Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-25 Thread Veljko
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:42:18AM +0200, Veljko wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:24:42PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 08:59:05AM +0200, Veljko wrote: Do you guys have any advice for this? Should I first run dd on those drives. They are part of RAID, so it

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
Veljko wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:42:18AM +0200, Veljko wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:24:42PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 08:59:05AM +0200, Veljko wrote: Do you guys have any advice for this? Should I first run dd on those drives. They are part of RAID, so

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-25 Thread Veljko
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 08:51:22AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Can't speak for the Seagates, but the WD Red series does seem optimized for RAID (google TLER for background). It makes a huge difference when you near end-of-life for the drives. Thanks Miles, I'll probably go with WD Red.

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 23 Oct 2013, at 00:52, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: rdiff-backup is buggy (at least, it has at least one serious reported bug, known for years but not even acknowledged by upstream), untouched for years and apparently abandoned:

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-23 Thread Veljko
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:24:42PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 08:59:05AM +0200, Veljko wrote: Do you guys have any advice for this? Should I first run dd on those drives. They are part of RAID, so it should be difficult to read data from one drive alone, but what is

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-23 Thread Veljko
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:01:07PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: is rsnapshot doing something different to usual: have you got a lot more files in your backup? is it now having to delete old snapshots, whereas before it hadn't hit some critical threshold? I found it to scale very poorly when

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-23 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:45:49 +0100 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 00:52, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: rdiff-backup is buggy (at least, it has at least one serious reported bug, known for years but not even acknowledged by upstream), untouched for years

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-22 Thread Veljko
Veljko wrote: I'll try with their live CD on Monday when I get back to office. I'll also try with replacing SATA cables, just to be sure that they are not faulty and responsible for performance degradation. I run SeaTools and it turns out that only sdc drive passed the test. All other drives

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-22 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 08:59:05AM +0200, Veljko wrote: Do you guys have any advice for this? Should I first run dd on those drives. They are part of RAID, so it should be difficult to read data from one drive alone, but what is the best way to be sure? And obviously, I'll have to return more

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
is rsnapshot doing something different to usual: have you got a lot more files in your backup? is it now having to delete old snapshots, whereas before it hadn't hit some critical threshold? I found it to scale very poorly when I was using it. rdiff-backup is almost a drop-in replacement and

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-22 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:01:07 +0100 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: is rsnapshot doing something different to usual: have you got a lot more files in your backup? is it now having to delete old snapshots, whereas before it hadn't hit some critical threshold? I found it to scale very

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 19:52 -0400, Celejar wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg00182.html At least it's better to backup more files than wanted, as to miss files that are needed :D. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-22 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 02:40:27 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 19:52 -0400, Celejar wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg00182.html At least it's better to backup more files than wanted, as to miss files that are needed :D. Fair

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-19 Thread Veljko
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 12:40:49PM -0400, mfidelman wrote: I'm using Seagate ST3000DM001-9YN166 drives, not enterprise-class drives. Ok... seagate probably writes error codes in that field. Try googling the model number and smart, or raw_read_error. That might help you track things down.

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-19 Thread Veljko
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 07:31:55PM +0200, Andre Majorel wrote: I've found, at least for the WD drives I use in my servers - anything other than a 0 raw-read-error count is a sign of near-term disk failure. This is highly manufacturer dependent. In my experience, with Seagate drives, it's

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-19 Thread Veljko
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 06:50:11PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Gregory Nowak wrote: According to the above, I would say only sda and sdb are bad, sda being the worst of the two. I stand to be corrected as always. Yeah - that's what it looks like to me as well (having gotten back to a

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Veljko wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 06:50:11PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Gregory Nowak wrote: According to the above, I would say only sda and sdb are bad, sda being the worst of the two. I stand to be corrected as always. Yeah - that's what it looks like to me as well (having gotten

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-19 Thread Klaus
On 19/10/13 11:36, Veljko wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 07:31:55PM +0200, Andre Majorel wrote: This is highly manufacturer dependent. In my experience, with Seagate drives, it's normal to have Raw_Read_Error_Rate in the tens or hundreds of millions. Thanks for pointing this out. It does

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-18 Thread Miles Fidelman
Veljko wrote: Hello, I have 4 HDDs in software RAID10 for my backup server. I had help on this list when I started to configure it and everything was working great for a year. Last few days I noticed some load issues. During backup rotation of rsnapshot load would go very high. I watched iotop

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-18 Thread Veljko
Hello Miles, On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:43:59AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Do a smartctl -A /dev/sd[abcd] - look for non-zero raw read errors and reallocated sector counts. I've found, at least for the WD drives I use in my servers - anything other than a 0 raw-read-error count is a sign

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-18 Thread mfidelman
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Veljko velj...@gmail.com Date: 10/18/2013 12:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Dying hard drive? Hello Miles, On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:43:59AM -0400, Miles Fidelman

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-18 Thread Andre Majorel
On 2013-10-18 11:43 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Do a smartctl -A /dev/sd[abcd] - look for non-zero raw read errors and reallocated sector counts. And Current_Pending_Sector ! I've found, at least for the WD drives I use in my servers - anything other than a 0 raw-read-error count is a sign

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-18 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 06:26:38PM +0200, Veljko wrote: IIUIC, this is output I should be looking: sda: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 095 094 006Pre-fail Always -

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-18 Thread Miles Fidelman
Gregory Nowak wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 06:26:38PM +0200, Veljko wrote: IIUIC, this is output I should be looking: sda: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 095 094 006Pre-fail

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-12-02 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:04:52PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: Have a look at the /etc/inittab file. I have: # less /etc/inittab [...] # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now I'm fairly sure that X eats CTRL-ALT-DEL and init doesn't

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-12-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 02 dec 12, 09:33:28, Jon Dowland wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:04:52PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: Have a look at the /etc/inittab file. I have: # less /etc/inittab [...] # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now I'm

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-12-01 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 12/1/12, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 01:38:33PM -0600, Nelson Green wrote: with XScreenSaver. Under the old system I could hit Ctrl+Del+Alt and that would invoke the screensaver and lock the screen. That functionality is missing now. get the

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-12-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:53:30PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Does Main Menu - Settings - Keyboard - Application Shortcuts not work for Ctrl-Alt-Del? No. Not everyone has Main Menu - Settings - etc. but everyone has an /etc/inittab file. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will

RE: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-30 Thread Nelson Green
I do appreciate the help, but we'll let Dell take care of this. Just wanted to update anyone that might be interested. I was able to convince Dell that the hard drive was bad after jumping through their hoops (in their defence, I understand their position of not wanting to spend money on

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-30 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 01:38:33PM -0600, Nelson Green wrote: with XScreenSaver. Under the old system I could hit Ctrl+Del+Alt and that would invoke the screensaver and lock the screen. That functionality is missing now. Ctrl+Alt+Del is supposed to be the three finger salute! :) get the same

RE: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-28 Thread Nelson Green
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 00:24:13 +0100 From: pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Dying hard drive? Jon Dowland a écrit : On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:50:39PM -0600, Nelson Green wrote: 197 Current_Pending_Sector

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
First and foremost, double check that your SATA cables are properly secure. Install smartctl and run smartctl -a /dev/$disk0 (where $disk0 is e.g. sda); check to see if any of the various SMART attributes indicate a problem. Run a short, then a long SMART self test smartctl -t short

RE: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Nelson Green
First and foremost, double check that your SATA cables are properly secure. Yes, they are firmly seated. Good catch though. Install smartctl This is part of the smartmontools package. Took me a sec to find it, and I mention it for anyone else following this. and run smartctl -a /dev/$disk0

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Hello, Nelson Green a écrit : and run smartctl -a /dev/$disk0 (where $disk0 is e.g. sda); check to see if any of the various SMART attributes indicate a problem. Run a short, then a long SMART self test smartctl -t short /dev/$disk0 smartctl -t long /dev/$disk0 [...] I did the short

RE: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Nelson Green
Hello, Nelson Green a écrit : and run smartctl -a /dev/$disk0 (where $disk0 is e.g. sda); check to see if any of the various SMART attributes indicate a problem. Run a short, then a long SMART self test smartctl -t short /dev/$disk0 smartctl -t long /dev/$disk0 [...] I did

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:50:39PM -0600, Nelson Green wrote: 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always   -   12 I think this is bad. Num  Test_Description    Status  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error # 1  Short offline   

RE: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Nelson Green
I think this is bad. Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 2718 529598095 # 2 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 2718

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Jon Dowland a écrit : On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:50:39PM -0600, Nelson Green wrote: 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000Old_age Always - 12 I think this is bad. Yes, but that can often be corrected using the embedded reallocation mechanism. By corrected I