 Thread Jean Louis Giraud Desrondiers
bonjour , J'essaie d'aider une amie qui souhaite installer sur son portable (sous Mint) une appli de chat : on a bien trouvé un tuto pour installer Signal mais je n'ai pas réussi l'installation. Donc nous essayons de trouver une appli de chat sous Debian mais qui doit aussi fonctionner sous

Re: it would be nice is Debian live includes the Wazuh unified XDR and SIEM protection framework ...

2023-11-11 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 11/11/23, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > In which case you aren't the customer, but the cattle. Once we go into exposed mode (go online), we tacitly become all cattle, don't we? What I am talking about is being more of an unleashed cattle, a leashed one that is aware. On 11/11/23, Marco wrote:

Re: limit on attachment in mail to list

2023-11-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 19:01:57 -0600 Nicholas Geovanis wrote: Hello Nicholas, > >Or maybe they are used to the more recently-devised file sharing >services which let you exchange zillions of much larger files than this >list allows, but every hour. On any given day I might listen to several